Bob Ness Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 11 hours ago, Douglas Caddy said: Trump/Russia is Watergate on steroids. The future of our country and of Western Civilization is at stake. Mueller knows this and is proceeding accordingly. Lawyers recognize this if the general public does not. There's also a great many career civil servants who are aware of this calamity and I'm sure are doing their best to keep the boat afloat in spite of the cynisism we all often bring to the table. Yes it is "let's see how it shakes out" time but I for one wouldn't let Trump near my 401k much less trust his governing the good ol USA. Also keep in mind Mueller is not just racing around after Trump et al he's conducting an investigation on Russian election interference - something Trump and the Republican led Congress has done about as well as Helen Keller would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James DiEugenio Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 "The future of our country and of Western Civilization is at stake." Not even Bill Buckley could have outdone that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Ness Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 2 hours ago, James DiEugenio said: "The future of our country and of Western Civilization is at stake." Not even Bill Buckley could have outdone that one. Hahaha! Yeah, maybe overstated but I for one am tired of having to leave my home because of wild fires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James DiEugenio Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 The Ruskies started the Paradise fire! That one reminds me of General Ripper: "Mandrake, we cannot allow the communist conspiracy to contaminate our precious bodily fluids." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Varnell Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 2 hours ago, James DiEugenio said: The Ruskies started the Paradise fire! That one reminds me of General Ripper: "Mandrake, we cannot allow the communist conspiracy to contaminate our precious bodily fluids." That one reminds me of global warming and Trump's role in exacerbating it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Ness Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 8 hours ago, James DiEugenio said: The Ruskies started the Paradise fire! That one reminds me of General Ripper: "Mandrake, we cannot allow the communist conspiracy to contaminate our precious bodily fluids." 6 hours ago, Cliff Varnell said: That one reminds me of global warming and Trump's role in exacerbating it. Yeah! Tired of Trump's preversions... That's one Bat Guano for a Ripper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James DiEugenio Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 Nice work, interesting connections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James DiEugenio Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 BN: Yeah! Tired of Trump's preversions... That's one Bat Guano for a Ripper. LOL ROTF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Ness Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Robert Wheeler said: I found this forum a month or two ago to read up on General Charles Cabell. A few websites have claimed Charles and Earl were uncles of Robert Swan Mueller III (RSM3) They are not. They are distant relatives of his wife, Ann Cabell Standish Mueller. Although Charles & Earl are distantly related by marriage to RSM3, it turns out, RSM3 and Richard Bissell are first cousins once removed. (RSM3’s mother was Alice Truesdale. Alices Aunt was Marie Truesdale. Marie’s married Richard Bissell Sr.. Their son was Richard Bissell Jr.) Is any of this relevant to this forum, or this thread? I kind of think so. Mueller is not just some career Government Lawyer who through grit and hard work eventually became head of the FBI. He is as Eastern Establishment as the Dulles, or Bushes, or Forbes, or Bissells, or Cabells. A branch or two of RSM3’s extended family even intertwine with the Rockefeller’s. (The Standish Clans petroleum & coal barge companies in Pittsburgh were once part of Standard Oil.) RSM 1 & 2 are interesting in their own right. The grandfather (RSM1) seems to have run in the same St. Louis Society circles, circa WW1, as Herbert Walker. RSM2, landed a nice Job with DuPont after graduating from Princeton in 1938 and his WW2 service. From what can be gleaned so far, he brokered rare metals for Dupont’s nascient War & Post war nuclear projects. Uranium seems to be in the Mueller blood. First the father after WW2 and then the son only a few years ago as a Uranium One Bagman. RSM3 and his relatives travelled in some pretty elite family circles. It's quite the Rabbit hole once you dig a little and that’s all I’ve done. Any of this is only relevant to JFK if you think Oswald did not act alone. It becomes more relevant if you have some level of suspicion the CIA provided the operational expertise, but not necessarily the ultimate authority to act. Someone posted that the Mueller Investigation is like Watergate on Steroids. It is, but it is not Bob Woodward’s version of Watergate, it is the Len Colodny version. That's interesting for sure but it's hard for me to rope Mueller into anything more than what he appears to be. Any bio of me is much more suspicious: close association with famous "America First"figures. Grandfather operated super top-secret ONI radio intercept station and intercepted Pearl Harbor Japanese attack messages. Naval Intel liason to Chiang Kai Chek. Later became originating Naval legat to AFSA and NSA. Served with and followed Louis Tordella (longest serving Deputy Director of NSA) to Skaggs Island secret Soviet intercept and language school. Father was AF Inteligence etc etc etc. What I actually am is a forgetful old man who had to cheat to graduate High School with a D average. The poster you referred to was the Watergate burglers first attorney so he has some cred when it comes to comparing the two... BTW kudos for getting the thread back to forum relevance haha. Edited February 2, 2019 by Bob Ness kudos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Varnell Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 1 hour ago, Robert Wheeler said: I found this forum a month or two ago to read up on General Charles Cabell. A few websites have claimed Charles and Earl were uncles of Robert Swan Mueller III (RSM3) They are not. They are distant relatives of his wife, Ann Cabell Standish Mueller. Although Charles & Earl are distantly related by marriage to RSM3, it turns out, RSM3 and Richard Bissell are first cousins once removed. (RSM3’s mother was Alice Truesdale. Alices Aunt was Marie Truesdale. Marie’s married Richard Bissell Sr.. Their son was Richard Bissell Jr.) Is any of this relevant to this forum, or this thread? I kind of think so. Mueller is not just some career Government Lawyer who through grit and hard work eventually became head of the FBI. He is as Eastern Establishment as the Dulles, or Bushes, or Forbes, or Bissells, or Cabells. A branch or two of RSM3’s extended family even intertwine with the Rockefeller’s. (The Standish Clans petroleum & coal barge companies in Pittsburgh were once part of Standard Oil.) RSM 1 & 2 are interesting in their own right. The grandfather (RSM1) seems to have run in the same St. Louis Society circles, circa WW1, as Herbert Walker. RSM2, landed a nice Job with DuPont after graduating from Princeton in 1938 and his WW2 service. From what can be gleaned so far, he brokered rare metals for Dupont’s nascient War & Post war nuclear projects. Uranium seems to be in the Mueller blood. First the father after WW2 and then the son only a few years ago as a Uranium One Bagman. RSM3 and his relatives travelled in some pretty elite family circles. It's quite the Rabbit hole once you dig a little and that’s all I’ve done. Any of this is only relevant to JFK if you think Oswald did not act alone. It becomes more relevant if you have some level of suspicion the CIA provided the operational expertise, but not necessarily the ultimate authority to act. Someone posted that the Mueller Investigation is like Watergate on Steroids. It is, but it is not Bob Woodward’s version of Watergate, it is the Len Colodny version. Guilt by association much, Robert? First cousin once removed from Bissell and that convicts Mueller of being a life-long CIA man under law enforcement colors? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Gallaway Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 Right on Robert! I think the kicker for me is when we found out through DNA sampling that Dick Cheney and Obama were related! So then Obama appoints Hillary!!. All I can say is, they may think they're "deep" but you have to get up pretty early in the morning to fool us. Right Jim, Jeff? Then take it further and look how they're pulling the wool over everyone's eyes Mueller's trying to destroy a Republican President who has undying support of his party. So now the radical Democrats are taking over the Banking committee. That Alexandria Ocasio Cortez has actually said she wants to address "income inequality". They actually want to tax us at 70%! The Socialists are trying to take our money from us, Robert! You're right, that Mueller is one devious as-h-le! https://youtu.be/08vNYLgkkLo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James DiEugenio Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Subtlety is not Kirk's forte. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Gallaway Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 (edited) Well, subtlety certainly isn't Robert's forte either Jim. That's quite a voluminous eugenics tale Robert. And you're bringing in the Forbes and the Du Pont's so I assume it involves an East Coast Establishment financial conspiracy? If I got that right. It certainly seems like it's resulted in a miserable failure of a grand conspiracy theory. But maybe I should ask , what according to your theory, is the ultimate goal of Mueller, and why? Edited February 4, 2019 by Kirk Gallaway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bob Ness Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 8 hours ago, Robert Wheeler said: The East Coast Establishment Financial "conspiracy" is probably pretty mundane. Not a lot of black robes and incantations, just a function of who they knew. The East Coast Families sent their sons to Ivy League schools. When World War II broke out, the Ivy League types ended up in Military Intelligence Units (OSS, ONI, etc.) rather than being dispersed over the globe in Infantry units or submarines. The Ivy League types were highly educated, well traveled, probably exposed to, or spoke, other languages. The Intelligence branches were probably the best fit for Ivy League Educated soldiers, given their skill set. There missions or actions or networks they built during and after the war is what bound them in various types of secrecy. Some forged the papers of German Rocket scientists and did so with no nefarious intent (better to have the scientist working for the US than the USSR), other's forged the papers of SS Colonels because the Colonel provided a map to a cache of gold fillings. Some of these intelligence guys stuck with it after the war and formed the CIA. Others went into private industry. I bet most turned out to be decent citizens and would never consider leveraging their secrets for personal or political gain. It seems like there are a few that did though. Guys like Angleton or Dulles. Bissell had an interesting job during the war. He was not, at least on the surface, an Intelligence agent. Those United Fruit Boats he was in charge of probably held some interesting cargo on the return trip from Algiers. Trump was an outsider. His outsider status meant the Bush family and the CIA had a limited ability to control him. Mueller's ultimate goal was originally to get rid of Trump. Mueller was chosen because he has played well for the Bush/CIA team. East Coast Family Connections (Bissells, Cabels, Cushings (Julia Child married into Cushings - FYI.) Bush Jr. picked him as FBI Director. (Does anyone want to bet Bush picked Mueller to be FBI chief because he was finally going to bring the CIA to justice for running drugs in prior decades?) Saudi links to 9/11 were kept quiet under Mueller's FBI tenure. It's not the DNA similarities between Mueller & Bissell that make the conspiracy, it's the lack of media inquisitiveness. (Mueller has been around for 2 years now. On a JFK forum, where Bissell is likely one of the top suspects, my mention of the relationship was the first?) If Bissell had something to do with the JFK assassination, and George HW Bush really was CIA in 1963, is it not fair to wonder if Mueller's appointment to be FBI director was more than coincidence. One theory is that Mueller’s goal, at this point, is to just obfuscate and rally the media against Trump. He is not going to be impeached, but he can be distracted. Another theory is more far fetched. You would give even less credence to it than I do. It does not involve aliens. Mueller's bonafides are less questionable the Trump's by a factor of a million. That's non-negotiable. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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