Did the Dallas Radical Right kill JFK?

[Jeffrey Reilley]

Wasn't Plausible Denial the cool thing of the time? It would make sense if a government agency outsourced a plot, which they had been doing with their plots to take out Castro, and used it to assassinate the president. 

[Paul Trejo]

5 hours ago, Jeffrey Reilley said:

Wasn't Plausible Denial the cool thing of the time? It would make sense if a government agency outsourced a plot, which they had been doing with their plots to take out Castro, and used it to assassinate the president. 

Jeffrey,

Yes, Mark Lane's Plausible Denial (1991) was a tremendous boon for the CIA-did-it theory.   E. Howard Hunt had to bow in court before Mark Lane and his prime witness, Marita Lorenz.   The court refused to believe his alibi -- so full of holes -- when he denied Marita Lorenz's account of his whereabouts on a given date in 1963.

Later however, in 2007, E. Howard Hunt left a full deathbed confession to his son, S. John Hunt, that he had a minor role in the JFK Assassination, tempted to join David Morales by freelance fanatic Frank Sturgis.  

Even if we interpret Marita Lorenz literally, then being a payroll bagman for a JFK Assassination plot -- this does amount to a minor role.   That is, he was not in Dealey Plaza as a shooter -- he was a bagman in Miami.

So, actually one cannot claim a CIA-did-it plot based on this.  One can just as easily claim a civilian plot, in which a couple of CIA rogues involved in Kill-Fidel plans, joined them.

Regards,
--Paul Trejo

[Michael Clark]

The latest and most absolute reason that the Trejo theory is wrong just occurred to me. 

It has been my working assumption that JFK absolutely had to die in Dallas that day; and therefore there were increasingly reckless plans A, B and C in place. Paul's plot and his perps could not have afforded a messy, reckless, desperate fall-back to a plan C or D with bombs or very heavy automatic large caliber guns being brought to bear on the limo and killing or wounding everyone. Paul's plotters could not fall-back on a messy, bloody coup and conspiracy. The consequences of such an outcome preclude any possibility of an attempt at such a thing.

Edited January 3, 2018 by Michael Clark

[Paul Trejo]

On ‎1‎/‎1‎/‎2018 at 7:08 PM, Jason Ward said:

The assassination could benefit from a refresh in mindset and modality of study. If CTers would look at the method of murder in the way that cops and the FBI look at any standard murder -- without trying to conflate method and motive -- they might find that method leads to the murderers even with an unknown motive.   

I say:  Stop looking at who benefits from the murder and start looking at:

• Who thinks this is the best way to kill JFK?  
• Who would choose Dallas?  
• Who would choose long range rifle shots?  
• Who would choose a moving target?  
• Who would choose risky uncontrolled variables like the Dallas doctors, the witnesses, the home movie makers?

Jason

Jason,

These are new questions, and they completely refresh the CT Community mindset.  I hope readers are ready for this.

The following is my opinion:

1.  The Radical Right thinks that a military-style ambush is the best way to kill JFK, partly because they were still living in a 1940's mindset.

2.  The Radical Right would choose Dallas, partly because they virtually owned the town.

3.  The Minutemen among the Radical Right would choose long-range rifle shots, partly because they were mostly military trained.

4.  The Minutemen among the Radical Right would choose a moving target, partly because of the challenge to rifle expertise.

5.  The Radical Right would choose uncontrolled variables, because they were convinced they could fool the USA into believing the Reds killed JFK.

Regards,
--Paul Trejo

Edited January 3, 2018 by Paul Trejo
clarity

[Ernie Lazar]

7 minutes ago, Paul Trejo said:

Jason,

These are new questions, and they completely refresh the CT Community mindset.  I hope readers are ready for this.

The following is my opinion:

1.  The Radical Right thinks that a military-style ambush is the best way to kill JFK, because they were still living in a 1940's mindset.

2.  The Radical Right would choose Dallas, because they virtually owned the town.

3.  The Minutemen among the Radical Right would choose long-range rifle shots, because they were mostly military trained.

4.  The Minutemen among the Radical Right would choose a moving target because of the challenge to rifle expertise.

5.  The Radical Right would choose uncontrolled variables, because they were convinced they could fool the USA into believing the Reds killed JFK.

Regards,
--Paul Trejo

They really are not "new" questions Paul.   The Secret Service (and White House personnel) always believed that any assassination of JFK would be most likely to occur through a rifle shot.  Even on the morning of the assassination, JFK told his senior assistant (Kenneth O'Donnell--who repeated what JFK said to the Warren Commission)  “If anybody really wanted to shoot the President of the U.S., it was not a very difficult job—all one had to do was get a high building some day with a telescopic rifle, and there was nothing anybody could do to defend against such an attempt."

With respect to the MM having military training:   

(1)  Paul -- surely you must be aware that the United States introduced a draft during World War II and as a result, the U.S. military trained MILLIONS of men for both World War II and the Korean conflict?   You probably could not walk down ANY street in America without bumping into someone who had recently had "military training".

(2)  No matter what military training you receive, murdering someone -- especially the President of our country -- is not something as easy as making yourself a cup of coffee in the morning. 

(3)  As I have mentioned in a previous message, there are literally THOUSANDS of men and women (extreme right wingers) who used public platforms (speeches, newsletter articles,  letters-to-the-editor, annual conventions or conferences, etc) to publicly express their viciousness and hatred and contempt and irrationality toward JFK (which also occurred with President Obama--except with an added racist element) but they never translated their venom and bile into violence or into any direct physical or threatening action.  In fact, many psychologists believe that blow-torch rhetoric which is vicious and hateful is often used by political extremists as a substitute for actual physical activity -- especially for mentally disturbed individuals.

(4)  There really is not much difference between the Minutemen and other extreme right-wing groups which existed during that time -- including (of course) the most violent Klan in our nation's history whose members had already committed very serious crimes including bombings, lynchings, castrations, and murder.  Many of those Klan units and other extreme right-wing groups were organized as "gun clubs" -- particularly in the south.

In addition, there were paramilitary groups like William Gale's California Rangers -- along with the remnants of the Columbians in the south (which the U.S. Attorney General listed as a subversive fascist organization) as well as our nation's first postwar neo-fascist group (James Madole's National Renaissance Party in New York) which had a "security force" composed of guys dressed in SS-type uniforms, AND there were many other extreme right groups which were pre-disposed toward violence---all of whom had guys trained in our military.   Some of them were given dishonorable discharges from the Army or Navy because they had done something unacceptable or expressed extremist political statements or they associated with subversive or pro-nazi elements during their service.

Consequently, singling out the Minutemen does not make much sense -- especially when you consider that the MM were compartmentalized so members in the same community, or adjacent areas, often did not even know about each other.

[Ernie Lazar]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/01/10/jfk-files-kgb-had-trusted-relationship-longtime-warren-commission-critic-mark-lane/1018691001/

JFK files: KGB had 'trusted relationship' with longtime Warren Commission critic Mark Lane

 

Ray Locker, USA TODAYPublished 2:09 p.m. ET Jan. 10, 2018

[Harry J.Dean]

Attorney Mark Lane was an FPCC- Fair Play For Cuba Committee Member

[Ernie Lazar]

1 hour ago, Ernie Lazar said:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/01/10/jfk-files-kgb-had-trusted-relationship-longtime-warren-commission-critic-mark-lane/1018691001/

JFK files: KGB had 'trusted relationship' with longtime Warren Commission critic Mark Lane

 

Ray Locker, USA TODAYPublished 2:09 p.m. ET Jan. 10, 2018

More info re: Lane =====   https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/104-10332-10004.pdf

[Paul Trejo]

2 hours ago, Harry J.Dean said:

Attorney Mark Lane was an FPCC- Fair Play For Cuba Committee Member

Harry,

I'm not surprised that Mark Lane would be an FPCC member.   For many Americans, the FPCC wasn't a Communist organization, but instead was attempting to establish a simple policy of fairness for Cuba, although Fidel Castro, leader of Cuba, was ultimately aligned with the USSR.

Most Americans in that scenario didn't want any connection with the USSR, but they still wanted a connection with Cuba, which the USA had enjoyed since before 1776.

A policy of fairness for Cuba, thought many Americans, would persuade the Cubans to give up their false hopes about the USSR, so that they would voluntarily give up Communist policies, and return to normal relations with the USA.  

It is in this context, I believe, that many Americans to this very day might deny that the FPCC was really a "Communist" organization.

It is significant that you yourself, Harry, maintain that the FPCC was certainly and absolutely a Communist organization, established to serve Fidel Castro's Revolution and especially his relationship with the USSR.   You yourself were an eye-witness to the many Communist Party members who filed in and out of the FPCC offices.

Mark Lane, in my view, was one of the more naïve Americans in the 20th century.  He was Liberal to a fault, and this explained his devotion to JFK as well as his naiveté with regards to the FPCC. 

Given these observations, I have little doubt that Mark Lane's naiveté would become a special target for the KGB during the Cold War.   Whether he knew they were KGB agents at the time is certainly a question -- yet if he did, I feel certain in the case of the honorable Mark Lane, that he felt he could patriotically handle them, or anything that came his way.

Best regards,
--Paul Trejo

Edited January 12, 2018 by Paul Trejo

[Ray Mitcham]

Castro was forced into the arms of Russia by the actions of the USA against Cuba.

[Harry J.Dean]

Paul, It is  a fact that we cannot know with certainty the motivations of others.

Ray,  your post is an absolute fact

[Jason Ward]

On 1/12/2018 at 12:11 PM, Paul Trejo said:

...

Mark Lane, in my view, was one of the more naïve Americans in the 20th century.  He was Liberal to a fault, and this explained his devotion to JFK as well as his naiveté with regards to the FPCC. 

Paul,

Mark Lane was indeed liberal to a fault. 

While almost singlehandedly establishing the essential mainstream opposition to the Warren Report and the Lone Nut theory, his work nevertheless put assassination research on a trajectory which is difficult to overcome.   

Let's rehash some evidence we've met beofre .....General Edwin Walker's links with the Mexico City episode are what exactly?

Jason

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Paul Trejo]

Jason,

Thanks for remind us of these FBI papers about Ylario V. Rojas, which also named "Guy Gabaldon" as a ikely part of the Mexico City episode of Lee Harvey Oswald.

Let's reconsider Harry Dean's account of the JFK Assassination.  In his manuscript, "Crosstrails" (1990), Harry Dean tells us of his friendship with WW2 hero, Guy "Gabby" Gabaldon.   Gabby was a member of the Radical Right in Southern California in 1962-1963, in particular, a leader among the John Birch Society and Minutemen there.

Gabby was a WW2 war hero whose story can be viewed on Wikipedia and in the movie, "Hell to Eternity" (1960).  Every detail that Harry told me about Gabby I have independently confirmed.   Gabby also wrote a book, called, "Saipan, Suicide Island" (1990) which further confirms his politics and geography. 

Gabby had a private airplane that he would fly between Los Angeles and Mexico City on a regular basis.   Gabby had an Anticommunist political organization in Mexico City named DACA (Drive Against Communist Aggression).  Gabby had a strong personal friendship with Loran Hall and Larry Howard as well as Harry Dean.  They would collect paramilitary supplies in Gabby and Harry's garages, and then every few weeks load up a trailer for Loran and Larry, who would drive these supplies coast to coast for Cuba Raid groups like Interpen and La Sambra.

In the context of the John Birch Society and the Minutemen in Los Angeles, these four men also met and interacted with Ex-General Edwin Walker.

Harry reports that on one of these trips in late September 1963, Loran and Larry were given extra money by Gabby to pick up Lee Harvey Oswald in New Orleans, and drive him to Mexico City to meet Gabby there.   Gabby also had money and instructions for Lee Oswald, once he arrived in Mexico City.

In conjunction with the CT provided by NOLA DA Jim Garrison, we behold Lee Harvey Oswald in a Fake FPCC in New Orleans, pretending to be a friend of Fidel Castro.   This suggests a plot to kill Fidel Castro.   While it is clear that the CIA was also wildly trying to kill Fidel Castro, this New Orleans operation at 544 Camp Street, was under the control of an independent operator named Guy Banister.  

Jeff Caufield in his book, General Walker and the Murder of President Kennedy: the Extensive New Evidence of a Radical Right Conspiracy (2015), successfully links Guy Banister with Radical Right vigilantes all over the USA, including General Walker.

General Walker makes a personal linkage between Guy Banister in New Orleans with Guy Gabaldon in Mexico City.   Harry Dean links Gabaldon with Lee Harvey Oswald in Mexico City, and strangely enough, despite a shortage of confirmation of Harry Dean's account in the past half-century, you appear to have uncovered an FBI document that names Guy Gabaldon in connection with Ylario V. Rojas.

I have never heard of Ylario Rojas before, and yet his profile is perfect.  He seeks to blame the JFK Assassination on the Communists.  He names "Gabaldon" in this context, and he tells the FBI shortly after JFK is Assassinated.

HERE is the place for us to start digging, Jason.   You've done a great service by digging up this key piece of the JFK archaeology puzzle.

Regards,
--Paul Trejo

Edited January 24, 2018 by Paul Trejo
typos

[Jason Ward]

8 hours ago, Paul Trejo said:

...

Let's reconsider Harry Dean's account of the JFK Assassination.  In his manuscript, "Crosstrails" (1990), Harry Dean tells us of his friendship with WW2 hero, Guy "Gabby" Gabaldon.   Gabby was a member of the Radical Right in Southern California in 1962-1963, in particular, a leader among the John Birch Society and Minutemen there.

In the context of the John Birch Society and the Minutemen in Los Angeles, these four men also met and interacted with Ex-General Edwin Walker.

...

--Paul Trejo

 

Paul,

Evidence I provide below show that Walker was tagged on the day of the assassination as a likely conspirator or instigator, and indeed southern California was a documented, fruitful connection for Walker as our friend Harry Deans says.

..., and, worst of all...much of the relevant information about Walker remains redacted because it is not thought part of the Kennedy assassination by the ruling junta of assassination researchers and their government enablers who are happy to let them search endlessly down a fruitless path chasing a blameless CIA.

 Wouldn't you like to see the list of the 11 interviewed for their relationship with Walker, but whose identity remains unknown in the Ole Miss-related document (#5) below ?   Perhaps we can do our own FOIA requests.....  Plenty of Walker intel remains hidden and certainly NOT part of the 2017 document release.

Jason

 

1. Oswald suffered from the immediate accusations brought against him on 22November but your favorite general had the numerous accusations against him quashed in redactions or buried in mountains of paperwork.  What does Mildred (or her surviving family) know?  What causes someone to reach out to the AG on the day of the assassination and accuse Walker of ringleadership?

 

2. Plenty of references in the evidence of a southern California group of Minutemen who were in contact with Walker:

 

 

3. Walker rose to internal fame in the FBI because of Ole Miss integration riots which he lead; there's lots of info on Walker and especially his associates still hidden:

 

 

4. Some officious soul has thoughtfully decided what evidence is and is not relevant to the JFK assassination; since these notices appear largely in the midst of Walker intelligence reports, the general is apparently not officially subject to JFK assassination information releases and legislation:

 

5. Eight FBI and 11 Walker disciples not officially relevant to the JFK assassination (and therefore hidden to this day) presumably because they were obviously super-nice guys whose innocence needed protecting - as they were involved merely in keeping nonwhites out of Ole Miss:

 

 

6.  This is from The Third Decade, Volume 4 Issue 1, by Jerry Rose.  page 18

 

7. This is a perfect example of a document which may or may not be in the "official" JFK documents released because it is mainly about General Walker.   Jerry Rose in 1987 was on to Walker in an era when Walker was still living....before computer assisted research I don't even know how he managed to find this internal DPD document published as the back cover illustration of The Third Decade, November 1987 edition.  What does this tell us about the DPD?

This is from The Third Decade, Volume 4 Issue 1, by Jerry Rose.  page 30.  (notice the nomenclature "Edwin A Walker Group")

Edited January 24, 2018 by Jason Ward

[Ernie Lazar]

30 minutes ago, Jason Ward said:

 

Paul,

Evidence I provide below show that Walker was tagged on the day of the assassination as a likely conspirator or instigator, and indeed southern California was a documented, fruitful connection for Walker as our friend Harry Deans says.

..., and, worst of all...much of the relevant information about Walker remains redacted because it is not thought part of the Kennedy assassination by the ruling junta of assassination researchers and their government enablers who are happy to let them search endlessly down a fruitless path chasing a blameless CIA.

 Wouldn't you like to see the list of the 11 interviewed for their relationship with Walker, but whose identity remains unknown in the Ole Miss-related document (#5) below ?   Perhaps we can do our own FOIA requests.....  Plenty of Walker intel remains hidden and certainly NOT part of the 2017 document release.

Jason

 

1. Oswald suffered from the immediate accusations brought against him on 22November but your favorite general had the numerous accusations against him quashed in redactions or buried in mountains of paperwork.  What does Mildred (or her surviving family) know?  What causes someone to reach out to the AG on the day of the assassination and accuse Walker of ringleadership?

 

2. Plenty of references in the evidence of a southern California group of Minutemen who were in contact with Walker:

 

 

3. Walker rose to internal fame in the FBI because of Ole Miss integration riots which he lead; there's lots of info on Walker and especially his associates still hidden:

 

 

4. Some officious soul has thoughtfully decided what evidence is and is not relevant to the JFK assassination; since these notices appear largely in the midst of Walker intelligence reports, the general is apparently not officially subject to JFK assassination information releases and legislation:

 

5. Eight FBI and 11 Walker disciples not officially relevant to the JFK assassination (and therefore hidden to this day) presumably because they were obviously super-nice guys whose innocence needed protecting - as they were involved merely in keeping nonwhites out of Ole Miss:

 

 

6.  This is from The Third Decade, Volume 4 Issue 1, by Jerry Rose.  page 18

 

7. This is a perfect example of a document which may or may not be in the "official" JFK documents released because it is mainly about General Walker.   Jerry Rose in 1987 was on to Walker in an era when Walker was still living....before computer assisted research I don't even know how he managed to find this internal DPD document published as the back cover illustration of The Third Decade, November 1987 edition.  What does this tell us about the DPD?

This is from The Third Decade, Volume 4 Issue 1, by Jerry Rose.  page 30.  (notice the nomenclature "Edwin A Walker Group")

The Birmingham 157-864 file is the FBI field office file captioned "Alleged Klan Participation in Insurrection Plot". 

Last time I checked (2007) all these "Insurrection" files (including the HQ main file) were either destroyed or transferred to NARA.  One of them is being scanned by U.C. Berkeley as part of my FBI file collection which they are converting into PDF files.  It should be noted that the FBI originally received info from KKK members whom the FBI considered "reliable" about a possible plot involving Walker.  However, after checking further with their original sources along with Dallas informants inside the KKK, the FBI concluded that all this was just baseless speculation and rumors.

I made the following notes from documents in the Birmingham file:

09/30/64 = FBI informant in Jackson MS advised FBI “that according to Klansmen in Meridian MS, Major General Edwin A. Walker of Texas had approximately 100,000 followers in Texas, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Louisiana, Mississippi, New Mexico and Arizona who were stealing ammunition and weapons and planned insurrectionary action if President Johnson was re-elected.”  [Klan informant source was from WKKKOM, Lauderdale County Klavern in Meridian who “stated that he had been working with Major General Edwin Walker and his assistants and that Walker had approximately 100,000 followers in several southern and western states and allegedly was going to lead an insurrection if President LBJ was re-elected in the November 1964 election.”  [Birmingham 157-864, #203, 5/17/65 SA-Birmingham report, page 1]  FBI source subsequently said he had no direct knowledge and he originally heard only rumors.

Other FBI files on the Insurrection plot include:  

Atlanta 157-856

Charlotte 157-593

Dallas 157-425 (NARA)

El Paso 157-132

HQ 157-2138 (NARA)

Houston 157-433

Jackson 157-1820

Jacksonville 157-914

Knoxville 157-318

Louisville 157-247

Miami 157-1188

Mobile 157-599

New Orleans 157-3089

NYC 157-1310

OKC 157-254

Pittsburgh 157-334

Richmond 157-883

St. Louis 157-679

San Antonio 157-332

Tampa 157-1699

WFO 157-478