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On 7/21/2018 at 6:47 AM, Jim Hargrove said:

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Jim,

 

I thought you might a little confirmation of Moltzon's bona fides:

529thOrdnanceCo.

http://nikeordnance.nikemissile.org/unitSelect.php?tableSelector=529thOrdnanceCo

 

Name: Rick Moltzon
StartDate: 1962-02-01 00:00:00
EndDate: 03/64
Rank: SP5
MOS-Title: 304.1, Weapons Electronic Maint. Tech

 

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Good posts here, though Cory never responded when I asked him about the curious source he used to start this thread.

Gene - thanks for the great summary. Yesterday I read the relevant passages in Dick Russell’s book. The trip to Luxembourg, left out of most published accounts on Dinkin, struck a chord with me. The CIA station Chief there in 1963 was Arnold Silver if I’m not mistaken. Silver recruited QJWIN for Harvey. He was avCounter Intelligence Corp veteran who pushed for Otto Skorzeny to be released after his ‘interrogation’ of hm at Camp King in Oberursel Germany. He said in his own words that Skorzeny was not a Nazi, just a Patriot. Is it possible that Dinkin began his attempt to warn authorities in Luxembourg for reasons other than geographical convenience?

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This is really  interesting now.

Good find  Steve.  I thought the stuff about NSA intercepts was an assumption by Garrison.  But now it appears it had a  firm basis in the guy's work record.

Again, this is one of those things that Garrison surfaced, investigated but did not have the resources to follow through to fruition.

The HSCA should have done that.  But alas, we know what happened there.

 

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9 hours ago, Gene Kelly said:

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Dinkin’s name first came up in the Garrison investigation, where, like many leads, his name first appeared.  Interviews with some of Dinkin’s former Army associates led to the conclusion that he had been hospitalized until he memorized a cover story.  As Garrison’s people pieced the story together, they discovered that one of Dinkin’s duties as a code breaker had been to decipher telegraphic traffic that originated with the French OAS. 

Author Dick Russell included quite a bit of Dinkin’s information in his book The Man Who Knew Too Much. Noel Twyman also covered some of Dinkin’s story in Bloody Treason. Neither of these writers used the psychological set examples that Dinkin subsequently provided to the HSCA.  Russell obliquely refers to material in publications as part ofMoltzon' a cover story that Dinkin came up with to account for where he thought he had learned about the plot. Russell writes that some of the military associates Garrison’s investigators talked to told the DA that while he was hospitalized, Dinkin was made to recite a cover story. This may be because when Garrison dug deeper into Dinkin, he discovered that one of his functions as a code breaker was to decipher messages from the French OAS.  Not sure where this came from or how/who told Garrison, but it resonates since the OAS disliked Kennedy for his alliance with DeGaulle as well as Kennedy’s  advocacy for independence for the French colony of Algeria.  As Henry Hurt later discovered, a member of the OAS (Secret Army Organization) was in Fort Worth the morning of the assassination, and in Dallas that afternoon. He was picked up within 48 hours and expelled back to France.  Researcher Lisa Pease noted that there were allegations that he was NSA, detailed to Army in Europe. See the excellent October 2017 article by Ronald Redmon in Kennedy's and King entitled "Eugene Dinkin, The Saga of an Unsung Hero".

The rumor of a visit to the Soviet Embassy is new.  What is well documented is that on October 25, 1963, Dinkin went to the US Embassy at Luxembourg where, he stated, he attempted to see the Charge d'Affaires, who refused to see him or to review the newspapers and research papers which Dinkin claimed were evidence of the impending assassination. Following this incident, Dinkin was notified by his superiors that he was to undergo psychiatric evaluation on November 5th. Dinkin then went absent without leave , where he attempted to present his story to the editor of the Geneva Diplomat.  Dinkin also spoke to a Newsweek reporter based in Geneva who did not listen to Dinkin's allegations.  He then attempted to contact officials of Time-Life  and succeeded in speaking to the secretary in Zurich.  After these unsuccessful efforts, Dinkin returned to Germany where he gave himself up to the custody of the military, whereupon he was "hospitalized" at Landstuhl General Hospital in a closed psychiatric ward until JFK was killed.

Eugene B. Dinkin was the subject of a closed investigation by the Office of the Assistant Chief of Staff, G-2, United States Army Communications Zone, Europe.  Dinkin was reassigned to Walter Reed Hospital, Washington D.C., as a patient on December 3rd and was ordered to proceed to that destination on the 4th (apparently skipping typical diagnosis that he was schizophrenic, psychotic, history of depression, delusions of persecution.  There he was given therapy to help him deal with his unfortunate condition of "schizoid-assassination prognostication syndrome".  He was made to understand, that if his condition did not improve, he would undergo electric shock treatment, whereupon his condition dramatically "improved." He was released from Walter Reed Hospital and the U.S. Army on a medical discharge.   Dinkin's described his medical treatment:

I began receiving “therapy” to help me understand that my warning of the assassination had been “coincidental” and represented a projection of hostility toward authority figures in my family and a displacement of my internal conflicts about inability to adjust to military life. In order to “get well” I was to understand that in approaching European ambassadors I was “really looking for attention and assistance to obtain psychiatric treatment.” I was let to understand that if my condition did not improve that I could be treated with electric shock treatment and feigned cooperation and understanding of my unfortunate condition (schizoid-assassination prognostication) and pretended to participate in group therapy and pharmacological treatment (I faked swallowing pills throughout). I was given an injection of a strong drug which left me dazed and was then introduced to a “psychologist from Case Institute of Cleveland” and told that be was conducting a research project requiring my cooperation. I was then required to free associate to a list of words while a tape recorder was in process of recording.”

Gene

I just wanted to repost Gene's wonderful summary on this page, for anyone who might have missed it previously.  Thanks, Gene!

To Steve Thomas,

Thanks for the confirmation that Moltzon did indeed serve in the 529th.  JIm Di is right... this is a fascinating thread.  Wish I knew more.

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https://thefreethoughtproject.com/documents-reveal-two-us-soldiers-overheard-plot-to-kill-jfk-and-were-committed-after-reporting-it/

 

https://www.activistpost.com/2018/07/documents-reveal-two-us-soldiers-overheard-plot-to-kill-jfk-and-were-committed-after-reporting-it.html

 

I also saw the story on a website associated with Jim Fetzer.

Outside of the records released, if you are asking do I know more about the website showing this story which I cited above, the answer is no, I found it while searching for something else actually.

 

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I've been doing a little research.

 

On October 19, 2017, Jim DiEugenio opened a thread on this Forum entitled, “Eugene Dinkin: The Saga of an Unsung Hero.” Jim's thread was predicated on an article of the same title written by a man named Ronald Redmon, and published on the website

https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/eugene-dinkin-the-saga-of-an-unsung-hero

 

Based on reasearch he had discovered in files that were recently released in the 1990's, Mr. Redmon wrote, “Regular Army Private First Class Dinkin was serving in Metz, France in the 599th Ordinance Group”

 

At the time, I expressed skepticism of Dinkin's story because I could find no record of a 599th Ordinance or Ordnance Group in Europe in the 1950's or 60's.

 

However, what I have learned in the meantime has caused me to change my thinking. I can't prove that what he claimed was true, but Dinkin was where he said he was. Without seeing his service record, I do not know if he was a “cryptographic operator”, but now, I don't see any reason to doubt it.

 

CD 943 is a memorandum from Richard Helms of May 19, 1964 to J. Lee Rankin which identified Pvt. Dinkin as having U.S. Army serial number RA 76710292

(I've learned that RA stands for Regular Army).

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=11339#relPageId=2&tab=page

 

CD 788 said that on February 18, 1964, local Army records in Metz, France correctly reported Dinkin's serial number as 16710292. However, in that same FBI Letterhead memo of April 9, 1964 which comprises CD 788, it says that, “Dinkin advised that he had been in trouble with the officers of his military group, the 599th Ordnance Group stationed in Germany...”

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=11186#relPageId=7&tab=page

See p. 4.

(Notice the difference in serial numbers).

 

On January 1, 2011 Bernice Moore opened a thread on the Deep Politics Forum entitled, “The strange tale of eugene dinkin..PRE KNOWLEDGE.”. In her thread, Bernice references an essay called “The Strange Tale of Eugene Dinkins” by a Robert Mitchell.

https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?5734-The-strange-tale-of-eugene-dinkin-PRE-KNOWLEDGE#.W1XbtsInaM9

 

In Mary Ferrell's Database, it identifies Dinkin as having U.S, Army serial number as RA 76710292.

https://www.maryferrell.org/php/marysdb.php?id=3339

 

Dinkin List of CIA cables:

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=26509#relPageId=3&tab=page

see pp. 3, 4

 

CIA cable 22-531 is an interesting one. You can see a copy here:

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=50238&search="Michael_K.+Bowers"#relPageId=2&tab=page

 

Someone using Michael Bowers name was traveling in Switzerland. The person using Bowers' name did not match the physical description of Eugene Dinkin as provided by newsmen and ODIBEX. In other sources, ODIBEX appears to be the U.S. Army. The cable says that, “Description of Dinkin from ODIBEX and newsmen he contacted stated that he had heavy black mustache, wore horn rim glasses.”

CIA station in Bern wonders who this person could be.

 

On July 21, 2018, Jim Hargrove posted an entry in the Education Forum in a thread entitled, “Records release regarding intercepted messages.”

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/25068-records-release-regarding-intercepted-messages/

 

In his entry, Jim referred readers to the John Armstrong Collection of materials on Dinkin at Baylor University here:

http://digitalcollections.baylor.edu/cdm/compoundobject/collection/po-arm/id/23494/rec/7

and quoted a letter on page 2 of those documents from a Richard Moltzon to Jim Garrison dated September 16, 1967. In his letter, Moltzon wrote that he had been stationed with Eugene Dinkin in the 529th Ordnance Company in Germany.

There was a 529th Ordnance Co.

529th Ordnance Co.

http://nikeordnance.nikemissile.org/unitSelect.php?tableSelector=529thOrdnanceCo

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Name: Rick Moltzon
StartDate: 1962-02-01 00:00:00
EndDate: 03/64
Rank: SP5
MOS-Title: 304.1, Weapons Electronic Maint. Tech

 

The 529th Ordnance Co. was stationed in Massweiler, Germany as part of the 71st. Ordnance Group, and did do nuclear weapons assembly work under the Advanced Weapons Support Command (AWSCOM) which was activated in March, 1959. There were crytographic operators working with those units in the 71st who held Top Secret clearances.

See a history of the 71st Ordnance Group here:

https://www.usarmygermany.com/Sont.htm?https&&&www.usarmygermany.com/Units/Ordnance/USAREUR_Ordnance%20Troop%20List.htm

 

On pp. 12-14 of the Armstrong collection of documents, there is a three-page handwritten letter from Eugene Dinkin to Jacqueline Hess of the Senate Select Committee on Assassinations (SSCA) dated March 10, 1977.

http://digitalcollections.baylor.edu/utils/getfile/collection/po-arm/id/23494/filename/23488.pdfpage/page/12


 

On pp. 12-13 of that letter, Dinkin wrote that, “T.D. Smith III (top photo) is known to me, as he, attired in the white tunic of a physician, interviewed me at Walter Reed Hospital in February, 1964.... Banta? Bantu? (Mayleigh Team photo) was in the 529th Ordnance Co., Massweiler, Germany with me. I did not know him on any personal basis and I did not know that he was a marksman until I saw this photo.”

http://digitalcollections.baylor.edu/utils/getfile/collection/po-arm/id/23494/filename/23488.pdfpage/page/12


 

On page 13 of that letter, Dinkin wrote, “I had been a cryptographic operator at the 529th Ord. Co., which assembles nuclear warhead missiles under Advanced Weapons Support Command.”

On page 13 of that letter, Dinkin wrote that, “My service number was RA 16710292, not 76710292. He also wrote that he had a red mustache.

 

Permissive Active Link or PAL

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permissive_Action_Link

 

“A Permissive Action Link (PAL) is a security device for nuclear weapons. Its purpose is to prevent unauthorized arming or detonation of the nuclear weapon.[1] The United States Department of Defense definition is:

A device included in or attached to a nuclear weapon system to preclude arming and/or launching until the insertion of a prescribed discrete code or combination. It may include equipment and cabling external to the weapon or weapon system to activate components within the weapon or weapon system.

The earliest PALs were little more than locks introduced into the control and firing systems of a nuclear weapon, that would inhibit either the detonation, or the removal of safety features of the weapon. More recent innovations have included encrypted firing parameters, which must be decrypted to properly detonate the warhead, plus anti-tamper systems which intentionally mis-detonate the weapon, destroying it without giving rise to a nuclear explosion.”

 

 

59th Ordnance Brigade

https://www.usarmygermany.com/Sont.htm?https&&&www.usarmygermany.com/Units/Ordnance/USAREUR_59thOrdBde.htm

Source: Email from Gary Smith, PAL Det, 1963-67)

I was assigned to the USA PAL Det (Permissive Action Link) from 1963 to 1967. The unit was organized to install the Permissive Action Link devices throughout the European Theater. The unit spent its time in the early stages testing the devices before the program was fully implemented and then traveled throughout the theater installing the devices. I was with the unit almost from its inception until the program was fully implemented.”

 

A later phase of the mission involved tested of the devices and became very boring. Can you imagine eight hours a day opening combination locks over and over? There were quite a few failures in the early days and this testing phase stretched out for quite a long time, but the devices had to work flawlessly. Much of the early testing was at the 529th Ordnance Company in tunnels dug during the Second World War by the Germans.”

 

In his letter to Jacqueline Hess, Dinkin refers to a T.D. Smith III and the Mayleigh Team.

 

The Mayleigh Team has something to do with the National Rifle and Pistol Matches held at Camp Perry, Ohio.

In 1963, Thomas D. Smith III won the General Custer Trophy in the Individual Pistol Match# 100.

http://www.wwmcmillan.info/natMatches_1963.html

 

National Trophy Individual Pistol Match No. 100
“General Custer Trophy”

Rank

Name

Service Branch/Agency

Slow Fire

Timed Fire

Rapid Fire

Total

1

Wm W. McMillan, Jr.

U.S. Marine Corps
Quantico, Va.

96-3X

99-5X

99-5X

294-13X

2

Robert E. Wilford

U.S. Army

96-4X

98-4X

99-6X

293-14X

3

Edwin L. Teague

U.S. Air Force

94-2X

99-5X

99-6X

292-13X

4

Richard F. Stengel

U.S. Army

98-2X

98-6X

96-2X

292-10X

5

Thomas D. Smith, III

U.S. Air Force

91-1X

100-8X

100-8X

291-17X

 

.22 Caliber Slow Fire Match

3rd Regular
Service
Master

Thomas D. Smith, III

U.S. Air Force
Lackland AFB, Tex.

195-12X


 

National .22 Caliber Team Championship
“High Standard Trophy”

Rank

Team

Competitors

Score

1

U.S. Air Force 'Blue'

J. L. Mahan (295-12X), A. R. Merx (300-17X)
T. D Smith, III (296-17X) & F. C. Green (294-18X)

1185-64X

 


 

International Pistol Team Match
"Mayleigh Challenge Cup"
Individual Scores

Rank

Name

Service Branch/Agency

Score

1

Emil W. Heugatter

U.S. Army Europe

195-8X

2

Norman L. Banta

U.S. Army

193-6X

3

Thomas D. Smith, III

U.S. Air Force
Lackland AFB, Tex.

192-5X


 

In 1964, Capt. T. D. Smith of the U. S. Air Force made a strong run at Blankenship on the last day of the big shoot when he cracked out a record setting 889 out of 900 with the .45 cal. pistol, but he fell three points short and finished second with a 2539.”

National Pistol Individual Championship Match No. 1
“Harrison Cup Trophy”

Aggregate of Matches 2, 3 & 4

Rank

Name

Service Branch/Agency

.22 Caliber

Center-Fire

.45 Caliber

Total

1

Wm B. Blankenship, Jr.

U.S. Army

-

876-32X

-

2642-112X

2

Thomas D. Smith, III

U.S. Air Force

-

-

889-42X

2636-132X


 

http://www.wwmcmillan.info/natMatches_1964.html

 

 

Steve Thomas
 

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1 hour ago, James DiEugenio said:

Do you want to explain what you think this all means Steve? 

Jim,

 

I can't speak to the claim that Dinkin predicted Kennedy's assassination; but,

1) The identification of Dinkin belonging to the 599th Ordnance Group is wrong. Any CIA cables identifying him that way are misleading. Any identification of Dinkin having U.S. Army serial# RA 76710292 is wrong.

2) In 1977 Dinkin said he was a member of the 529th Ordnance Co. stationed in Massweiler, Germany. In 1967 a Richard Moltzon wrote to Jim Garrison and told him that he was stationed there with Dinkin. Moltzon was a real person.

3) As a supply depot, the 529th handled more than artillery shells. They assembled nuclear weapons and made them fail-safe.

4) Dinkin claimed to be a "cryptographic operator" with a Top Secret security clearance. Without seeing his service record, I can't know if that was Dinkin's MOS, or Military Occupational Specialty. but The 529th Ordnance Co.,  as part of the 71st. Ordnance Group, did do nuclear weapons assembly work under the Advanced Weapons Support Command (AWSCOM) which was activated in March, 1959. There were crytographic operators working with those units in the 71st who held Top Secret clearances.

5) In his letter to the SSCA in 1977, Dinkin said that someone "arranged" to leave out an American Rifleman magazine that had a picture of marksman,Thomas D. Smith III in it. In his letter, Dinkin said that he was interviewed by this man while he was incarcerated at Walter Reed Hospital.  Did Dinkin just pick Smith's picture out of a magazine and claim that that person interviewed him at Walter Reed? I can't know, but Thomas D. Smith III was a real person.

 

Steve Thomas

 

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There's quite a bit out there on the Dinkin story now.  I've been accumulating a useful list (including some past EF threads):

  1. Mark Bridger (July 2005) “Foreknowledge in England - the Cambridge Call? (Eugene Dinkin section), Dealey Plaza Echo
  2. Noel Twyman (1998) “Eugene B. Dinkin: Foreknowledge?” (excerpt from Bloody Treason) Kennedy Assassination Chronicles Vol. 4
  3. Dick Russell (1992) “The Man Who Knew Too Much” pages 552-557
  4. Robert Mitchell (January 1977) “The Strange Tale of Eugene Dinkins”. Conspiracy Theory Research List
  5. David Martin (March 2012) “Abuse of Psychiatry in JFK Assassination”
  6. James DiEugenio Education Forum thread (October 18, 2017) “Eugene Dinkin: The Saga of an Unsung Hero” 
  7. Stephen Turner Education Forum thread (June 2006) “Eugene Dinkin”
  8. Lisa Pease (January 1997) in alt.conspiracy.jfk  
  9. Harold Weisberg (June 1981” “A Possible French Connection”
  10. Redmond, Ronald (February 2018) “The Death of Eugene B. Dinkin”
  11. Ronald Redmond (October 2017) “Eugene Dinkin: The Saga of an Unsung Hero” Kennedy’s and King

 

 

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On 7/20/2018 at 11:37 PM, Mike Kilroy said:

The story is told on this Canadian broadcast starting about 3:30 in:

The JFK Files : The Murder of a President - The Fifth Estate

 

Thanks Mike.

Honestly I don’t remember much more than that but Mike posted an interesting link. I’m with you. Radio shows are certainly a tool or resource but at the end of the day, we still have to roll our sleeves up and even check any particular show’s hosts/guests claims and work. I safely take it all with a grain of salt, if I haven’t come across any confirmation or corroboration myself.

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8 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:

Jim,

 

I can't speak to the claim that Dinkin predicted Kennedy's assassination; but,

1) The identification of Dinkin belonging to the 599th Ordnance Group is wrong. Any CIA cables identifying him that way are misleading. Any identification of Dinkin having U.S. Army serial# RA 76710292 is wrong.

2) In 1977 Dinkin said he was a member of the 529th Ordnance Co. stationed in Massweiler, Germany. In 1967 a Richard Moltzon wrote to Jim Garrison and told him that he was stationed there with Dinkin. Moltzon was a real person.

3) As a supply depot, the 529th handled more than artillery shells. They assembled nuclear weapons and made them fail-safe.

4) Dinkin claimed to be a "cryptographic operator" with a Top Secret security clearance. Without seeing his service record, I can't know if that was Dinkin's MOS, or Military Occupational Specialty. but The 529th Ordnance Co.,  as part of the 71st. Ordnance Group, did do nuclear weapons assembly work under the Advanced Weapons Support Command (AWSCOM) which was activated in March, 1959. There were crytographic operators working with those units in the 71st who held Top Secret clearances.

5) In his letter to the SSCA in 1977, Dinkin said that someone "arranged" to leave out an American Rifleman magazine that had a picture of marksman,Thomas D. Smith III in it. In his letter, Dinkin said that he was interviewed by this man while he was incarcerated at Walter Reed Hospital.  Did Dinkin just pick Smith's picture out of a magazine and claim that that person interviewed him at Walter Reed? I can't know, but Thomas D. Smith III was a real person.

 

Steve Thomas

 

Steve - congratulations. You've broken new ground, and validated Dinkins story, which there was apparently a need to obfuscate. You are very cautious, and very good at digging up stuff. I don't want to overstate your discovery. The further identification of a champion shooter visiting Dinkins at Walter Reed is remarkable. 

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Richard Price:

There were two letters written to the Attorney General ... one by Dinkin (prior to the assassination) and one by his mother (after the assassination).

First letter: Eugene Dinkin first became aware of the assassination plot in September 1963 and - after gathering more facts and evidence - wrote a letter to Attorney General Robert Kennedy on October 16, 1963 and signed the letter in his own name. Dinkin sent the letter by registered mail, and used the return address of an Army friend, Pfc. Dennis De Witt to prevent it from being intercepted. In the letter he revealed that blame would be cast on a Communist, claiming the conspiracy involved far-right elements of the military, and requested that he be interviewed by a representative from the Justice Department. While in detention he was contacted by a white male (on the evening of the assassination) who identified himself verbally as a representative of the Defense Department, and asked Dinkin for the location of the material that he had compiled. Dinkin later told the FBI that the individual claimed to be a Secret Service agent who had flown to Europe to interview him regarding the letter.

Second letter: About a month after the assassination, with the Warren Commission in process, Eugene Dinkin’s mother wrote a letter to the Attorney General’s office on December 29, 1963, on behalf of her son. She stated that her son knew how the assassination was planned, and suggested the Attorney General arrange someone to talk with him and gave her son’s location as Walter Reed Army Hospital. Mrs. Dinkin’s letter was answered by Assistant Attorney General Herbert J. Miller Jr. who claimed that he had no jurisdiction in the matter.  However, the FBI interviewed Dinkin in Chicago (after his psychiatric treatment and discharge from the Army) on April 1, 1964.

Other letters: In 1975 Dinkin filed a civil suit against the Department of Defense and the CIA disputing the facts as presented to the Warren Commission in CD 943 (July 1975 letter to CIA Director William Colby) where he asks for information about his "treatment and interrogatories" while in Walter Reed, and about "grey propaganda" techniques.   This filing was at least two years prior to Dinkin's HSCA contacts, and during the Church Committee hearings. Dinkin later corresponded with the HSCA in 1977, sending them letters dated February 23 and March 10th).  He was never interviewed, and received a form letter from Chief Counsel Robert Blakey.  

Gene

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