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2 hours ago, Jim Hargrove said:

As a complete guess, I’d speculate it was something strongly suggesting Marina had Soviet intel ties, something that needed to be suppressed to kill the Cuba/USSR connection to the assassination that Phillips and others had worked so hard to establish, and that some people are STILL TRYING TO PUSH TODAY!

Additionally, there is the connection to the Paines.

People tend to forget that in 1963 written communication was almost strictly snail mail and telegram. It's pretty clear there was an FBI mail intercept going on post assassination and that's why this event caused so much consternation. What was the volume of mail like that was sent to Marina and Ruth after their exposure on TV post assassination? I would guess it was incredible.

I wonder if Neunson also had a connection to the Paines or the Society of Friends?

When I first learned of Marina's association with Webster, the red flags were raised (excuse the pun), now we have Edward Neunson and his "New Jerseyite" Dad?

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James,

A few years back I established a connection between the Society of Friends, Dallas Chapter and the New Orleans Chapter. The Dallas Chapter has an annual award given in the name of H. Warner Kloepfer. The Dallas Chapter's website even had the news releases of that year's winner. In the FBI 302's Kloepfer's wife is identified as the Secretary of the New Orleans Society of Friends Chapter. It doesn't note that Warner, himself, was also the Secretary of the New Orleans chapter for many years. The other funny thing was, I had found a newspaper article about the Kloepfers and I noted that his wife's father was a Methodist Minister with a congregation. I doubt very much Kloepfer's wife was a Quaker and therefore I think the FBI 302 is probably wrong. Where does that leave the Paine story of how she met Lee Harvey Oswald?

It might also explain Kloepfers entry in Oswald's address book.

I've long suspected an East-Coast-Elite/Society-of-Friends/USIA/USIS/Intelligence connection. It would seem to be a perfect exploit.

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Posted 1/30/11 on this forum by Robert Howard:

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Walter Carl Neuson, aka Walter Carl Neunson.

I chanced upon his name while working on an index of Warren Commission documents, in this case CD 1516

http://www.maryferre...911&relPageId=4

As you can see the Warren Commission Document title spells his name Neuson, but when you read the actual document, it is spelled Neunson; obviously that in itself, doesen't have significance, but it does if there is an underlying area that is being muted. Adding to the strange atmosphere of all of this is the fact that an HSCA Administrative

File has the following passage

ADMIN FOLDER-X6: HSCA ADMINISTRATIVE FOLDER, CIA REPORTS LHO pg 49

Found in: FBI - HSCA Administrative Folders

NOTE Classified "Secret as this refers-to-Project Hunter which is so classified by CIA Neunson an SI subject of Newark told Ruth Paine some time after the assassination that his son Edward met

RIF#: 124-10369-10063 (10/19/67) FBI#: 62-117290-ADMIN FOLDER-X6

http://www.maryferre...17&relPageId=49

The mary ferrell database has this entry

NEUNSON, WALTER CARL

Sources: CD 1516; CD 1546, pp. 220-249

Mary's Comments: He wrote letter to Ruth Paine 11/28/63 offering Marina Oswald a home in New Jersey; claimed his son, Edward, had met Marina; Marina remembered young man named Edward in Leningrad November 7 or 8, 1960.

I will forewarn anyone who has the inclination to dig into this obscurity, that the subject matter encompasses a wide swath of names and places, and there is the obvious reminder of a slip-up Marina made when she was interviewed at one time regarding her husband when she got a little confused and started reciting the history of Robert Edward Webster and the Rand Corporation, instead of Lee Harvey Oswald, who, as far as the historical record goes had never had one iota of association with the RAND corporation, at least not in official documents I am aware of.

But don't take my word for any of the latter, you can read it for yourself courtesy of John Armstrong.

See

Harvey and Lee pages 256-259

there you will find all sorts of interesting Marina tales, these I personally are part of the real Marina Oswald account of what was really going on in Mother Russia, that the Warren Commission, and the HSCA for that matter, was not too excited about jumping into.

more

Marina and Ambassador to Afghanistan

Christopher Bird -RAND Corporation

Robert Edward Webster

See

http://www.maryferre....do?docId=16791

There are a myriad of documents [62 actually] at NARA under the subject HUNTER REPORT

http://www.nara.gov/cgi-bin/starfinder/1609/jfksnew.txt

when searching NARA under "PROJECT HUNTER" there is only one hit

Posted 1/30/11 on this forum by Robert Howard:104-10438-10067 MEMO:PROJECT HUNTER REPORT #142

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=8261

......references Boris Waldemar Karapitnitzsky with aliases

with the subject line reading ERROR -- COULD NOT LOCATE SUBJECT TERM!

It would not be out of the question to wonder if ALL of the headings under Hunter Report originally read "PROJECT HUNTER"

It would be very helpful to getting to a clearer picture of what was really going on "Back in The U.S.S.R," is convincing Messr. Armstrong to publish an "English" interview of the Zieger's that was conducted by Ignacio Zuleta circa 1995....

And I say that with all due respect for John......Posted 1/30/11 on this forum by Robert Howard:

The time for erasing the speedbumps has arrived.

So far, I've had even less luck than Mr. Howard in finding out much about Project Hunter, but it MAY be the Hunter referenced in the FBI report(s) on Neunson, and I'd sure like to know what it was.

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5 hours ago, Jim Hargrove said:

...searching NARA under "PROJECT HUNTER" there is only one hit

I've found several entries for the "Hunter Project" on MF.

It looks like a sub-project to HTLINGUAL under JJA when he was DDP.

See the third Index Card down on this page:

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=22859&relPageId=37

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Jim,

Thanks. I knew that and had a brain f@rt - (blaming Trejo)

I had seen this and now I realize there may be a redaction that makes it look like JJA is signing as DDP (or he's simply signing "for' the DDP):

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=42891#relPageId=2&tab=page

(...and that's a Hunter Report too)

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1 hour ago, Chris Newton said:

Jim,

Thanks. I knew that and had a brain f@rt - (blaming Trejo)

I had seen this and now I realize there may be a redaction that makes it look like JJA is signing as DDP (or he's simply signing "for' the DDP):

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=42891#relPageId=2&tab=page

(...and that's a Hunter Report too)

The doc linked above has the subject line: Hunter Report # 10816; the previous doc referenced Hunter Project.  Assume they are related, eh?

Here's a reference to: Project Hunter Report  #142:

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=8261

The more I think about this, the more likely it seems to me that the FBI and the Agency's... uh... problem with the Neunsons may have had more to do with the Paines than with Marina.  For a multitude of reasons, both organizations would want to hide their potential intel affiliations.

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11 hours ago, Jim Hargrove said:

The doc linked above has the subject line: Hunter Report # 10816; the previous doc referenced Hunter Project.  Assume they are related, eh?

Hey Jim, I think they are related. I examined 670+ hits on MF for the search terms "HUNTER and REPORT"

Here's what I came up with so far:

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10062e#relPageId=123&tab=page

 

Hunter Report #            Date            sender         subject

 

1529                        28 AUG 59                          Neunson

2833                       06 JUL 60         JJA              ltr dated 22 Jun 60

4019                       28 MAR 61                           Greendlinger

8691                                                                    Greendlinger

9688                      13 JUN 63                              Greendlinger

10815                     26 NOV 63   JJA                 Marina O

10816                    26 NOV 63    JJA                  Ruby

11572                     03 APR 64   JJA                 Goldin

11864                     20 APR 64   JJA                  translation of ltr dated 22 AUG 58

25323                    (Jan 1971?)   FBI                 Greendlinger

 


Project Hunter Report

142     14 SEP 64                                            re HR #11572 data 3 APR 64 Solomon Goldin

308     23 SEP 64                                           Marina O.

428      24 SEP 64                                           Neunson  add’l microfilm hunter files

 

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Chris,

Geez, probably a small sampling, but it looks as if Angleton was all over this “Hunter” business.  Assuming it was related to mail intercepts (and even if it wasn’t), we can make some pretty informed speculation. . . .

Citing CIA file # OS-351-164, JA says Angleton was involved with both the Office of Security AND the Counterintellegence section, the two Agency departments that had kept the files on Lee HENRY Oswald since 1960.  JA goes on to write, “Following David Atlee Phillips' visit to Washington, DC during the first week of October, 1963, reports on Oswald were-routed to staff D in Miami, which meant that only Angleton’s group and David Phillips received the reports.” (H&L, p. 975)

If Angleton DID have photo(s) of Hoover and Tolson dancing in the tulips, he was in a position to have near total control of Federal coverage of “Lee Harvey Oswald” in the weeks prior to the assassination.  Funny how trusting these two organizations became that “Oswald” had been rehabilitated at this very time.  Newman called this “turning down the lights” on “Oswald.”


 

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Jim, I agree.

We can also speculate that the Hunter Reports started as early as 1958 (per #11864) and they were given consecutive report numbers. The reports numbers we have start at #1529 in 1959 and span up to #25323 in 1971.

Has anyone looked hard at HTLINGUAL to see if they were "opening everything" for 15 or more years (in and out of the Soviet Bloc).

 

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For better or worse, Federal agencies are nothing if not thorough, and I wouldn’t be surprised if just about everything covered by HTLINGUAL was opened.  Some of the docs seem to indicate a number of different agencies involved in the collection, hardly surprising, but  if the individual letters opened resulted in the production of some 24,000 reports over a mere dozen years or so, considering the ones that didn't warrant a report there most have been A WHOLE LOT of intercepts!  

MFF database has 128 pages of “HTLINGUAL Items Relating to the OSWALD Case” starting here:

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=55319#relPageId=1&tab=page

It all starts out featuring the Neunsons.  When time permits, I’m going to try and slog through more of this stuff.
 

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