Mervyn Hagger Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 Question: Was the bubble top bullet proof? If it was, or even if it would have only deflected bullets from their original trajectory, then it presents a problem for a premeditated conspiracy, unless the conspiracy included the person who ordered its removal and possibly the person who removed it. Follow-up question: What if the bubble top had not been removed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamela Brown Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 1 hour ago, Mervyn Hagger said: Question: Was the bubble top bullet proof? If it was, or even if it would have only deflected bullets from their original trajectory, then it presents a problem for a premeditated conspiracy, unless the conspiracy included the person who ordered its removal and possibly the person who removed it. Follow-up question: What if the bubble top had not been removed? No, it was not. It was made of plexiglas. It would have deflected a bullet however, and created a lot of noise when a bullet shattered it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mervyn Hagger Posted May 26, 2018 Author Share Posted May 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, Pamela Brown said: No, it was not. It was made of plexiglas. It would have deflected a bullet however, and created a lot of noise when a bullet shattered it. Hi Pam. So if it had not been removed then there could not have been a guarantee that aimed shots would find their mark? Mervyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamela Brown Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 27 minutes ago, Mervyn Hagger said: Hi Pam. So if it had not been removed then there could not have been a guarantee that aimed shots would find their mark? Mervyn Yes. If any of the six pieces had been in place, the assassination would not have been successful, imo. Ironically, the weather in the am was rainy and it was not until the last minute, supposedly, that the SS decided to leave the limo completely open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Clark Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 Hi Pamela,, Was the bubble top used with any frequency? Are there any pics of it in use? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evan Marshall Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 Actually it may or may not have deflected a shot. When I was the training sgt for the swat team in Detroit we did a lot of research on shooting thru glass and other barriers and with the bullet technology of 1986 we reached the conclusion that to reliably get inside a car we needed a 12 gauge shotgun loaded with rifle slugs or a .308 rifle AND when bullet of any caliber hit curved tempered glass the results were often unpredictable and potentially dangerous to bystanders! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Clark Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 2 hours ago, Mervyn Hagger said: Question: Was the bubble top bullet proof? If it was, or even if it would have only deflected bullets from their original trajectory, then it presents a problem for a premeditated conspiracy, unless the conspiracy included the person who ordered its removal and possibly the person who removed it. Follow-up question: What if the bubble top had not been removed? Not really Mervyn, You are assuming that the conspiracy unfolded exactly as planned, and exactly as the Warren Omission says it did. There were plenty of ways to kill JFK that day. And he was going to be killed whether they could pin it on LHO or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamela Brown Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 6 minutes ago, Michael Clark said: Hi Pamela,, Was the bubble top used with any frequency? Are there any pics of it in use? Yes, regularly. There are a lot of photos. Here are a few: https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=jfk+limo+bubbletop&FORM=HDRSC2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evan Marshall Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 It needs to be remembered that the bubble top was for visibility not executive protection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mervyn Hagger Posted May 26, 2018 Author Share Posted May 26, 2018 4 minutes ago, Michael Clark said: Not really Mervyn, You are assuming that the conspiracy unfolded exactly as planned, and exactly as the Warren Omission says it did. There were plenty of ways to kill JFK that day. And he was going to be killed whether they could pin it on LHO or not. Hi Mike. I am not assuming anything. The fact of the matter is that JFK was shot in his car. That is the only fact you have. Everything else is speculation in which LBJ might have been shot, or Earl Warren might have been shot or anyone else anywhere might have been shot. But the only fact that exists is that JFK was shot in his car in Dallas. So my point is, if that bubble top had not been removed then all of the rest of the speculative ideas would be null and void, if he was not shot when he was shot and where he was shot. Who shot him is another matter. Mervyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mervyn Hagger Posted May 26, 2018 Author Share Posted May 26, 2018 15 minutes ago, Evan Marshall said: Actually it may or may not have deflected a shot. When I was the training sgt for the swat team in Detroit we did a lot of research on shooting thru glass and other barriers and with the bullet technology of 1986 we reached the conclusion that to reliably get inside a car we needed a 12 gauge shotgun loaded with rifle slugs or a .308 rifle AND when bullet of any caliber hit curved tempered glass the results were often unpredictable and potentially dangerous to bystanders! Hi Evan. You hit the nail on the head. Without that bubble top removed, a bullet of the type that hit JFK in the head might have hit him, or it might not have hit him. But the sound of ricocheting bullets hitting the bubble top would have given the driver a chance to step on the gas and get out of harm's way. It seems to me that it was essential to remove the bubble top for a good chance of killing JFK. Mervyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Clark Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 4 minutes ago, Mervyn Hagger said: Hi Mike. I am not assuming anything. The fact of the matter is that JFK was shot in his car. That is the only fact you have. Everything else is speculation in which LBJ might have been shot, or Earl Warren might have been shot or anyone else anywhere might have been shot. But the only fact that exists is that JFK was shot in his car in Dallas. So my point is, if that bubble top had not been removed then all of the rest of the speculative ideas would be null and void, if he was not shot when he was shot and where he was shot. Who shot him is another matter. Mervyn You can't get to the truth without speculation. That is the scientific method. You take a hypothesis and then try to disprove it. We know that LHO did not do it. So spaculation, hypothesis, and the testing of theories is the only path to the truth. Your conclusion that the bubble top would have foiled the plan to Assassinate JFK that day is speculation that I find unsustainable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mervyn Hagger Posted May 26, 2018 Author Share Posted May 26, 2018 1 minute ago, Michael Clark said: You can't get to the truth without speculation. That is the scientific method. You take a hypothesis and then try to disprove it. We know that LHO did not do it. So spaculation, hypothesis, and the testing of theories is the only path to the truth. Your conclusion that the bubble top would have foiled the plan to Assassinate JFK that day is speculation that I find unsustainable. Hi Mike. You make a statement that LHO "did not do it". That is your opinion based upon no demonstrable evidence. It is a theory held by some. You could not take that into a court of law because an army of people would disagree with you. If you read what I wrote, you will see that I posed two questions. It was answered by others who stated that bullets may or may not have hit JFK. Mervyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Clark Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, Mervyn Hagger said: Hi Mike. You make a statement that LHO "did not do it". That is your opinion based upon no demonstrable evidence. It is a theory held by some. You could not take that into a court of law because an army of people would disagree with you. If you read what I wrote, you will see that I posed two questions. It was answered by others who stated that bullets may or may not have hit JFK. Mervyn Mervyn, you stated... "...even if it would have only deflected bullets from their original trajectory, then it presents a problem for a premeditated conspiracy, unless the conspiracy included the person who ordered its removal and possibly the person who removed it." .... You did more than ask questions. You made the above and subsequent arguments which are fallicies by the nature of the assumptions iimbedded in them. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mervyn Hagger Posted May 26, 2018 Author Share Posted May 26, 2018 9 minutes ago, Michael Clark said: Mervyn, you stated... "...even if it would have only deflected bullets from their original trajectory, then it presents a problem for a premeditated conspiracy, unless the conspiracy included the person who ordered its removal and possibly the person who removed it." .... You did more than ask questions. You made the above and subsequent arguments which are fallicies by the nature of the assumptions iimbedded in them. Michael Michael, I began by asking two related questions. No conclusions. No speculation. I asked questions. Others added the "may or may not" part in reply. Therefore, based ONLY on my two questions that began this thread (nothing to do with as LHO guilty or not guilty), and the fact that JFK was killed by a bullet to the head in Dallas while sitting in his car, others said that maybe and maybe not that a bullet would have hit JFK in the manner that it did. What I added was that the added noise factor, while keeping in mind that an obstruction has now been placed in front of the shooter, would have alerted the driver that something untoward was occurring. So no speculation, and no assumption. Just questions asked by me and answered by others. The question is unrelated to LHO. Mervyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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