Jason Ward Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 On 9/30/2017 at 11:07 PM, Harry J.Dean said: Having been regrettably involved in those times, I must say it was in the works to slay several people via Minutemen if they in anyway were targeted as socialist/communist enemies in any political positions. The death of JFK made it no longer necessary, as the JBS first five year plan 1958-1963 coup plans had seized a well influenced, almost passive political opposition. MM 28515 Harry, Below is a little sample of the stuff I encounter about you in the 2017 document releases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Ward Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 On 9/30/2017 at 11:07 PM, Harry J.Dean said: Having been regrettably involved in those times, I must say it was in the works to slay several people via Minutemen if they in anyway were targeted as socialist/communist enemies in any political positions. The death of JFK made it no longer necessary, as the JBS first five year plan 1958-1963 coup plans had seized a well influenced, almost passive political opposition. MM 28515 kind of interesting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Brancato Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 23 hours ago, Jason Ward said: Paul, As for Dinkins - I've seen FBI, State, and CIA cables about Dinkins, IIRC. I don't see anything there. He's the lowest possible level of the US military, he has neither position nor accidental access to anything. He made fraudulent IDs and other paperwork for himself and changed his story. As for telling Paul T. that he may have some artificial constructs; I will say I see your point and it's important to pinpoint this issue; but I think there is a line that very few are willing to cross. Crossing the line of murder to kill a political opponent is a line that is and was powerful, despite the apparent willingness of the CT community to deny it even exists. Perhaps most conservatives of the day would not mind Kennedy leaving the White House, but they nevertheless WOULD mind the president of the United States getting assassinated. There is an assumption that morals and laws among conservatives and government elites do not exist in 1963 when there is no evidence that this is true before or since. If someone is shown as a political enemy of JFK the conspiracy community equates that with an unmitigated willingness to murder - it's irrational and without evidentiary support. regards Jason Jason - after puzzling over your last paragraph for a day I've decided to respond. What changed my thinking on the willingness of certain parties to kill the president was my understanding that it wasn't simply hatred that motivated them, it was their conclusion that JFK was literally a traitor. That is my interpretation only, influenced by many things I've read. I don't think they had a problem with killing foreign leaders or foot soldiers, so we're only talking about how far they would go to protect what they saw as our national interest. And I think that the coverup that ensued, regardless of all the reasons people have given over the years for the decisions and deceit of government and media, points to very powerful forces at the helms of both ends of the conspiracy. I have no proof of course, just a bad feeling. When I read the private correspondence between JFK and Khrushchev and thought about how Dulles or Angleton or the JCS would have felt they had known about it, I then pondered the idea that perhaps they did know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Ward Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 49 minutes ago, Paul Brancato said: Jason - after puzzling over your last paragraph for a day I've decided to respond. What changed my thinking on the willingness of certain parties to kill the president was my understanding that it wasn't simply hatred that motivated them, it was their conclusion that JFK was literally a traitor. That is my interpretation only, influenced by many things I've read. I don't think they had a problem with killing foreign leaders or foot soldiers, so we're only talking about how far they would go to protect what they saw as our national interest. And I think that the coverup that ensued, regardless of all the reasons people have given over the years for the decisions and deceit of government and media, points to very powerful forces at the helms of both ends of the conspiracy. I have no proof of course, just a bad feeling. When I read the private correspondence between JFK and Khrushchev and thought about how Dulles or Angleton or the JCS would have felt they had known about it, I then pondered the idea that perhaps they did know. Paul, I hear you and I will not go too far in saying you're wrong. However, my sense from reading the communications from Angleton, Dulles, the CIA, the Cubans, et al, is the "traitor" motif is way overblown. There was nothing JFK was giving up - not Cuba, not Berlin, not Japan or NATO. The missile superiority at the time of JFK was overwhelming and indisputable - there is almost nothing Kennedy could do to in any way jeopardize the US from a Soviet threat, because the Soviets were so very very far behind. All the DC military types knew there was nothing to fear, nothing to worry about, the Soviets were almost hopelessly behind. JFK could in no sense be a traitor to the mind of anyone privy to US intelligence. He inherited and grew a position of such strength that the Soviets had little choice but to react meekly and show appreciation for not blowing them cleanly off the face of the earth (with no fear of mutual destruction - retribution). https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/08/what-missile-gap/309484/ Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Trejo Posted October 3, 2017 Author Share Posted October 3, 2017 (edited) On 10/1/2017 at 12:07 AM, Harry J.Dean said: Having been regrettably involved in those times, I must say it was in the works to slay several people via Minutemen if they in anyway were targeted as socialist/communist enemies in any political positions. The death of JFK made it no longer necessary, as the JBS first five year plan 1958-1963 coup plans had seized a well influenced, almost passive political opposition. MM 28515 Hello Harry, Thanks for joining this thread. Thanks, also, for posting your Minuteman number: #MM-28515. I accept most by far of your eye-witness account of the JFK plot that occurred in Southern California, with General Walker, along with Loran Hall and Larry Howard supporting Guy Gabaldon. The context was the John Birch Society (JBS) and the Minutemen organizations in Southern California, with Guy Gabaldon leading the local boys. Gabaldon, a war hero from WW2 and a Mexican American, belonged to the "Radical Right" in terms of Anticommunism to the point of violence. The Minutemen were very much to his taste. Guy (Gabby) Gabaldon was an aging WW2 hero, whose career is briefly summarized in Wikipedia. A Hollywood movie made of Guy's WW2 story, Hell to Eternity (1960) is still available. Gabby also wrote a book about the late 1950's and early 1960's, "America Betrayed" (1990), which speaks about his own Cuba Raid Group. He also speaks about his hatred for JFK and RFK, and even a bit about assassination plots. Gabaldon doesn't name Loran Hall or Larry Howard in his book, but he does speak of his own Cuba Raid group that he organized, until RFK banned them all. You connect them all in several places and times together with yourself in your memoirs (Crosstrails 1990). As you told me, personally, you and Gabby would collect paramilitary supplies from well-heeled JBS, and store these carloads of supplies in your garages, till they were stuffed. Then, Loran and Larry would come by regularly with a trailer, and y'all would load the trailer. Then, they would take these supplies to NOLA and Miami, to Cuban Exile, Minutemen and Mercenary training camps. Interpen was one of the beneficiaries of these supplies. The Minutemen contacted you as a pre-approved member shortly after you befriended Guy Gabaldon in Southern California, you told me. I have tried to contact the sons of Guy Gabaldon, but they never returned my mail or phone calls. Yet you say that you met these sons when they were very young, there in Guy Gabaldon's house. Then, as you told me, you and Gabby attended a post-JBS meeting in the office of Congressman John Rousselot of San Gabriel County (where I grew up). In that meeting in September 1963, General Walker led a group of Minutemen and Radical Rightists and explained that he had identified Lee Harvey Oswald as a Communist who was now in New Orleans boasting of his FPCC office, but he was now a marked man in Walker's conspiracy. JFK was also a marked man, said Walker. You supported the conversation to the best of your ability, telling the group that you had also been an officer of the FPCC, and you had also warned the FBI that the FPCC was Communist, armed and dangerous. So, you warned them to beware of any FPCC officer. You told me that you thought this was just another Minuteman team-building exercise, and didn't take it fully seriously. JFK was regularly insulted in these meetings. Yet you remembered the name of Lee Harvey Oswald, because as a former officer of the FPCC, you could partly identify with him. Then, after JFK was assassinated, and when Lee Harvey Oswald was presented to the public and then killed two days later, you began to recognize exactly what happened. You told me that you reported what you knew to the FBI multiple times -- but no record has yet been discovered of your several reports. I believe you, Harry. As an advocate of a Walker-did-it CT, I believe you are one of the most important living witnesses of the JFK assassination. I have said this for more than 5 years on this Forum. You are the only source of your memoirs, a 100 page document, IIRC, called "Crosstrails" (1990). I think all readers here should be aware of your memoirs. Very best regards, --Paul Trejo Edited October 4, 2017 by Paul Trejo typos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Ward Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 22 hours ago, Paul Trejo said: ... Then, after JFK was assassinated, and when Lee Harvey Oswald was presented to the public and then killed two days later, you began to recognize exactly what happened. You told me that you reported what you knew to the FBI multiple times -- but no record has yet been discovered of your several reports. ... --Paul Trejo Maybe this is getting closer to tracking down Harry Dean's post assassination FBI reports? The snippet below is from a 1967 internal FBI memo. If I'm reading it correctly, one of the first requests on November 22, 1963 was in pursuit of any information Harry Dean might have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Trejo Posted October 4, 2017 Author Share Posted October 4, 2017 (edited) 11 hours ago, Jason Ward said: Maybe this is getting closer to tracking down Harry Dean's post assassination FBI reports? The snippet below is from a 1967 internal FBI memo. If I'm reading it correctly, one of the first requests on November 22, 1963 was in pursuit of any information Harry Dean might have. Jason, If you can find more and more FBI references to Harry Dean in your research, that would be EXCELLENT. Let's analyze this FBI memo from 1967, sentence by sentence: 1. The Chicago FBI sent J. Edgar Hoover (the Director) a letter on 11/26/1963 -- four days after JFK was assassinated -- and the caption was, "HARRY DEAN, LA PUENTE, CALIFORNIA RESEARCH (CORRESPONDENCE AND TOURS)." 2. Yes, Harry Dean did indeed live in beautiful La Puente, California throughout 1963. 3. Exactly what the Chicago FBI "corresponded" with Harry Dean about, however, they do not say in this FBI memo. 4. However, the memo did generically divulge info about Harry Dean's "contacts with the Chicago Division." 5. Furthermore, these contacts were made FOLLOWING "a request made in a Bureau airtel dated 11/22/1963." 6. In my reading, that means that the FBI headquarters in Washington DC asked the Chicago FBI to contact Harry Dean. 6.1. Does that sound like a reasonable reading of that clause to you, Jason? 7. Then, for further information about Harry Dean, the Los Angeles FBI sent an Airtel to FBI headquarters dated 12/10/1963, which was less than three weeks after the JFK assassination. 8. This FBI memo doesn't say what the Los Angeles FBI had to say about Harry Dean. Nor does it give any clues. 9. Then, on 1/28/1964, the Los Angeles FBI sent to FBI headquarters another letter about LA contacts with Harry Dean. This was about two months after the JFK assassination. 10. Nothing about the content of that letter was shared here, but the Los Angeles file number was given (#1051-2933) 11. Then, on 12/18/1964, the Los Angeles FBI sent another Airtel to FBI headquarters about Harry Dean. 12. This time the topic was clear: Harry Dean was about to appear on the Joe Pyne Show and TALK! 12.1. That reference to the Joe Pyne Show was the FBI objection that Harry Dean would appear on that TV show in January, 1965. 12..2. Harry told me that the FBI went to that TV station and confronted the manager, demanding that he refuse to allow Harry Dean any air time. 12..3. Harry told me that the TV station manager basically ignored the FBI. 12.4. In that TV show, Harry Dean made public his Walker-did-it CT. The first time it was ever broadcast nationwide. 12.5. Not many people took it seriously. 12.6. Yet Harry Dean has not changed the key factors of his account of the JFK assassination in 52 years. So, please, Jason, please keep digging for more FBI material about Harry Dean. Given that Harry Dean claims that he spoke to the FBI multiple times from September 1963 through January 1964, there ought to be something -- something else that you can find. Very best regards, --Paul Trejo Edited October 4, 2017 by Paul Trejo typos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Ward Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Paul Trejo said: Jason, If you can find more and more FBI references to Harry Dean in your research, that would be EXCELLENT. ... ... Very best regards, --Paul Trejo Hi Paul - I find these routing cover sheets are little-used clues. This is precisely the kind of example that indicates there's plenty more in the files that has never been requested because the nominal file header is not explicitly marked assassination related. There's a lot more out there if all these numerous file numbers are any indication of what's left unseen. Note date. They were compiling a lot connected to Harry Dean in these weeks. I'll see if I can use these file numbers and find out who they managed to connect.... Jason Edited October 4, 2017 by Jason Ward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Ward Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Paul Trejo said: ... So, please, Jason, please keep digging for more FBI material about Harry Dean. Given that Harry Dean claims that he spoke to the FBI multiple times from September 1963 through January 1964, there ought to be something -- something else that you can find. Very best regards, --Paul Trejo Paul, It's pretty rare to see a bold faced stern instruction like the one below from Hoover. I don't think I've seen him use the personal pronoun-type word "my" like this to so pointedly call a communication his own. (My feeling is that most routine HQ communications with the Director's name are actually written by subordinates.) Note again the stipulation of "two mature and experienced agents." Note also the deadline for a reply. This may mean nothing, it may be a sign Hoover is really serious, or...... .....I've never seen Hoover add a deadline and I've only seen the instruction about using two mature/experienced agents in one other communication out of about 4000 I've looked at in the past few weeks --- and that was when I suspected Hoover suspected the Dallas office of manipulating/obscuring/hiding information re: radical right. My total speculation with no supporting evidence is that Hoover tells a field office to send two mature/experienced agents when he is already annoyed at something the field office did and wants to avoid the possibility of a single agent unilaterally deflecting or skirting orders. So, if you put on your tinfoil conspiracy hat, this Airtel could really mean something, eh? Or maybe it means nothing at all.... Jason Edited October 4, 2017 by Jason Ward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Brancato Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 Seems clear enough to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Ward Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 On 9/30/2017 at 11:07 PM, Harry J.Dean said: Having been regrettably involved in those times, I must say it was in the works to slay several people via Minutemen if they in anyway were targeted as socialist/communist enemies in any political positions. The death of JFK made it no longer necessary, as the JBS first five year plan 1958-1963 coup plans had seized a well influenced, almost passive political opposition. MM 28515 Hi Harry, Why did you join the FPCC? regards Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Ward Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Paul Brancato said: Seems clear enough to me. Yes, well, the problem we have is that we must weigh Hoover's word versus the words from Harry Dean. Or is it possible they both are telling the truth but interpreted what Harry did in 2 different ways? See Harry's letter below. {ps - - imagine writing a letter 56 years ago and having it turn up here in 2017 on this website...} Jason {edit - skip to signature} Edited October 4, 2017 by Jason Ward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Ward Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 On 9/30/2017 at 11:07 PM, Harry J.Dean said: Having been regrettably involved in those times, I must say it was in the works to slay several people via Minutemen Harry, I've stumbled onto a lot about you in the FBI files. What's the meaning of this phone bill? Were you trying to prove your contact with the FBI or something like that? Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Ward Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 Who among us has a membership ID card in the 26th of July Movement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Ward Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 On November 22, 1963, among the other problems of the day, J E Hoover has Harry Dean on his mind. He fires off a memo to Chicago and LA about Dean. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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