William Plumlee Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 (edited) IN REPLY TO PREVIOUS POST ON FORUM Wim: Our country is just like yours. We have our share of nuts who want others to see things the way they think they should be seen. If we do not hold their views then they go on the attack and attempt to destory our belief and the belief of others any way they can. That is contrary to the American way, but as I have said, we have our share of these deranged individuals just like your country. These are the 'miss-fits' of society. They have been around for thousands of years and we have to put up with them for the sake of establishing the truth for all mankind to know. Their unholy deeds, in time, will reveal themselves to the world for what they are. I see these type people as counter productive. They exist in all nations and countries. These individuals wrap themselves in the flag of the country they say they serve and attempt to intimidate instead of debate issues that are contrary to their warped beliefs and principals. They are the cowards. They hide behind the flags of many nations. They never serve on any battlefield for any nation, right or wrong. They are the 'wanta-bees' cowards of the world and they need the strokes of hard working honest people to maintain there egotistical self net worth. Hitler, and others, came from that group and they tried to eliminate the honest spirit that drove many nations to greatness. Hundreds of thousands fought the Hitlers of this world and they paid the price. The evil doers were soon defeated. In time truth slowly surfaced. It was not easy. And many paid the price so that we could continue to express our views and opinions freely. (your country as well as ours) America was founded upon these principels. But these principels are universal principels, given to all mankind freely. However, there will always be those who feel they must destory this free spirit at all cost. They live in a life of misery, because the misery lies deep within aplace that they themselves can not reach. I see no hope for them. And if you go to their level of pain, in time there will be no hope for you. We have to consider the source of these people and what they say and how they say it. We have to rise above them and re-focus on what our goals are, and we have to work together, steadfast in that direction, for the sake of freedom and truth. Soon those who spread discontent will burry themselves in their own misery and dung and they will disappear forever. Lets get back to work. Focus on our goals and help eachother. Let us disagree with eachother in the spirit of truth. Let us laugh and cry together as we unravel the mysteries of this complicated, but simple "cold- case". That said. I now have work to do. Tosh Edited December 2, 2004 by William Plumlee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wim Dankbaar Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 The problem, of course, being that nobody's willing to stand up to Mr. Vernon. ------------------------ Not true, you're doing it, as is John Simkin, me, Tosh, Stephen Stocker, Judyth, Pamela Brown, Martin Shackelford and countless others. But the one that stands up to Mr. Vernon most of all is ...... Mr. Vernon himself ! Although I understand why he manages to get under one's skin, there comes a time you will get over that stage. Take it from an insider with experience. Wim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibson Vendettuoli Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 The picture he got from Ryan was of Ryan and Nik Janev, a person appearing in a musical Ryan and I am writing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wim Dankbaar Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 Now my reply to this ASXXOLE if he reads this forum. Kiss my Asx... take you best shot you coward. I have dealt with your kind for a damn long time. You have now cross the line with me. I too, know how to play these crazy games. I would be damn careful for now on if I were you. Keep reading my post you coward. You might learn something about freedom and democracy.., you puke. And the name is spelled PLUMLEE, TOSH. Lets get it on you coward. MY REPLY TO YOUR SURRENDER THREATS? NUTS --------------------------------------------------------------- Hey Tosh, That's the spirit! You sound like Vernon in his good time, if there ever was any (that is before he got his quarrels with me) X-XS4ALL-To: <dank@maildrop.xs4all.nl> From: "Bob Vernon" <bobkat2000@attbi.com> To: "wim dankbaar" <dank@xs4all.nl> Subject: Re: Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 09:36:11 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 I believe my emails and my phones are monitored. I could care less. I still live in America and until they come to my door and try to take my guns, I will say what I want to say, when I want to say it. My first cousin said something one time I've always remembered....he's on old redneck boy from the deep south...he said "fxxx'em and feed'em fishheads".....my feelings toward politicans and anyone else to tries to restrict my speech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denis Morissette Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 Hi Bernice. I did not know you were from Canada. I have always had a good opinion of you. I was just trying to make you react a bit. I hope you forgive me. No, I did not read the Online Seminars. Well, I guess I should. I should have kept my mouth shut once more! Denis Hi Denis: Fellow Canuck.... There is a proper way and this has been done... It is the copying of full posts, without permission of the poster to another Forum that is against the rules ,without permission.... John has already posted in his first post information taken from the Forum. But it was correct.... His information about the photo was not ,so there is no problem with trying to clarify information that is incorrect, and in this thread.... Thanks.....for your interest.....B QUOTE(Bernice Moore @ Dec 2 2004, 12:14 AM)Hi John: There is none, and has not been any photo of Gibson posted at the J.F.K Research Forum... I was there earlier yesterday and read that post, no photo, late last evening, I checked it ,no photo, and just now, no photo... and Rich has stated there has never been a photo of Gibson posted on the Forum, and he reads each and every post... There never was one. Perhaps you should check your source. Hope this clears up this matter. B Bernice, did you know that Rich may kick you out of his forum for reporting what is posted, or not posted on his forum? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denis Morissette Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 Is there one police station in America that Vernon has not called yet??? So far he has communicated with several local police stations, FBI, CIA, Department of Justice and the President of the United States. Who's next on his list? The Pope? Denis Wim, so you know, I'm definitely a guy. Also, I'd like to add that Mr. Vernon has now called the Rhode Island State Police because of this posting. He's also come up with the ludicrous theory that I'm my own cousin posing as me. Let me make it clear, I use this last name because a) it's Dad's, b ) my last name hasn't been changed yet, and c) I prefer not to use my current last name for obvious reasons, plus, if one looks for me, they'll find me online under this name, so it's easier to use. I think it's safe to say, whether the threat is real or not, that we should lay off.ETA (edited to add): In regards to my age, it's 14. Any photo Vernon looked up in his mistaken theory search is probably that of my father, particularly if it resembled Bruce Willis (my dad is known for that). He's in his late forties. There. That's it. Case of mistaken theory/identity solved. My cousin was not involved, nor has he ever been, regardless of what Mr. Vernon told Mr. Simkin. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nancy Eldreth Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 (edited) He might? Want to try. Remember, he doesn't have the Sec. to State of the Catholic Churchs fax number that is the closest you can get to the Pope. All faxes the pope does receive that day of it's arrival. It is translated by the Secretary of State and then known of it's contents is given to the Pontiff that same day. The only thing is the Pope never writes letters himself. He answers during a chruch service based from any letters or faxes he would receive at THAT EXACT TIME. The Chicago heirachy might have some access to this, it would be under the files of "Translations of letters" and it was back in 2002 or early 2003 of the Pontiff making the order of that request. One other state also took process with this order and sorry I forget what state that was, it might be New York. Anyhow, the only way to ever get access to this is to have the actual date of the letter itself and or fax date of arrival. Now, the only person that actually holds the transcript of that mass is James Files himself. I don't have a copy of it he is the only one to hold this part of the information. He has stated that he will always keep all letters and every thing that is sent to him. James Files is the holder and it is in prison with him. I am sure it is something that he would keep. Edited December 3, 2004 by Nancy Eldreth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawn Meredith Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 He might? Want to try.Remember, he doesn't have the Sec. to State of the Catholic Churchs fax number that is the closest you can get to the Pope. All faxes the pope does receive that day of it's arrival. It is translated by the Secretary of State and then known of it's contents is given to the Pontiff that same day. The only thing is the Pope never writes letters himself. He answers during a chruch service based from any letters or faxes he would receive at THAT EXACT TIME. The Chicago heirachy might have some access to this, it would be under the files of "Translations of letters" and it was back in 2002 or early 2003 of the Pontiff making the order of that request. One other state also took process with this order and sorry I forget what state that was, it might be New York. Anyhow, the only way to ever get access to this is to have the actual date of the letter itself and or fax date of arrival. Now, the only person that actually holds the transcript of that mass is James Files himself. I don't have a copy of it he is the only one to hold this part of the information. He has stated that he will always keep all letters and every thing that is sent to him. James Files is the holder and it is in prison with him. I am sure it is something that he would keep. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> _________________________________ Hi Dennis, and Bernice: Add me to the Canadian list too. Born and raised in Nova Scotia. Moved to Boston in 1968, just one months after the murder of RFK. (That case needs to be solved!!) In 63 both my parents were ill for nearly a year and I lived in Massachusetts then too, arriving just one months PRIOR to the assassination of JFK. (But my interest in JFk himself began earlier than that in Canada.) I think most kids in that period really looked up to JFK. DAwn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Simkin Posted December 3, 2004 Author Share Posted December 3, 2004 Bob Vernon has been attacking us on the JFK Research Forum. It all started when I commented about Vernon posting a picture of a man he thought was Gibson (the two boys concerned were actually Ryan Letizia and Nik Janev). Bob Vernon denied this and as usual got support from the administrators who made it quite clear I was unwelcome on their forum. I was also told I must not retaliate by criticising Vernon. Anyway, this is what Vernon said about the forum. It would appear at this point that Simkin has been caught in falsehoods himself, again. This is very sad for a man of his alleged educational background who also claims his forum educates children. Rich runs the most valuable JFK forum on the Internet, Simkin. The folks that come here are highly credible and provide accurate research to a community that has seen it all for over 41 years. Good folks like Jack White and Jim Fetzer and others here have forgotten more facts about the JFK assassination than you know. Of course, Simkin, your forum also has some online seminar posts by very credible researchers such as the meticulous Larry Hancock, the great Allan Eaglesham and others and the children who are unfortunate enough to be led or baited into your forum at least have the opportunity to read the work of these valid researchers. Sadly, Simkin, your forum features posts by people who, long ago, were sent packing by Rich and these valid researchers here. The kids that visit Simkin, like the poor misguided kid from Rhode Island, believe a lot of what they read there. These kids are very impressionable and their minds and the growth of their minds deserve the truth. The truth from their parents and friends and the truth from where they go to seek education. And that is why, tomorrow morning, I will be contacting the good folks in the United Kingdom that regulate and are the watchdogs for the educational system in that country. I will be sending them information regarding the problems with the Simkin forum that I see and have experienced and several other researchers have contacted me privately to ask me if I would consider doing this to try to help the children that are lured there. I certainly will. Be glad to do so. If any of the members of this esteemed forum have any suggestions as to how I should word my communications to the officials in the UK or have any further evidence of falsehoods being presented on the JFK part of Simkin's forum, please do not hesitate to contact me via private email and I will gladly forward your information along with mine and I won't even use your names to do so unless you want me to. I now adhere to Rich's request and I suggest strongly to you Simkin that you do, too. Besides, if you listen here and learn here Simkin, perhaps even you, one day, will have a forum as credible as this one. But you've got a long, long way to go. I am not sure who he will be contacting. However, there is no educational institution in the UK who has any control over me. Not that any educational institution would take any notice of Bob Vernon. We do things differently in the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard J. Smith Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 "Ouch! Please don't cancel my membership. I've always considered myself a worldly person, but I could have never dreamed what I have been put through. I will try to be careful and thoughtful. I'm grateful for the fellowship of this forum." Tim, so glad you reconsidered. I always thought you were "careful and thoughtful". But as JFK said, "when the going gets tough, the tough get going". Don't let this crapola bring you down. I'm behind you 100%. Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Plumlee Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 (edited) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> REPLY TO JOHN SIMKIN"S POST "BOB VERNON" Reference to Bob Vernon and his previous statements: I think the following should be considered as to how his story changes over time. He was under oath at the time of this Texas Testimony: To following is taken from sworn testimony of Robert G Vernon to a special committee in Dallas, Texas, 1994. This was sworn to by Mr. Vernon under the penalty of perjury. "....The second participant discovered by Truth is male Caucasian Robert Tosh Plumlee, a CIA pilot. Mr. Plumlee has piloted and co-piloted clandestine CIA flights for over 31 years. He testified before the Church Committee in the 1970s and his CIA escapades have been well chronicled in magazine articles, books and congressional reports. Mr. Plumlee testified before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on August 2nd, 1990, and again in May of 1991. His testimony under oath has been classified as Top Secret. Senator John Kerry served as Chairman of the Senate Committee, John Wyner, I believe his name is, and Dick McCall, staff aides to Senator Kerry, questioned Mr. Plumlee in relation to the Contra resupply network behind closed doors. Mr. Plumlee testified to the U.S. Senate Committee and to Truth Truth Truth, Incorporated, that on the morning of November 22nd, 1963, he was a co-pilot on a top secret flight supported by the CIA. Mr. Plumlee's flight left Florida on November 21, 1963, and stopped in New Orleans and Houston before heading into Dallas, Texas, during the early morning hours of November 22nd, 1963. Mr. Plumlee testified that Philippe or Philippo Socko, alias John Roselli, a known Mafia/CIA double operative was onboard the plane to Dallas. Mr. Plumlee stated that Mr. Roselli departed the plane at Dallas Garland Airport shortly after 6:30 a.m. on the morning of November 22nd, 1963. [Mr. Vernon has said recently Mr. Plumlee said at the 1992 filmimg that Jonh Rosellie got off at Red Bird Airport.] [At the time of the filming Mr. Plumlee stopped the tape corrected his mis-spoken Red Bird Airport mistake and continued the interview] Mr. Plumlee testified that he was informed that the flight was an abort mission, and that their assignment was to stop the assassination attempt on Kennedy's life. Mr. Plumlee testified that he was told this by his superior officers, and he has identified those officers. Mr. Plumlee testified that he was present in Dealey Plaza on the South Knoll at the time of the assassination. In the spring of 1992, the late George West, the founder of Truth Truth Truth received a call from Beaumont, Texas, FBI agent Zack Shelton. Agent Shelton requested an off-the-record meeting with Mr. West at a location between Houston and Beaumont. Agent Shelton and private investigator West also had a second meeting at which a noted Houston criminal attorney, Don Irving, was present....". The complete sworn statement can be found at the following website. http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/arrb/index67.htm The above should be compared to the following statement made by Mr. Vernon a few weeks ago and posted on this forum for all to see: "....the interview conducted in 1992. Plumlee lied so bad and was shaking from the DT's at 9 AM in the morning we stopped the interview to let the guy calm down. We stopped it when we caught him in his first lie of the day. Plumlee has lied so much since 92 it's not even funny. You have no clue. No clue at all....". Mr. Vernon has now admitted that the Plumlee story was thought by him, at the time of the interview of 1992, to be a fraud from the very beginning. This was even before he continued to promoted Plumlee's story for over ten years as being truthful. Mr Vernon continued to promoted Plumlee's story and sold it, along with the Files story as factual. Mr Vernon personally certified the Plumlee story as trueful and sold it, more than once, for a large sum of money. Mr. Vernon's motivation was greed and money and not truth as he claimed. Mr. Vernon wove Mr. Plumlee's testimoney into the James Files story and promoted both as fact and now admits that he thought, at the time, both, Files and Pllumlee were frauds and hoxas. Mr Plumlee many times over the years is on the record as NOT supporting the Files story. By Mr. Vernons own admission, from the very beginning he considered Plumlee to be lying at the time of the interview in 1992. If this is true, then every dollar Mr. Vernon has made promoting and selling the Plumlee/Files story was fraudulently obtained by him. The above are his own words, with his admission. Mr. Vernon also sent many emails to various researchers with the above statements incorperate therein. "... [b]Plumlee lied so bad and was shaking from the DT's at 9 AM in the morning we stopped the interview to let the guy calm down. We stopped it when we caught him in his first lie of the day. Plumlee has lied so much since 92 it's not even funny. You have no clue. No clue [/b] [Yet Mr. Vernon supported Mr. Plumlee's story for over ten years and received money for his efforts] ...". It is now evident, by the following document Mr. Vernon perjured himself to the Texas authorities in 1994. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dallas, Texas -- November 18, 1994 Hearing MR. MARWELL: I understand that Karen Clem is not here today. I would ask Mr. Robert Vernon if he would like to give us a statement at this time. MR. VERNON: Thank you very much, Mr. Marwell. I appreciate it. There was one other gentleman who I don't believe has arrived yet, when you had mentioned to me on the phone yesterday it may be after lunch, I told him to take his time. He is not here, so you will see his name reflected in this transcription. I appreciate the opportunity to appear before you. Mr. Chairman and distinguished members of the Board, my name is Robert G. Vernon. The gentleman who is supposed to be with me now is John R. Stockwell, he is late. I am a television producer, and Mr. Stockwell is a former CIA case officer. He is a noted author and screenwriter. We are here representing, Truth Truth Truth, Incorporated, which is a nonprofit Texas corporation that was founded in 1989. Since their formation, Truth Truth Truth had conducted a private unbiased investigation into the death of John F. Kennedy. Mr. Stockwell and I were hired in early 1992 to write a, produce a television program and book highlighting the findings of Truth Truth Truth. Our findings are scheduled to be released in the immediate future in TV broadcast, home video, CD ROM and book form. The first participant in the JFK assassination discovered by Truth Truth Truth is a male African-American named Q.D. Urdy. Mr. Urdy received immunity from the United States Department of Justice in 1992 in exchange for his testimony. Mr. Urdy testified that he was ordered by Jack Ruby to acquire high-powered rifles with scopes in the early fall of 1963. Mr. Urdy stated that he then stole three rifles from a ranch in West Texas. The theft of these rifles has been verified by the ranch owners. Retired Dallas Police Officer Tom Tilson testified that he and his daughter observed Jack Ruby and three men dressed in suits, ties and hats taking target practice with rifles at a Dallas-Fort Worth firing range approximately five to seven days prior to the assassination. No other part of Mr. Urdy's lengthy testimony has been substantiated, although he does claim to have further information and knowledge of the events surrounding the assassination, both before and after the fact. The second participant discovered by Truth is male Caucasian Robert Tosh Plumlee, a CIA pilot. Mr. Plumlee has piloted and co-piloted clandestine CIA flights for over 31 years. He testified before the Church Committee in the 1970s and his CIA escapades have been well chronicled in magazine articles, books and congressional reports. Mr. Plumlee testified before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on August 2nd, 1990, and again in May of 1991. His testimony under oath has been classified as Top Secret. Senator John Kerry served as Chairman of the Senate Committee, John Wyner, I believe his name is, and Dick McCall, staff aides to Senator Kerry, questioned Mr. Plumlee in relation to the Contra resupply network behind closed doors. Mr. Plumlee testified to the U.S. Senate Committee and to Truth Truth Truth, Incorporated, that on the morning of November 22nd, 1963, he was a co-pilot on a top secret flight supported by the CIA. Mr. Plumlee's flight left Florida on November 21, 1963, and stopped in New Orleans and Houston before heading into Dallas, Texas, during the early morning hours of November 22nd, 1963. Mr. Plumlee testified that Philippe or Philippo Socko, alias John Roselli, a known Mafia/CIA double operative was onboard the plane to Dallas. Mr. Plumlee stated that Mr. Roselli departed the plane at Dallas Garland Airport shortly after 6:30 a.m. on the morning of November 22nd, 1963. Mr. Plumlee testified that he was informed that the flight was an abort mission, and that their assignment was to stop the assassination attempt on Kennedy's life. Mr. Plumlee testified that he was told this by his superior officers, and he has identified those officers. Mr. Plumlee testified that he was present in Dealey Plaza on the South Knoll at the time of the assassination. In the spring of 1992, the late George West, the founder of Truth Truth Truth received a call from Beaumont, Texas, FBI agent Zack Shelton. Agent Shelton requested an off-the-record meeting with Mr. West at a location between Houston and Beaumont. Agent Shelton and private investigator West also had a second meeting at which a noted Houston criminal attorney, Don Irving, was present. During the course of these meetings, Agent Shelton, a former member of the organized crime task force in Chicago, provided Mr. West and attorney Irving with a lead on James E. Files, alias James E. Sutton, a male Caucasian from Chicago currently incarcerated in the Stateville Correctional Center in Joliet, Illinois. Mr. Files is serving a 50-year term for the attempted murder of two police officers. His FBI rap sheet indicates a life filled with violent crimes. Agent Shelton informed investigator West and attorney Irving that the FBI had previously gathered information from an informant that Mr. Files has knowledge of the events that occurred in Dealey Plaza on November 22nd, 1963. Agent Shelton verified that Mr. Files was an associate and driver/bodyguard for one Charles Nicoletti, a known Mafia hitman from Chicago. Agent Shelton further stated that he had long suspected that Chicago mob members Sam Giancana, Charles Nicoletti and John Roselli were involved in the assassination of John F. Kennedy, but that he had no hard evidence to support his beliefs. On August the 16th and 17th, 1992, after an extensive search to locate the prisoner, investigator West spent several hours each day questioning James E. Files. During the August 17th, 1992, meeting, Mr. Files confessed that he was involved in the JFK assassination. Mr. Files confessed that he was present in Dealey Plaza and that Charles Nicoletti and John Roselli were also present in Dealey Plaza. Mr. Files further confessed that he had been recruited and worked for the CIA in the early 1960s, later becoming a driver for Charles Nicoletti of the Chicago Mafia. Investigator West died from complications following open heart surgery in February of 1993 after filing a legal action to exhume the body of John F. Kennedy which was filed in the 160th Judicial District in Dallas in the fall of 1992. On May 3rd, 1993, I visited James E. Files for the first time. Present with me was Mr. Barry Adelman, Vice President in charge of Television Development for Dick Clark Productions in Burbank, California. During our hour visit, James E. Files confessed that he fired the fatal last shot into the right front temple of John F. Kennedy from a firing position located behind the wooden stockade fence on the infamous Grassy Knoll. Mr. Files confessed that he fired a .222 shell at the President and that he left the empty casing on top of the fence. Mr. Files said that he had bitten down on the casing for that was a trait of his. He always placed the spent shells in his mouth after a job, as he called it. Files testified that his teeth marks were in the casing that he left behind in Dealey Plaza. Upon returning to Texas, we contacted a Mr. John Rodamacher, who I might point out is here today, of the Dallas area after we found news clippings about him in the files of Truth Truth Truth, Incorporated. In 1987, Mr. Rodamacher and his stepson were enjoying a father and son outing when they discovered a .222 casing buried in Dealey Plaza approximately four to six feet in front of the wooden stockade fence. The casing contained dents. Dr. Paul Stimpson of the University of Texas at Houston, a noted forensic odontologist who was recommended to us by the Houston Police Department examined the .222 casing in his lab. Dr. Stimpson issued a written medical legal opinion which states that the dents in the casing are teeth marks. We shared the confession of James E. Files with criminal attorney Don Irving, who agreed to visit Files in an effort to cross-examine Mr. Files to ascertain his validity. In June of 1993, Attorney Irving, a veteran of over 25 years of high profile criminal cases, spent almost seven hours with James E. Files at the Joliet Prison. Mr. Irving reported that he found no inconsistencies in Mr. Files confession. Mr. Irving issued a 17-page memo on his cross-examination of James E. Files and that memo has been included in your information packet for your confidential review. Following his visit with Mr. Files, Attorney Irving negotiated a deal with the FBI, the United States Department of Justice, to provide Mr. Files with immunity in order that his testimony could be heard by a special grand jury that was to be called following a nonofficial visit with Mr. Files at which Attorney Irving and the FBI were to be present. On August 3rd, 1993, Attorney Irving informed us that he had received word that the United States Attorney in Chicago had reviewed and approved the immunity agreement for James E. Files. Mr. Irving further stated that the government was to fly him and an FBI agent to the prison for the nonofficial visit with Mr. Files. On August 9th, 1993, two Chicago FBI agents made an unannounced visit to Mr. Files without the knowledge or consent of Attorney Irving or the prison. Mr. Files informed Attorney Irving that he was asked to agree that Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone assassin of John F. Kennedy. Shortly there after, Beaumont Agent Shelton was threatened with the loss of his FBI job and government pension. This fact was verified by both Attorney Irving and newly elected Texas District Judge Charles Carver of Beaumont, Texas. Agent Shelton has failed to respond to our numerous phone calls and the FBI has twice refused to allow me to interview Agent Shelton on camera. Following the discovery of James E. Files, Truth Truth Truth, Incorporated, and Dick Clark Productions entered into a production agreement for a special two-hour television program. Our program was sold to a major USA television network and was scheduled to be broadcast on May 18th, 1994. Approximately three weeks before the broadcast, a conservative conspiracy researcher author who has made a full career out of denying any CIA involvement in the JFK assassination and who blames the assassination fully on the KGB and Oswald vigorously challenged the project, and the program was placed on hold by the network. It is the intent of Truth Truth Truth, Incorporated, to provide the Assassination Records Review Board with a complete and accurate accounting of the entire investigation. The accounting will include all evidence we have gathered. We would like to call your special attention to the medical legal report issued by Dr. Randolph Robertson a noted radiologist from Nashville, Tennessee, it is included in your packet in full with Dr. Robertson's permission. Dr. Robertson was granted rare access to the autopsy X-rays and photos of JFK which are in the National Archives in Washington, D.C. During his examination of the skull pictures and X-rays of the President, Dr. Robertson discovered a second bullet wound in the skull. Dr. Robertson's medical legal opinion states that at least one more assassin of President Kennedy remains to be identified. Dr. Robertson further states that the second wound in the skull is consistent with a shot fired from the right front Grassy Knoll area. We ask that the Board review our evidence and Dr. Robertson's report, investigate our findings and release your official opinion of our findings in your final report to the President of the United States and the American public at the end of your term as is designated in your mandate through which your Board was formed. In closing, we ask that you consider recommending to the President and to the American people that a special grand jury be called to hear the testimony of Q.D. Urdy and Robert Tosh Plumlee and most certainly James E. Files. This was the original plan as per the understanding between Truth Truth Truth, Incorporated, Attorney Don Irving, and the United States Department of Justice according to Attorney Irving. [This is an interesting statement to make in view Mr. Vernon thought at the time of the 1992 interview that Mr. Plumlee was a xxxx] I thank you, and I would be happy to answer any questions that you might have. CHAIRMAN TUNHEIM: Thank you, Mr. Vernon. Questions? [No response.] CHAIRMAN TUNHEIM: We appreciate all the materials that you have provided. MR. VERNON: It is rather lengthy and there is quite a bit more, and anything else you would like to see, have Mr. Marwell contact me. There is also quite a bit of video that I think you would be extremely interested in. DR. HALL: Mr. Vernon, in the course of carrying out production and investigation here have you come across or has your attention been brought to any records created by any public officials that are held in the hands of those officials that would otherwise be considered to the public documents? MR. VERNON: There are quite a few records that we would be happy to give you, our copies. Some of ours are copies, some of ours are originals. I was glad to see the gentleman from the -- I believe it was Texas Tech earlier with the Waggoner Carr stuff. We had access to some of that earlier Waggoner Carr stuff, and that was very interesting. We would be glad to give you what we have there, and there are lots of transcriptions and there are several other documents. I don't know which you are aware of, but we will be glad to give you them, sir. DR. HALL: Thank you. MR. VERNON: Thank you, sir. CHAIRMAN TUNHEIM: Thank you, Mr. Vernon, we appreciate your being here today. END OF MR VERNON'S STATEMENT TO COMMITTEE Edited December 4, 2004 by William Plumlee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawn Meredith Posted December 4, 2004 Share Posted December 4, 2004 "Ouch! Please don't cancel my membership. I've always considered myself a worldly person, but I could have never dreamed what I have been put through. I will try to be careful and thoughtful. I'm grateful for the fellowship of this forum."Tim, so glad you reconsidered. I always thought you were "careful and thoughtful". But as JFK said, "when the going gets tough, the tough get going". Don't let this crapola bring you down. I'm behind you 100%. Richard <{POST_SNAPBACK}> ___________________ Richard, I did not mean to overreact to you post about me, your hypo, on the rules of the forum thread. I am new to forums, I don't know you people. I am sick of the name calling. Period. I have had a long hard work week and there was a phone message saying someone called me "CIA" on the forum. If I have made one mistake here it's taking it upon myself to try to figure out who is for real and who is not. I have decided that on a forum that's an impossiblility. My husband finally convinced me of this last night. But he is not one who has been consumed with a desire for justice on the murder of jfk for now 41 years. So it's easy for him to tell me "don't take it so personally". I do. With that I am withdrawing from such activity on this forum and going back to the real world. I have had a great week in court, only to come home at night to this madness.....the fights, that I , in vein, have stepped into, tried to "fix" some of it. I cannot. Not leaving the forum, just stepping back some. Dawn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wim Dankbaar Posted December 4, 2004 Share Posted December 4, 2004 (edited) Tosh, Don't exhaust yourself. I believe it is abundantly clear for everyone that Dr Truth can change his agenda like his clothes. http://groups.google.nl/groups?hl=nl&lr=&t....conspiracy.jfk Listen to this story and judge Mr. Vernon's defense to John Simkin for yourself: http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/film/RGVp1.rm http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/film/RGVpt2.rm http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/film/RGVpt3.rm Wim Edited December 4, 2004 by Wim Dankbaar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Simkin Posted December 4, 2004 Author Share Posted December 4, 2004 As you know, Bob Vernon has been making attacks on myself and this forum for several months on the JFK Research Forum. Understandably I have been challenging the statements being made by Vernon. However, I was warned by the administrators that I should not do this. I continued to do so and today my membership was cancelled. This means that I am not able to reply or see the comments he is making. I know that several members of the JFK Assassination Forum are also members of this forum. Please keep me informed of what attacks he might make on me. I suspect they will get worse now that he knows I can’t reply. In his last posting he said the following: Sadly, Simkin, your forum features posts by people who, long ago, were sent packing by Rich and these valid researchers here. The kids that visit Simkin, like the poor misguided kid from Rhode Island, believe a lot of what they read there. These kids are very impressionable and their minds and the growth of their minds deserve the truth. The truth from their parents and friends and the truth from where they go to seek education. And that is why, tomorrow morning, I will be contacting the good folks in the United Kingdom that regulate and are the watchdogs for the educational system in that country. I will be sending them information regarding the problems with the Simkin forum that I see and have experienced and several other researchers have contacted me privately to ask me if I would consider doing this to try to help the children that are lured there. I certainly will. Be glad to do so. If any of the members of this esteemed forum have any suggestions as to how I should word my communications to the officials in the UK or have any further evidence of falsehoods being presented on the JFK part of Simkin's forum, please do not hesitate to contact me via private email and I will gladly forward your information along with mine and I won't even use your names to do so unless you want me to. This is of course just another attempt at trying to stop me from allowing people like Wim Dankbaar, Tosh Plumlee, Judyth Baker and Daniel Marvin from posting on the forum. Although I may not agree with what these people say, I am determined to give them the freedom to say it. It is ironic that members of the JFK research community should use such methods. After all, one of the reasons we have been unable to discover the truth of these events is that the perpetrators were able to use threats like these to intimidate people into silence. I would therefore like someone to post the following message on the JFK Research Forum. I am an ex-teacher and so the Department for Education and Employment does not have a great deal of power over me. At the age of 65 I am due a pension from them so I suppose you could try to get that stopped. I don’t think you will have much success in this. In the UK we believe in freedom of speech and therefore it is highly unlikely they will respond to your request. However, please try it, it might educate you in the ways that European government's behave. They are far from perfect but I doubt very much if they would sink to those methods. Here are the details you will require: Department for Education and Employment Sanctury Buildings Great Smith Street London SW1P 3BT http://www.dfes.gov.uk/ complaints.peu@dfes.gsi.gov.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wim Dankbaar Posted December 4, 2004 Share Posted December 4, 2004 (edited) John, You have no obligation whatsoever to respond to Vernon's asinine attacks and certainly not on a forum that kicks you out. By the way, the same happened to me there, despite just having paid my 25 bucks contribution, Mr. della Rosa still claims I "resigned voluntarily". It was another reason though, the reason was that I defended Judyth Baker and I expressed disgust with Mr. della Rosa deleting my posts. Hey, and you and I may not agree on Files, I may not always admire your conduct and vice versa, but that doesn't take away from the fact that you run the most objective and decent forum on the Internet. And it's getting better and crowdier all the time. Make no mistake about it. Actually it reflects best on those who completely ignore Vernon, like Zack Shelton and Jim Marrs, but I'm also the first to admit how difficult that is, despite the repeated advice I get on that. If you go to the Google newsgroup, you'll see you're by far not the only one he manages to piss off. Don't you think that people make up their own mind, when they see what's going on? I don't believe they need to know every detail to get the picture. Wim BTW, you must hope that Vernon sends that letter to the Department for Education and Employment. He is crazy enough to do it (see all his other letters up to the White House), and that will certainly be understood by the receiving party, and it will tell them more about Vernon than about you and this forum. Edited December 4, 2004 by Wim Dankbaar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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