Three Dallas Cops Who Probably Helped Frame Oswald on 11/22/63

[Steve Thomas]

1 hour ago, David Josephs said:

 

From what I can tell... he was in reality an aircraft mechanic, not a radar operator...  gives Harvey and Lee another notch in the "Pro" column

DJ

David,

 

Just for some background perspective only:

History Of Keesler Air Force Base

https://www.keesler.af.mil/About-Us/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/360538/history-of-keesler-air-force-base/

In early 1949, Air Training Command decided that Keesler should focus its efforts on teaching radar, radio, and electronics maintenance and repair. To make room, the airplane and engine mechanics courses had to be moved elsewhere. Especially since the Air Force also planned to transfer the Radio Operations School to Keesler from Scott AFB, Illinois. In addition to training radio operators, Keesler was to begin teaching air traffic service technicians; aircraft approach controllers, ground radar mechanics, and radar repairman/ground controlled approach specialists. The last mechanics training courses had moved to Sheppard AFB, Texas, by November, and it was at this point in the base's history that Keesler became known as the "Electronics Training Center of the Air Force." 

The Korean War and the Fifties: 1950 - 1959 

In August 1950, Keesler embarked on a major rebuilding program to upgrade its facilities across the board. The first phase of this project called for the construction of a new electronics laboratory, barracks, and a dining hall for a total cost of $14 million. In 1951, Congress appropriated an additional $44 million to complete Keesler's reconstruction. Plans included four two-story academic buildings (later named Allee, Dolan, Thomson, and Wolfe Halls), a 352-bed hospital, modern family housing units, and a three-story dormitory complex dubbed "the triangle" because of its distinctive layout. 

The 1950s also meant organizational change for Keesler. Since August 1948, the 3380th Technical Training Wing had controlled all base activities. Under it were four subordinate units: the 3380th Technical Training Group, which operated the school; the 3380th Maintenance and Supply Group; the 3380th Air Base Group; and the 3380th Medical Group. In 1955, a fifth group was added: the 3380th Installations Group. That arrangement continued until 1 January 1959, when Air Training Command redesignated the wing as Headquarters, Keesler Technical Training Center (KTTC). At the same time, the training group was redesignated as the 3380th Technical School, USAF, and all of its subordinate student squadrons were renamed school squadrons. 

Technical Training 

Keesler's modernization required more than expanded facilities. For example, Keesler began using television instruction methods as early as June 1953. In 1950, Keesler offered only 14 generalized courses, but by December 1959 that number had grown to 116, including vital USAF programs such as the aircraft warning and control system. 

In early 1956, Keesler entered the missile age by opening a ground support training program for the SM-65 Atlas intercontinental ballistic missile. In addition, school personnel were developing training methods for the newly adopted semi-automatic ground environment (SAGE) system, an integrated defense net intended to protect the United States from Soviet air attack. The base gained even more responsibility in 1958, when the Air Force announced that Scott AFB would relinquish its training mission. As a result, all control tower operator, radio maintenance, a n d general radio operator courses came to be under Keesler's already broad technical training roof. 

 

Steve Thomas

[Steve Thomas]

On 4/8/2019 at 10:04 AM, Jim Hargrove said:

I can't name another person who was employed by both the FBI and the CIA, but I'd be surprised if that would be public knowledge. 

Jim,

 

One possible source of info might lie in the ranks of the Wackenhut Corporation.

One of their main recruiting tools was that the company had a lot of ex-FBI agents as employees.

From what I've read, Hoover despised the man and made it known that no one in the FBI should have anything to do with him.

WACKENHUT CORPORATION INFORMATION ABOUT THE START OF THE CORPORATION

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=26816&relPageId=3&search=Wackenhut

 

Steve Thomas

Edited April 10, 2019 by Steve Thomas

[Jim Hargrove]

Steve -- About the only thing I know about Wackenhut is that Jim Di showed it spied on the Garrison prosecution of Shaw, which suggests, but hardly proves, at least an Agency orientation. Do you believe some of its FBI veterans were with the CIA also at some point?

My words you quoted above, about not being able to name a person, were in answer to Tony Krome’s question about naming anyone who worked simultaneously for the FBI and CIA.  A number of forum members suggested names, William Harvey and Win Scott most notably, of people who had worked for both agencies, although at different times.

I still can’t imagine why LHO would have moved from Dallas to New Orleans in 1963 unless someone was paying him to do so, and my bet is the FBI rather than, at that point, the CIA. Delphine Roberts said Banister thought Oswald worked for the Bureau.

[Steve Thomas]

10 hours ago, Jim Hargrove said:

I still can’t imagine why LHO would have moved from Dallas to New Orleans in 1963 unless someone was paying him to do so, 

Jim,

 

About the only thing we have to go on are the words of Marina, and to me, these are confusing.

"Mrs. OSWALD. Soon after that, Lee lost his job---I don't know for what reason. He was upset by it. And he looked for work for several days. And then I insisted that it would be better for him to go to New Orleans where he had relatives. I insisted on that because I wanted to get him further removed from Dallas and from Walker, because even though he gave me his word, I wanted to have him further away, because a rifle for him was not a very good toy---a toy that was too enticing.
Mr. RANKIN. Did you say that you wanted him to go to New Orleans because of the Walker incident?
Mrs. OSWALD. No. I simply told him that I wanted to see his home town. He had been born there.

Did she insist because of the Walker thing, or just because she wanted to see his home town?  It's confusing.

I don't remember if he told Lillian Murret why he was in NO. She just said he was there to look for a job.

 

Steve Thomas

[Tony Krome]

31 minutes ago, Steve Thomas said:

I wanted to have him further away, because a rifle for him was not a very good toy---a toy that was too enticing.

So we took the rifle down to New Orleans .....

 

[Jim Hargrove]

4 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:

Jim,

About the only thing we have to go on are the words of Marina, and to me, these are confusing.

"Mrs. OSWALD. Soon after that, Lee lost his job---I don't know for what reason. He was upset by it. And he looked for work for several days. And then I insisted that it would be better for him to go to New Orleans where he had relatives. I insisted on that because I wanted to get him further removed from Dallas and from Walker, because even though he gave me his word, I wanted to have him further away, because a rifle for him was not a very good toy---a toy that was too enticing.
Mr. RANKIN. Did you say that you wanted him to go to New Orleans because of the Walker incident?
Mrs. OSWALD. No. I simply told him that I wanted to see his home town. He had been born there.

Did she insist because of the Walker thing, or just because she wanted to see his home town?  It's confusing.

I don't remember if he told Lillian Murret why he was in NO. She just said he was there to look for a job.

Steve Thomas

Steve,

Right, but despite the considerable sympathy we all must have for Marina’s position in 1964, her WC testimony can surely be regarded as little more than a practiced attempt to buttress the weak points in the Official Story®.  Remember her claim about him “shooting at leaves” in a city park?  Even the HSCA, in regard to the Walker shooting mentioned above, wrote, (emphasis added):

 “and since item (4) pertains to the testimony of Marina Oswald (whose testimony has all the weight of a handful of chicken feathers), we regretfully refuse to accept the judgment of the Commission in regard to the Walker shooting….”

To me, her claim just shows that the people shaping her testimony were well aware there was no obvious reason for LHO to have gone back to New Orleans that summer.

[Paul Jolliffe]

7 hours ago, Jim Hargrove said:

Steve,

Right, but despite the considerable sympathy we all must have for Marina’s position in 1964, her WC testimony can surely be regarded as little more than a practiced attempt to buttress the weak points in the Official Story®.  Remember her claim about him “shooting at leaves” in a city park?  Even the HSCA, in regard to the Walker shooting mentioned above, wrote, (emphasis added):

 “and since item (4) pertains to the testimony of Marina Oswald (whose testimony has all the weight of a handful of chicken feathers), we regretfully refuse to accept the judgment of the Commission in regard to the Walker shooting….”

To me, her claim just shows that the people shaping her testimony were well aware there was no obvious reason for LHO to have gone back to New Orleans that summer.

Jim,

Here is a bizarre quote from a Michael Kurtz article (attached below):

"According to CIA documents, Oswald was assigned many tasks involving anti-Castro maneuvers emanating from the New Orleans Field Office. "

Say what? 

To what CIA documents can Professor Kurtz possibly be referring? "Oswald" was assigned many tasks?

If Kurtz is correct, then obviously the answer to your question is simple: the CIA sent him to New Orleans.

Does anyone here know Michael Kurtz, or have any idea how to get in touch with him to ask him about those "CIA documents" in which "Oswald was assigned"?

He is a professor emeritus at Southeastern Louisiana University, Hammond, but he does not seem to have an office there anymore.

http://www.myneworleans.com/New-Orleans-Magazine/October-2013/The-Kennedy-Assassination-Fifty-Years-Later/