Jake Hammond Posted December 18, 2018 Author Share Posted December 18, 2018 Show us a pi 2 minutes ago, Cliff Varnell said: The 1.25 inch jacket collar is to the left of the fraction of an inch fabric fold. Hammond claims the fold is almost as high as the jacket collar, and JFK is looking down at his shoes. Fiction. Show us a picture form the right please Cliff, and maybe a still from the Z film, that would be scientific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Varnell Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Jake Hammond said: Show us a pi Show us a picture form the right please Cliff, and maybe a still from the Z film, that would be scientific. https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/displayimage.php?pid=6289&fullsize=1 Taken a few seconds earlier, the Altgens photo shows the jacket flat on his back. It's elevated a fraction of an inch above the top of the shirt collar but below the hairline. The jacket collar dropped, and the rest of the fabric dropped slowly until it was elevated 1/8 inch at the time of the back shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexandros Dimitriadis Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 39 minutes ago, Jake Hammond said: I'll do it on a body happily, but then you'll say the age is wrong, or the hair colour is wrong. Define to me what would make you happy and I'll do that. Well this comment ruins all the debate for you Jake... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Hammond Posted December 18, 2018 Author Share Posted December 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, Cliff Varnell said: https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/displayimage.php?pid=6289&fullsize=1 Taken a few seconds earlier, the Altgens photo shows the jacket flat on his back. It's elevated a fraction of an inch above the top of the shirt collar but below the hairline. The jacket collar dropped, and the rest of the fabric dropped slowly until it was elevated 1/8 inch at the time of the back shot. Show us a picture from the right and maybe a still from the Z film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Hammond Posted December 18, 2018 Author Share Posted December 18, 2018 Just now, Alexandros Dimitriadis said: Well this comment ruins all the debate for you Jake... ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Hammond Posted December 18, 2018 Author Share Posted December 18, 2018 (edited) oh .... A massive fold Please note the looseness of the shirt. Edited December 19, 2018 by Jake Hammond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexandros Dimitriadis Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, Jake Hammond said: ? Ok. To make it clear, up to now, you were posting arguments. This last one, shows deliberate undermining of your debater. No, he is not talking about hair color or age. He is arguing of physical attributes and measurements. That's all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Hammond Posted December 18, 2018 Author Share Posted December 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Alexandros Dimitriadis said: Ok. To make it clear, up to now, you were posting arguments. This last one, shows deliberate undermining of your debater. No, he is not talking about hair color or age. He is arguing of physical attributes and measurements. That's all... You didn't see the previous exchange, he had told two other members that they didn't do similar experiments and that they didn't dare publish them. I repeated the experiment as described by Cliff and these members. Thats not good enough now though. So I am quite honestly asking what Cliff would like to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Hammond Posted December 18, 2018 Author Share Posted December 18, 2018 (edited) Approximate angle Edited December 19, 2018 by Jake Hammond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Varnell Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Jake Hammond said: oh .... A massive fold Please note the looseness of the shirt. All of these photos show bunched fabric above the top of the shirt collar. On Houston St. JFK's jacket collar fell to a normal position exposing a normal 1/2 inch of shirt collar. Why can't you wrap your head around that fact, Jake? Edited December 18, 2018 by Cliff Varnell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Varnell Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 15 minutes ago, Jake Hammond said: Show us a picture from the right and maybe a still from the Z film. The Altgens photo shows the entire back! It destroys your claims so you continue to ignore it or declare it "irrelevant." Unbelievable... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Hammond Posted December 18, 2018 Author Share Posted December 18, 2018 Show us a picture Cliff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Varnell Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 8 minutes ago, Jake Hammond said: Show us a picture Cliff. This link doesn't work for you? https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/displayimage.php?pid=6289&fullsize=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Varnell Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 15 minutes ago, Jake Hammond said: You didn't see the previous exchange, he had told two other members that they didn't do similar experiments and that they didn't dare publish them. I repeated the experiment as described by Cliff and these members. No, you didn't. For the umpteenth time -- demonstrate how you elevate 2 inches of shirt fabric and 2 inches of jacket fabric entirely above the top of the back without pushing up on the jacket collar. 15 minutes ago, Jake Hammond said: Thats not good enough now though. What?? 15 minutes ago, Jake Hammond said: So I am quite honestly asking what Cliff would like to see. I've told you many times, but you ignore what I'm saying with some kind of "no comprende" routine... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Hammond Posted December 18, 2018 Author Share Posted December 18, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Cliff Varnell said: This link doesn't work for you? https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/displayimage.php?pid=6289&fullsize=1 Thats brilliant Cliff, that is hilarious, thank you. The argument that his jacket was tight, the shirt is a forgery and the bullet holes down't line up hinges on a picture of Kennedy turning to his left and waving over to the left with his right hand ( WHICH WILL OBVIOUSLY PULL HIS JACKET TIGHT). Which he did briefly. Another gem . Edited December 18, 2018 by Jake Hammond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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