Jim Garrison vs Fred Litwin

[Eddy Bainbridge]

1 hour ago, James DiEugenio said:

BTW, if you go to You Tube and look up Fred Litwin, you will see what I mean about him being a Culture Warrior.

Video after video on things like political correctness and how public broadcasting is too biased.  He even calls Canadian broadcaster Brian McKenna out for being  Irish, and that is why he does specials on the JFK case.  (Geez, I'm Italian so what's my excuse for writing my books?)

See, this is part of the backdrop that people miss about McAdams also.  He also tries to turn this into a Left/ Right issue and he is also much more involved with the whole rightwing financed Koch communications and propaganda empire than most people understand.

But like I noted, to me its  odd that they see this as that kind of an issue.  I think they did not like what the film JFK did to the public. So now they consider it a cultural battleground.

Hi Mr DiEugenio, 

Your research is part of the reason I believe Jim Garrison was on to something. The 'something' is not clear to me. Was Shaw a low level player or did he marshall funding for the assassination? I find the evidence of a New Orleans group plotting the assassination incongruous with other notions of high level CIA plotting, any help matching the NO story with the CIA story greatly appreciated. 

[James DiEugenio]

After doing a lot of study on this, I believe that Shaw was on the ground level of the machinations in setting up Oswald.

Oswald was pretty much being set up in New Orleans in more than one way. And I believe that those activities were designed to be exposed after JFK was killed.  As L. C. Delsa, the HSCA investigator told me, what struck him as being so odd about Oswald was his low profile in Dallas in the weeks leading up to the assassination, as opposed to his high profile in New Orleans. A profile which he himself almost seemed to seek out.

IMO, the Clinton/Jackson incident was called off because Shaw and Ferrie did not know about the CORE voter drive.  If not for that, I agree with Garrison that this would have been used to somehow show that LHO was certifiable.

Its always been striking to me how fast Ed Butler got to Washington after Kennedy's murder.

[Ron Bulman]

6 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

After doing a lot of study on this, I believe that Shaw was on the ground level of the machinations in setting up Oswald.

Oswald was pretty much being set up in New Orleans in more than one way. And I believe that those activities were designed to be exposed after JFK was killed.  As L. C. Delsa, the HSCA investigator told me, what struck him as being so odd about Oswald was his low profile in Dallas in the weeks leading up to the assassination, as opposed to his high profile in New Orleans. A profile which he himself almost seemed to seek out.

IMO, the Clinton/Jackson incident was called off because Shaw and Ferrie did not know about the CORE voter drive.  If not for that, I agree with Garrison that this would have been used to somehow show that LHO was certifiable.

Its always been striking to me how fast Ed Butler got to Washington after Kennedy's murder.

Who's Ed Butler?

[James DiEugenio]

Here you go Ron, all you need to know about the rightwing New Orleans psy wars specialist who did so much to get the word out about LHO in the hours after the assassination even before LHO was killed.

https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/ed-butler-expert-in-propaganda-and-psychological-warfare

 

Anybody who says, like Fred Litwin, there was nothing happening in New Orleans is full of it.

Edited November 25, 2018 by James DiEugenio

[James DiEugenio]

Another thing that I always found interesting about Butler was how he got out of New Orleans and went to LA after Garrison got onto him.  But he packed up the INCA files before he left.

The other thing that is interesting is that he had at least a part of Banister's files after his death.  Which means he had to be closely involved with 544 Camp Street.

Is Butler still alive? 

[W. Niederhut]

Fascinating.  Yet another psy ops expert (and CIA asset) directly linked to the JFK assassination, and the false MSM narratives about Oswald.

These U.S. psy ops guys, (C.D. Jackson, Edward Lansdale, Butler, Meyer, Joannides) like Joseph Goebbels and the Soviet propagandists, were experts in the propaganda techniques ("public relations") of Sigmund Freud's nephew Edward Bernays.

And one aspect of their psy ops methodology was to immediately control the narrative after the catastrophic event-- false flag, assassination, etc.

 

[David Von Pein]

 

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The entire JAMA interview with Dr. Humes....

https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/arrb/master_med_set/md22/html/Image02.htm

 

Edited November 25, 2018 by David Von Pein

[James DiEugenio]

To get back to the real world and the topic at hand, if I recall correctly, I don't think Butler testified before Garrison's grand jury.

 In fact, that might be why he left New Orleans.

But he later did return.  And he set up a rightwing radio station with some people who were friends of Ferrie's, like Layton Martens.  This was in support of the Contra War under Reagan.

It was at that time that Ed Haslam, then an advertising employee, went to the station and discovered that Butler had kept some of Banister's files over the years.

Butler is a fascinating character who knew the whole underside of that New Orleans anti Castro network.  In fact, I think it was Butler who got Gordon Novel involved with that proposed city wide telethon in 1961, where a man who greatly resembled David Phillips was in Banister's office as one of the organizers.

And then of course, he was part of the alleged exposure of Oswald as a  Russian defector on local media.  To me that was probably part of the whole CIA anti FPCC campaign.  Which we know was run by Phillips.

New Orleans was the perfect place for the setting up of Oswald in the summer of 1963.

Edited November 26, 2018 by James DiEugenio

[David Von Pein]

1 hour ago, James DiEugenio said:

New Orleans was the perfect place for the setting up of Oswald in the summer of 1963.

A vivid imagination is such a terrible thing to waste, isn't it Jim?

[Ron Bulman]

Re reading about Butler got me to thinking about Guy Banister and 544 Camp Street.  Rereading about him in Destiny Betrayed made me remember why I thought his role in the summer of 63 in New Orleans is under appreciated.  FBI before there was a FBI (1934, Hoover's "Bureau of Investigation" then.  Hoover's top Communist hunter for 17 years.  Special Agent in Charge, Butte Montana, Oklahoma City, Minneapolis, Chicago, retired.  "friends never bought the idea he had separated himself from the government", "could actually pick up the phone and talk to Hoover", pg. 104.  

"Ferrie took films of one of these exile training camps."..."HSCA Deputy Counsel Robert Tannenbaum saw"..."brought in witnesses to identify people he thought were Phillips, Oswald and Banister.  This was confirmed on multiple witness viewings."  Pg. 116.  That can't be overstated.  Ferrie filming Phillips, Oswald and Banister together.  Gee, maybe Oswald did know Phillips as Veciana says, if they were together on film.  And it's been out there for years but ignored by the MSM.  They want news that would get peoples attention?  Feature this.  Dig into it.

http://www.jfk-info.com/pr796.htm

Edited November 26, 2018 by Ron Bulman

[Paul Brancato]

1 hour ago, Ron Bulman said:

Re reading about Butler got me to thinking about Guy Banister and 544 Camp Street.  Rereading about him in Destiny Betrayed made me remember why I thought his role in the summer of 63 in New Orleans is under appreciated.  FBI before there was a FBI (1934, Hoover's "Bureau of Investigation" then.  Hoover's top Communist hunter for 17 years.  Special Agent in Charge, Butte Montana, Oklahoma City, Minneapolis, Chicago, retired.  "friends never bought the idea he had separated himself from the government", "could actually pick up the phone and talk to Hoover", pg. 104.  

"Ferrie took films of one of these exile training camps."..."HSCA Deputy Counsel Robert Tannenbaum saw"..."brought in witnesses to identify people he thought were Phillips, Oswald and Banister.  This was confirmed on multiple witness viewings."  Pg. 116.  That can't be overstated.  Ferrie filming Phillips, Oswald and Banister together.  Gee, maybe Oswald did know Phillips as Veciana says, if they were together on film.  And it's been out there for years but ignored by the MSM.  They want news that would get peoples attention?  Feature this.  Dig into it.

http://www.jfk-info.com/pr796.htm

I read somewhere recently that Banister was in frequent contact with Hoover. Is this true?

[James DiEugenio]

Paul, are you trying to hurt my feelings?  Its in my book, Destiny Betrayed, on page 104.

Good source also, Joe Oster.  When Oster quit 544 Camp Street, he went to work for Southern Research, which eventually became Wackenhut.

[Pat Speer]

On 11/23/2018 at 11:48 PM, David Von Pein said:

And they went through all that fakery and legerdemain just so they could say basically the EXACT SAME THING ---- that being: the bullet entered JFK's head from behind. Right?

And, Jimmy, you're not going to sit there and tell me that Dr. Russell Fisher, the Chief Medical Examiner for the state of Maryland since 1949, would have held the opinion in 1968 when he was a part of the Clark Panel that a bullet which has just hit a very hard object like the skull of President John F. Kennedy could not possibly have changed its trajectory after striking that object? You don't really think that Fisher held such a belief, do you James? Anyone who thinks Dr. Fisher held such a crazy belief in the year 1968 must, themselves, be a little crazy.

Ergo, there was no good reason whatsoever for Russell S. Fisher to want to engage in the type of "Let's Raise The Entry Wound By Four Inches" scheme that James DiEugenio thinks he did engage in.

Wrong. When you actually read the statements and testimony of men like Clark, Spitz, Petty and Baden, it's clear they believed the brain photos proved a bullet hadn't entered near the EOP and exited from the top of the head. And that this led them to conclude the bullet exiting high must have entered high.

Well, think about it. They realized the evidence suggested more than one head shot, and opted to claim the autopsy doctors were mistaken about the EOP entry, rather than admit this fact.

[David Von Pein]

1 hour ago, Pat Speer said:

They realized the evidence suggested more than one head shot,

Wrong. The medical evidence doesn't suggest any such thing, and the HSCA and Clark panels knew this. There was only ONE entry hole in JFK's head. All the autopsy doctors substantiate this, as does the autopsy report itself. If the HSCA and Clark panels saw any proof of the "EOP" entry in any of the photos or X-rays, of course they would have said so. There was no logical reason under the sun for those men to start lying about where that entry wound was.

Conspiracists have invented various reasons for the HSCA and Clark people to want to raise the wound up into the cowlick, but that's the fertile imaginings of the CTers at work and nothing more than that. The fact is: those men studied the photos and X-rays and saw the wound high on the head....so that's what they reported. Simple as that. (The unproven theories of CTers notwithstanding.)

Edited November 26, 2018 by David Von Pein

[Micah Mileto]

15 hours ago, David Von Pein said:

 

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The entire JAMA interview with Dr. Humes....

https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/arrb/master_med_set/md22/html/Image02.htm

 

face sheet diagram: https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=582

"TOTAL BODY XRAY AND AUTOPSY REVEALED ONE BULLET ENTERED BACK OF HEAD AND THEREAFTER EMERGED THROUGH TOP OF SKULL. PIECE OF SKULL MEASURING TEN BY SIX POINT FIVE CENTIMETERS LATER FLOWN IN FROM DALLAS HOSPITAL AND XRAYS BETHESDA DISCLOSED MINUTE METAL FRAGMENTS IN THIS PIECE WHERE BULLET EMERGED FROM SKULL" -sibert and o'neill 2:00 AM memo

"Dr. HUMES stated that the pattern was clear...", "...a second high velocity bullet had entered the rear of the skull and had fragmentized prior to exit through the top of the skull" -sibert and o'neill report

"Situated in the posterior scalp approximately 2. 5 cm. laterally to the right and slightly above the external occipital protuberance is a lacerated wound measuring 15 x 6 mm", "Upon reflecting the scalp multiple complete fracture lines are seen to radiate from both the large defect at the vertex and the smaller wound at the occiput", "...the above described small occipital wound...", "The fatal missile entered the skull above and to the right of the external occipital protuberance"  -autopsy protocol

"Sections through the wounds in the occipital and upper right posterior thoracic regions are essentially similar." -autopsy supplemental report

Rydberg drawings: https://i0.wp.com/jfkfacts.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/JFK-Illustration-1.png?w=530

There is no "above" in "above and behind". The "above" part is debunked for sure.