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I was very troubled by the removal of David Josephs and the resignation of Paul Brancato. There are members whose threads I wish to ignore. Please could instructions be provided for this and the consequences explained.

1. I wish to ignore posters who expound a theory but don' t make a case for it repeatedley.

2. I wish to ignore posters whose overidding objective appears to be disruption.

These are my subjective and personal decisions. I don't believe there is a group or moderator solution to this issue.

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Eddy, I have never used the ignore function but I just looked into it for you. I am using an iPad. I clicked on my name in the upper right hand corner, and a drop down list includes "ignored users". Click on that and you can enter: " Name of user". You are then offered some options, like, if you want to just ignore their signature, posts, etc. Then click add user.

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7 hours ago, David Josephs said:

"With all due respect" is as offensive as "trust me" and carries as much meaning.  None.

"Due" respect is completely subjective... A backhanded insult in reality...  You see that, right?

When capital "t" is more important than the content of his post Or the subject at hand... Who is showing the disrespect ?

Without the expectation and enforcement of intellectual honesty, what is the basis for moderation?  A bad word or ongoing trolling of a topic?  Opinions stated as fact or spelling/grammar?

Free speech in a membership setting Still requires the expectation of respect with intelligent disagreement... Setting up a soapbox in every thread to scream "the Russians did it" and then provide nothing but the color of the soapbox brings everyone down...

Agree with you, David

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This morning I noted that there were 762 reads of the thread and 13 responses - and that included the multiple responses by two members who used the thread to continue their own discussions. It would appear that the majority of members who read the thread do not share my views and have ignored the thread. In all good conscience I cannot accept remaining with the status quo and all the issues that has provoked and also be expected to fund this forum - as I have done for a number of years. I will stop payments to Invision after April 4th. That means this forum is funded until May 11th - approximately 7 weeks. What happens now to the EF is for the membership to decide.

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1 hour ago, James R Gordon said:

This morning I noted that there were 762 reads of the thread and 13 responses - and that included the multiple responses by two members who used the thread to continue their own discussions. It would appear that the majority of members who read the thread do not share my views and have ignored the thread. In all good conscience I cannot accept remaining with the status quo and all the issues that has provoked and also be expected to fund this forum - as I have done for a number of years. I will stop payments to Invision after April 4th. That means this forum is funded until May 11th - approximately 7 weeks. What happens now to the EF is for the membership to decide.

 

James,

Thanks for the heads up.

How much will it cost to keep it going?

Thanks,

--  Tommy  :sun

PS  Honest question:  If I make a sizable donation, would you promise to keep it a secret?

 

 

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James:

There may be many people who will respond after the weekend (especially this weekend, with St. Patrick's Day AND a rugby Gland Slam AND Rory McIlroy winning the golf tournament in the USA last night AND a Bank Holiday today here in Ireland!), so perhaps giving them a little more time before deciding to let it slip into obscurity might hopefully elicit more responses. I - for one - would certainly be extremely sorry to see the demise of this Forum.

For myself, my slow response was partly due to the fact that I was trying to figure out how to get the IGNORE facility to work, which Michael Clark kindly explained to us a few hours ago (Thanks, Michael). As a result, I have set a few people to IGNORE status, and if that works, and if others were to follow suit, the people concerned might begin to get the message that their vitriolic and (in a few cases) foul, potty-mouthed contributions are neither appreciated nor wanted.

In terms of your own comments and your point of view, I totally agree with you, and I think Mark Knight's words were also very well chosen. The English language is a very rich and powerful one, but it is also flexible to the point where unscrupulous people can say one thing while clearly meaning another. So I totally agree - language IS important, as is respect for the POV of others, and indeed RESPECT as a general concept. Sadly, this is not the only Forum where the most basic standards of human decency to one's fellow man (and woman) have slid to an level which is unacceptable to many of us. However, the level of moderation needed to control the few are totally beyond the level that we, the membership, should ask of you and your team. Accordingly, I would recommend wholeheartedly that those of us who are interested in intelligent and civil discourse on the true subject matter of this Forum (as opposed to some of the totally insane theories which are sometimes peddled here and elsewhere) consider the simple option of ignoring all posts from those who seek to bring this Forum to its knees. To allow the Forum to close is to allow the keyboard bullies and loonies to get exactly what they wanted in the first place, and I would hate to think that we allowed that to happen through our inaction.

Just my tuppence worth !!!

Chris

 

 

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1 hour ago, Thomas Graves said:

 

James,

Thanks for the heads up.

How much will it cost to keep it going?

Thanks,

--  Tommy  :sun

PS  Honest question:  If I make a sizable donation, would you promise to keep it a secret?

 

 

Thomas, i think it more had to do with this, which he asked yesterday,

"I want to make one more comment today. Mark Knight is right we do all have other commitments - though not the demands that Mark has from the needs of his family member. And I usually rely on members reporting rather than actively monitoring this site

Mark is a much more restrained admin member than I. Many is the time he has counselled me from positions I wanted to take. Aside from Mark and Paul, I want to hear if there actually are members who also feel that the use of language is important in the quality of discussion. I honestly am not sure the general membership feel it is important and one member has already insulted me and this thread.

So I would like to know, am I the only one who is concerned?" (Bolds mine.)

 

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Mr. Gordon - I can understand how it feels when you ask for a discussion on the future of the forum, and whether members feel that language matters, and you get posters positioning themselves, or bickering with each other rather than addressing your questions. 

Can we all agree to address each other with the names we prefer to be called? Can we agree to try to let go of past slights? Can we ignore those we still don’t wish to engage with, and keep our public discussions free of personal attacks? 

 

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16 minutes ago, Kathy Beckett said:

Thomas, i think it more had to do with this, which he asked yesterday,

"I want to make one more comment today. Mark Knight is right we do all have other commitments - though not the demands that Mark has from the needs of his family member. And I usually rely on members reporting rather than actively monitoring this site

Mark is a much more restrained admin member than I. Many is the time he has counselled me from positions I wanted to take. Aside from Mark and Paul, I want to hear if there actually are members who also feel that the use of language is important in the quality of discussion. I honestly am not sure the general membership feel it is important and one member has already insulted me and this thread.

So I would like to know, am I the only one who is concerned?" 

 

 

Kathy,

Thank you.  I realize that yours and James' responsibilities (and those of the other persons with official roles at The Forum) must be very stressful and time-consuming.

Regardless, this is the part of James' post that I was referring to:

"I cannot accept remaining with the status quo and all the issues that has provoked and also be expected to fund this forum - as I have done for a number of years. I will stop payments to Invision after April 4th. That means this forum is funded until May 11th - approximately 7 weeks. What happens now to the EF is for the membership to decide."

--  TG  :sun

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Yes, i understand that, but can you answer the question he is asking? That is what he really wants. That's why he's throwing in the towel.

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Thanks, James and all moderators, for keeping this Forum going. I did not answer the question whether the manners and language matter because I am a relatively new member and thought that senior members should speak first. Of course, the language does matter.

This Forum is extremely important for the entire JFK assassination research and should continue. As per donations, I have tried to make a donation about a month ago but I was not successful - some glitch in the software?

The language in our posts is important. It is every Forum member's duty to learn how to disagree. Politeness, ability to admit the conditioned and only probable value of every (even own) statement, and addressing substantial questions are needed. Some Forum members take this Forum as a kind of FaceBook and spend basically their whole waking day on the Forum, answering compulsively to any thread. After a very short time, their messages become shallow and have no substance. They then often revert to a very personal, intrusive style of posting. 

This Forum could be much better if people consider the value of their post first.  Posting less may improve the quality of the posts of many members. Posting less would also give more time to the frequent posters for own research and elaboration of topics. 

Again, please let us know how could standard members help in keeping this Forum to be a place where knowledge and information on a delicate topic is exchanged freely.  My recommendation would be that, besides language, less posting and observing the content and objective of own posts could be a way forward.

 

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43 minutes ago, Kathy Beckett said:

Yes, i understand that, but can you answer the question he is asking? That is what he really wants. That's why he's throwing in the towel.

Kathy,

Well, in an attempt to get some clarification from Mark Knight (whose e-mail or PM James quoted in an earlier post), I sent a PM to Mark, but I've yet to hear back from him.

Regardless, I hope that you've noticed that I've been a bit less cynical, sarcastic, t-r-o-l-l -like, etc. during the past 24 hours or so, and that Paul B. has actually complemented me on that.

Thank you,

--  TG  :sun

EDIT:  OOPS, I JUST NOW CHECKED AND FOUND OUT THAT MY "IN BOX" IS FULL.  WILL DELETE SOME OLDER PMs PRONTO!

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I too believe that language matters. I believe in polite and civil discussion, and have been slow to respond because I don't know what else to say. Such belief should go without saying, the question is what to do when a poster simply doesn't share that belief.

I almost left the forum once due to one poster's vile statements and accusations directed at me with impunity (about matters not even related to JFK). The offender left at some point thereafter, apparently of his own accord. Parting is such sweet sorrow.

Some moderation seems necessary. (I believe in "moderation in all things.") Perhaps if other forum members would promptly call out a poster for being impolite and uncivil, that would solve the problem without having to depend on otherwise busy moderators. Perhaps a motto of the forum in this respect should be "nip it in the bud." If a poster ignores the admonitions of fellow members, treating such admonitions as no more than personal attacks deserving the same, then moderators should take action.

 

 

 

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27 minutes ago, Ron Ecker said:

I too believe that language matters. I believe in polite and civil discussion, and have been slow to respond because I don't know what else to say. Such belief should go without saying, the question is what to do when a poster simply doesn't share that belief.

I almost left the forum once due to one poster's vile statements and accusations directed at me with impunity (about matters not even related to JFK). The offender left at some point thereafter, apparently of his own accord. Parting is such sweet sorrow.

Some moderation seems necessary. (I believe in "moderation in all things.") Perhaps if other forum members would promptly call out a poster for being impolite and uncivil, that would solve the problem without having to depend on otherwise busy moderators. Perhaps a motto of the forum in this respect should be "nip it in the bud." If a poster ignores the admonitions of fellow members, treating such admonitions as no more than personal attacks deserving the same, then moderators should take action.

 

Ron,

 

I agree with you, totally.


"Very well-spoken, sir" if I do say so, myself.

 

One could only hope that a member whose political and JFK assassination views are radically contrary to the vast majority's here would be able to "call out" the rudeness and/or incivilities which other members, even "highly respected, perhaps published" members may direct at him or her either on a continuous basis or as a one time "hit and run" attack, without incurring the communicated wrath of like-minded members.

 

--  TG    :sun

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