Guest Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 (edited) 15 hours ago, Robert Card said: Lance............This is he problem I have with a lot of LNer's. Best evidence? What evidence? I've studied J Edgar "Mafia Doesn't Exist" Hoover since the 80's. In my view, Hoover was criminally insane, with multiple Congressional efforts to remove his name from the FBI building. I'm always finding new evidence of his misdeeds and crimes. Just yesterday, I found that Hoover went on a vendetta against Jesse Curry which was probably a prime factor in his resignation due to stress. The burglary at the Media, PA FBI office clearly shows that there were two FBI's, one the good guys, and the other a criminal thug organization. Agent Provocateurs, like in the 16th St Baptist Church bombing. Wiretapping Congressmen. There's really too much too list. I can even show you an example of FBI criminality right here in Colombia. I want to report the crime of this federal officer, but I'm told the FBI will do everythng they can to harass me. So I've decided to pull a Howard Brennan, and keep my mouth shut to protect my famlly. Being that Hoover was running the federal investigation, why would you call the WC report evidence? I get into trouble with the CTer's too, as a lot of them like the FBI. Why would you call anything the FBI touched, Dallas PD touched, the CIA touched, Dallas Sheriffs Dept touched, evidence?? There is no evidence, and the case should be re-opened. OK, let’s consider old Jedgar just for illustrative purposes. I’m no Hoover scholar, but let’s say for the sake of argument that he was essentially the founder of the FBI and had headed the operation (including the predecessor agency) for 39 years at the time of the assassination; he was fiercely, almost obsessively, protective of his own image and that of the FBI; under his leadership, such as it was, the FBI became a widely admired crime-fighting organization and Hoover himself a venerated public figure, almost bigger than life; he had extremely strong and antiquated ideas of the way America “ought to be” in regard to things like civil rights; he was sincerely patriotic and virulently anti-Communist; he was quite a weird guy with his own skeletons in the closet; he accumulated enough dirt on public officials to sink a fleet of battleships (including JFK, a simple task); he would have stopped at pretty much nothing to protect his own image and that of the FBI; he was hell-bent to preserve and expand the FBI’s jurisdiction and influence, even to the extent of bending or violating the law; he thoroughly despised RFK (not entirely without reason) and the fact that RFK had unprecedented influence with JFK since he was his brother; at the time of the assassination, he was an old man facing mandatory retirement, which he would have perceived as an ignominious end to his career and as allowing RFK to run roughshod over his reputation and his beloved FBI. Is that close enough for argument? A deeply flawed character, but by no means a wholly flawed one. Someone who may well have shed nothing but crocodile tears over the assassination of JFK – or who may have been genuinely distressed that his beloved country had come to this. If I were to dive into this, I would spend at least a couple of weeks with the most serious mainstream biographies of Hoover and such other mainstream historical sources as I could find. No conspiracy literature at this point, thank you. I would arrive at the best real-world understanding of the man and his life that I could. Perhaps you have done this and have indeed discovered shocking things. I would then formulate some sort of tentative hypothesis: 1. Is it believable that this man would knowingly participate in, or at least tacitly approve, the assassination of the President of the United States and all the risks to his legacy and the legacy of the FBI that this would entail? Would his motives have been that strong? Would his underlings have lived in such fear of him that they would play along in both pre-assassination and post-assassination skullduggery rather than incur his wrath? 2. Or is it more believable that following an assassination by Lee Harvey Oswald, a known defector engaged in pro-Communist activities who had definitely been on the radar of the FBI in the past as well as in recent weeks, this man would have filled his britches (figuratively speaking) and done everything in his power to preserve the image and reputation of himself and his agency and conceal everything that made them look like the Keystone Cops? When I look at the record as a whole – the types of “mistakes” and “fudging” in the FBI reports, Hosty’s destruction of Oswald’s note at the direction of his supervisor, the Wrath of Hoover that many FBI employees did indeed suffer, the testimony of the FBI employees – it pretty much screams to me “Number 2 is the more believable hypothesis.” Some of the skullduggery may well have been at the direction of Hoover, but I suspect that most of it was because the FBI employees well-understood “Oh, Jesus, the Old Man is going to go completely ballistic over this.” Armed with my tentative hypothesis, I would then dive into the conspiracy literature. I have done this to a limited extent with Hoover and the FBI, and what I see is the Conspiracy Game. If and when something surfaces that actually ties Hoover into the assassination in any convincing way, shape or form, I will cheerfully concede as much. But what I mostly see now is “Hoover” as one of those Conspiracy Game mantras that I described, often chanted by those who really know nothing about the man except what they have read in the conspiracy literature (which is, for the reasons set forth in my original post, the functional equivalent of knowing nothing about the man). I'm not casting aspersions at you. You surely know far more about Hoover than I do, and perhaps your suspicions are well-founded. If you can convincingly tie him into the assassination with something more than speculation, innuendo and cui bono, go for it. Edited September 2, 2019 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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