John Kowalski Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 John B: In the absence of conclusive evidence regarding the beginning of the project, I am interested in knowing what theories they may have about it's origins. More arguments is not what I am looking for either, just more research on where Harvey came from and Marguerite's family history. Have been doing my own research and about their origins but have not been able to find any new leads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Jolliffe Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 1 hour ago, John Kowalski said: John B: In the absence of conclusive evidence regarding the beginning of the project, I am interested in knowing what theories they may have about it's origins. More arguments is not what I am looking for either, just more research on where Harvey came from and Marguerite's family history. Have been doing my own research and about their origins but have not been able to find any new leads. As I originally discovered a few days ago (and immediately posted), our "Oswald" had taken the time and expense to buy an awfully obscure book: Tibor Kajan's "Circus Maximus", a collection of political cartoons from a dedicated Hungarian Communist Jew, a man who received multiple Kossuth award nominations. Our "Oswald" shared an interest in professional cartoonists with . . . Mrs. Jack Tippit. According to his NYT obituary from 1994, Jack Tippit (husband of the recipient of the phone call from the mysterious older woman) was . . . a professional cartoonist and the founder of the Museum of Cartoon Art in 1974. https://www.nytimes.com/1994/10/20/obituaries/jack-d-tippit-cartoonist-70.html What's this have to do with the "Oswald" Project? Well, the CIA financed artists, writers, movie-makers and cartoonists for years in an effort to turn the tide of public opinion in the Cold War. I find this passage (NYT story linked below) mighty telling: "An odd alliance was struck between the C.I.A. leaders, most of them wealthy Ivy League veterans of the wartime Office of Strategic Services and a corps of largely Jewish ex-Communists who had broken with Moscow to become virulently anti-Communist. Acting as intermediaries between the agency and the intellectual community were three colorful agents who included Vladimir Nabokov's much less talented cousin, Nicholas, a composer. The C.I.A. recognized from the beginning that it could not openly sponsor artists and intellectuals in Europe because there was so much anti-American feeling there. Instead, it decided to woo intellectuals out of the Soviet orbit by secretly promoting a non-Communist left of democratic socialists disillusioned with Moscow. Ms. Stonor Saunders describes how the C.I.A. cleverly skimmed hundreds of millions of dollars from the Marshall Plan to finance its activities, funneling the money through fake philanthropies it created or real ones like the Ford Foundation. ''We couldn't spend it all,'' Gilbert Greenway, a former C.I.A. agent, recalled. ''There were no limits, and nobody had to account for it. It was amazing.'' https://www.nytimes.com/2000/03/18/books/how-the-cia-played-dirty-tricks-with-culture.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Butler Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 (edited) Paul J, That's a really intriguing piece of information. I have a feeling that communists and Hungarians have something to do with the Oswald story. However, I may have helped build a house of cards that could fall with one factual piece of information. Something like John Gardos was in the 4th grade in 1949 in New York. Nobody has found any information on John Gardos except the 1940 Census Record in which he is one year old. Harvey and Lee say: "The summer and fall of 1947 is the earliest known confirmation that two different Oswald families were living at two different locations at the same time. Robert Oswald discussed family matters in detail during his WC testimony, but when asked about the summer of 1947 commission member Allen Dulles, former Director of the CIA, asked for an adjournment. Dulles was likely concerned that Robert, like John Pic, would say that his family was living at 1505 8th avenue during the summer of 1947, which would conflict with a 2nd Oswald family living at 101 San Saba at the same time. Dulles' request for an adjournment strongly suggests that he had intimate, detailed knowledge about the backgrounds of HARVEY and LEE. When Robert Oswald's testimony resumed he was questioned about events that occurred beginning in the fall of 1948. No further questions were asked about the summer of 1947." If memory serves, H & L say that Lee started school in the first grade in 1946. There is no mention of Harvey in school in 1946. I find it curious that all of the addresses in this Gardos communists and the Oswalds story, in New York, are fairly close within a 2 mile area. I hesitate to say that is meaningful since the Oswalds were in in New York for about 1952 to 1954. Two miles covers a lot of people and places in a big city such as New York. But, still these addresses would be no more than minutes apart. I would say just a few minutes and 20 minutes being about the longest time. Edited December 5, 2019 by John Butler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W. Tracy Parnell Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 I received an email from Greg Parker reminding me that he worked out that the person the anonymous caller was referring to was likely Emil Gardos 10 years ago. He has a thread on the topic: http://reopenkennedycase.forumotion.net/t87-the-mrs-jack-d-tippit-phone-call Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Josephs Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 11 minutes ago, W. Tracy Parnell said: I received an email from Greg Parker reminding me that he worked out that the person the anonymous caller was referring to was likely Emil Gardos 10 years ago. He has a thread on the topic: http://reopenkennedycase.forumotion.net/t87-the-mrs-jack-d-tippit-phone-call Yeah... and 20+ years ago when H&L was published John wrote about Emil KARDOS... who he learned about in the 10 years prior.... GP... a little too little too late Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Hargrove Posted December 6, 2019 Author Share Posted December 6, 2019 Just for reference, here are the results I get when searching for "John Gardos" in the U.S. Census database around 1940. I've yet to find a solid post-1940 reference to the John Gardos born in 1939 to Emil and Grace Gardos anywhere, including on free, paid and international databases. Sorry about the formatting. Results 1 - 15 of 15 SORT BY RelevanceOldest Publication DateNewest Publication Date NAME RELATIONSHIPS EVENTS VIEW John Gardos Son 1930 U.S. Census father: Mike Gardos Sr. mother: Mary Gardos brothers: Andrew Gardos, George Gardos, Clarence Gardos sisters: Marie Gardos, Katherine Gardos, Elizabeth Gardos, Margret Gardos, Corrine J Gardos residence: Cle Elum, Kittitas, Washington, United States birthplace: Washington birth year: 1910 John Gardos Son 1920 U.S. Census father: Andrew Gardos mother: Mary Gardos sisters: Susie Gardos, Julia Gardos, Helen Gardos, Veronica Gardos, Teresa Gardos... residence: Scranton Ward 4, Lackawanna, Pennsylvania, United States birthplace: Pennsylvania birth year: 1900 John Gardos Son 1940 U.S. Census father: Stanley Gardos mother: Anna Gardos brothers: Theodore Gardos, Florence Gardos residence: North Tarrytown, Mount Pleasant Town, Westchester, New York, United States birthplace: New York birth year: 1924 John Gardos Head 1940 U.S. Census wife: Anna Gardos daughter: Margaret Gardos son: John Gardos residence: Charleroi Borough, Washington, Pennsylvania, United States birthplace: Pennsylvania birth year: 1899 John Gardos Son 1940 U.S. Census father: John Gardos mother: Anna Gardos sister: Margaret Gardos residence: Charleroi Borough, Washington, Pennsylvania, United States birthplace: Pennsylvania birth year: 1932 John Gardos Head 1920 U.S. Census wife: Marie Gardos son: Mike Gardos daughter: Rose Gardos residence: Linden, Union, New Jersey, United States birthplace: Austria birth year: 1865 John Gardos Self 1880 U.S. Census wife: Catherine Gardos daughter: Mary Gardos son: Frank Gardos residence: Cambridge, Middlesex, Massachusetts, United States birthplace: Ireland birth year: 1825 John Gardos Son 1940 U.S. Census father: Emil Gardos mother: Grace Gardos residence: Ironwood, Ironwood City, Gogebic, Michigan, United States birthplace: Michigan birth year: 1939 John Gardos Brother 1900 U.S. Census others: Mike Gardos, Annie Gardos, Marey Ganolk, Jno. Markowitz, Peter Yanowitch residence: Precinct 1 Allegheny city Ward 11, Allegheny, Pennsylvania, United States birthplace: Austria John Gardos Head 1940 U.S. Census wife: Lillian Gardos residence: Assembly District 19, Brooklyn, New York City, Kings, New York, United States birthplace: Hungary birth year: 1888 John Gardos Head 1920 U.S. Census wife: Ottilie Gardos residence: Linden, Union, New Jersey, United States birthplace: New Jersey birth year: 1895 John Gardos Boarder 1910 U.S. Census others: Paul Puskas, Anna Puskas, John Puskas, Steven Deske, John Georgio... residence: Clarkstown, Rockland, New York, United States birthplace: Austria birth year: 1865 John Gardos Lodger 1930 U.S. Census others: Mike Boytin, Anna Boytin, Martha Boytin, Mike Boytin Jr., George Macuja residence: Cleveland (Districts 1-250), Cuyahoga, Ohio, United States birthplace: Pennsylvania birth year: 1911 John Gardos Lodger 1920 U.S. Census others: Christo Manosaky, Labebee Manosaky, George Manosaky residence: Cleveland Ward 9, Cuyahoga, Ohio, United States birthplace: Greece birth year: 1882 John Gardos Roomer 1910 U.S. Census others: John Larsen, William Larsen, Otto Fingervitz, Geo O Muskos, Olarf Christison... residence: Seattle Ward 5, King, Washington, United States birthplace: Finland birth year: 1876 John Gardos Boarder 1900 U.S. Census others: George Bihar, Mary Bihar, Annie Bihar, Susie Bihar, John Sic... residence: Fayette City borough, Fayette, Pennsylvania, United States birthplace: Hungary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Hargrove Posted December 6, 2019 Author Share Posted December 6, 2019 I talked to John Armstrong yesterday evening and again this morning. He said that his friend, a long time researcher in NYC, looked into the Gardos issue recently and discovered that there was a John Gardos living at 631 Rockaway(sp?) St. in Queens (a borough of New York City) in 1940. This John Gardos’s parents were listed as Joe and Josephine Gardos. Their two sons were Frank (7 years old) and John, 7 months old, suggesting that this John Gardos may also have been born in 1939, just like the son of Emil and Grace. Gardos is not a very common name, and so this is quite a coincidence assuming it is true. I haven’t been able to duplicate the results John’s friend (a very well known researcher) got in two quick searches of Census database front ends. John also said that on one of his many visits with Marina she told him she didn’t believe there was a second Lee Harvey Oswald, but that they discussed the anonymous telephone call to the Tippits and John talked about the possible Hungarian connection. Marina said nothing about her husband owning a book by a Hungarian author, and nothing was said about a possible Hungarian connection for her former husband. John has long believed that Marina knew nothing about the other LHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Butler Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 Jim, I agree with your point being made with these references. But, this group of people should be looked at later on, when there is more time, for connections. I more or less dismissed this kind of Census data since Emil Gardos was a Hungarian / Romanian immigrant in 1922. That is really not a good idea to do that when researching a person in totality. But, in my case I knew I would come back to these kind of entries later. It is my opinion that one shouldn't jump into this kind of data until the primary is researched, in this case Emil Gardos. And, when the records on the primary are exhausted one takes that information and begins looking at connections to others. Anything found in this group of entries should be corroborated by other facts. That was my wife Sandy's mistake in the Grace E. Blair and Grace A. Blair argument. She held the position that they were the same since she has run into this kind of situation countless times where there are errors in the Census Record. I might have jumped the gun on her by not giving her enough time to come to the right conclusion. I immediately saw there was not enough evidence to conclude the two were the same. Grace A. Blair was proven to be the correct Grace Blair. And, that was the important connection to establish the uncle, Caroll / Fred Blair. And, consequently Fred Blair becomes the brother in law. There are no other good candidates. More of this later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Jolliffe Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 (edited) Jim H., As you know, while I remain skeptical that little John Gardos grew up to be our "Oswald", it is not impossible, and therefore any research on this is legitimate. (Personally, I think it much more likely that our "Oswald" was briefly placed with Emil and Grace Gardos as a foster child in some sort of humanitarian effort to help resettle refugees/orphans from Eastern Europe just after WWII. And thus we've mistakenly inferred that the mysterious woman caller necessarily knew the correct relationship between the Gardos couple and "Oswald".) That being said however, I'd like to know if anyone has checked the Ironwood Public Schools 1944/45 school year to see if there might be kindergarten records for little John Gardos. Those records probably no longer exist, but at this moment, we have no evidence that Emil Gardos, his wife Grace and son John were NOT living in Ironwood as of 1944/45. After all, the 1940 census tells us John Gardos was born in Ironwood, Michigan. Therefore, if extant, those kindergarten records would at least confirm that little John Gardos survived infancy. I do believe the original FBI memo about the 11/30/63 phone call to Mrs. Jack Tippit (not the retyped, reformatted version, but the original) is worth perusing - on page two of the original, right in the middle of the page, is the name "Emile Kardos." Someone at the FBI not only underlined the name, but also put a big asterisk right over the name "Emile Kardos". The FBI knew that the connection between our "Oswald" and Emil Gardos (regardless of whether it was biological) was very sensitive. So they buried it and corrupted the name. https://harveyandlee.net/Harvey Who/Tippit-FBI_Graphical.htm Edited December 6, 2019 by Paul Jolliffe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Jolliffe Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 4 minutes ago, Jim Hargrove said: I talked to John Armstrong yesterday evening and again this morning. He said that his friend, a long time researcher in NYC, looked into the Gardos issue recently and discovered that there was a John Gardos living at 631 Rockaway(sp?) St. in Queens (a borough of New York City) in 1940. This John Gardos’s parents were listed as Joe and Josephine Gardos. Their two sons were Frank (7 years old) and John, 7 months old, suggesting that this John Gardos may also have been born in 1939, just like the son of Emil and Grace. Gardos is not a very common name, and so this is quite a coincidence assuming it is true. I haven’t been able to duplicate the results John’s friend (a very well known researcher) got in two quick searches of Census database front ends. John also said that on one of his many visits with Marina she told him she didn’t believe there was a second Lee Harvey Oswald, but that they discussed the anonymous telephone call to the Tippits and John talked about the possible Hungarian connection. Marina said nothing about her husband owning a book by a Hungarian author, and nothing was said about a possible Hungarian connection for her former husband. John has long believed that Marina knew nothing about the other LHO. Jim, Marina may have said nothing to John Armstrong about "Oswald's" copy of Tibor Kajan's "Circus Maximus", but there it is, listed on a reputable auction site in 2013 with a letter of provenance from Marina herself: https://historical.ha.com/itm/books/social-sciences/-john-f-kennedy-lee-harvey-oswald-s-personal-books-total-2-items-/a/6106-38424.s I can't conceive of a reasonable explanation for intelligence agencies to fabricate this evidence - they want to bury any leads into "Oswald's" real background, not highlight them (albeit however obscurely) in a public Dallas auction! Therefore, I think it is very likely that these books truly were once owned by our "Oswald", no matter what Marina later implied to John A. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Butler Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 15 minutes ago, Jim Hargrove said: I talked to John Armstrong yesterday evening and again this morning. He said that his friend, a long time researcher in NYC, looked into the Gardos issue recently and discovered that there was a John Gardos living at 631 Rockaway(sp?) St. in Queens (a borough of New York City) in 1940. This John Gardos’s parents were listed as Joe and Josephine Gardos. Their two sons were Frank (7 years old) and John, 7 months old, suggesting that this John Gardos may also have been born in 1939, just like the son of Emil and Grace. Gardos is not a very common name, and so this is quite a coincidence assuming it is true. I haven’t been able to duplicate the results John’s friend (a very well known researcher) got in two quick searches of Census database front ends. John also said that on one of his many visits with Marina she told him she didn’t believe there was a second Lee Harvey Oswald, but that they discussed the anonymous telephone call to the Tippits and John talked about the possible Hungarian connection. Marina said nothing about her husband owning a book by a Hungarian author, and nothing was said about a possible Hungarian connection for her former husband. John has long believed that Marina knew nothing about the other LHO. Jim, That's very interesting. I, too, have not initially found any references to another John Gardos born in 1939. John Armstrong's friend gives the Census year, 1940, wife, sons, birth dates, residence, and parents. This should be an easily found Census reference. You say you have not been able to duplicate the source after two searches. I haven't found that reference either in the Census Record of 1940 for John's friend's reference. The closest I can get is a Joseph Gardo living at 63rd Drive, Queens, NY. But, he is an Italian. Maybe John's friend can be more forth coming with where he found this information. I have an idea. See if John's good friend can find the school district for the address 217 East 86th Street. Then check that school for John Gardos attendance. HIs parents are Emil and Grace A. during the years 1945 and 1946. John Gardos should be in the 1st and 2nd grade. He should not be there for a 3rd and 4th grade years. If he is then John Gardos is not likely to be Harvey Oswald. Here's the reasoning for that. I'm a retired school teacher. The H & L record for Harvey Oswald at Benbrook school in 1947 was immediately suspicious to me and seemed to lack credibility. Why? John Gardos or Harvey Oswald's age in the fall of 1947 should be 8 years (or 7 years old and close to 8 years in the fall of 1947). This is too old for a 1st grade student. This implies that he was a truant for two years and probably would have been tracked down by a truant officer no matter what state he was in 1945-1946. The admission of school age children into the 1st grade was pretty much standard across the US in the 1940s and 1950s. Overall, it was mandatory and compulsory attendance at 6 years old for the first grade. Generally, there was not a kindergarten or pre-school available. Different states may vary a little on these procedures. Kentucky has always adjusted the laws to match other states as much as possible. In this period for a child to enter into the first grade they must have been 6 years old when school started or would be 6 years old before Jan, 1, of the following year. This has been changed in more recents times to a closer (I've forgotten) date to the fall entry date. I have argued this really doesn't matter since pre-school and Kindergarten is available at an age earlier age then 6 years. Secondly, if possible, check the University of Wisconsin, Madison for the Fred Blair papers. Box Number 5 has correspondence between Fred, Emil, and Grace. I believe this covers the years in question. This might be helpful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Jolliffe Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 (edited) Jim H., You and I both have tremendous respect for the amazing digging John A. has done on the issue of the two LHO's. But I do wonder if his belief that Marina knew nothing of a second Oswald has been shaped in large part because of his repeated personal contact with her - he believes her because he wants to believe her. Yet, the evidence has been in plain sight for 55 years that Marina is and has been untruthful on crucial matters! Her prime concern was ensuring that she would not be deported or face criminal charges herself (no matter how unfounded those charges would have been!) No, that was clear from the historical record - and readily apparent to even the junior WC lawyers themselves! From Norman Redlich's February 28, 1964 memo to J. Lee Rankin: " . . . there is in fact a strong probability that Marina Oswald is in fact a very different person - cold, calculating, avaricious, scornful of generosity, and capable of an extreme lack of sympathy in personal relationships. " Further on: "Neither you nor I have any desire to smear the reputation of any individual. We cannot ignore, however, that Marina Oswald has repeatedly lied to the Service, the FBI and this Commission on matters which are of vital concern to the people of this country and the world." https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=83#relPageId=132 Harold Weisberg called her "Scheherazade", referring to her own willingness to say whatever was required to save her own skin. No one thinks she was a witting part of the assassination conspiracy. But she was (and I believe, as in the case of her white lies to John A. about a second Oswald, still is) willing to smear her late husband in any way necessary to get what she wanted - to stay and live in America. https://books.google.com/books?id=8FuCDwAAQBAJ&pg=PT29&dq=harold+weisberg+marina+oswald+scheherazade&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi87uX3n6HmAhWRwFkKHYhXANsQ6AEwAHoECAYQAg#v=onepage&q=harold weisberg marina oswald scheherazade&f=false Edited December 6, 2019 by Paul Jolliffe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Butler Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 40 minutes ago, Paul Jolliffe said: Jim H., As you know, while I remain skeptical that little John Gardos grew up to be our "Oswald", it is not impossible, and therefore any research on this is legitimate. (Personally, I think it much more likely that our "Oswald" was briefly placed with Emil and Grace Gardos as a foster child in some sort of humanitarian effort to help resettle refugees/orphans from Eastern Europe just after WWII. And thus we've mistakenly inferred that the mysterious woman caller necessarily knew the correct relationship between the Gardos couple and "Oswald".) That being said however, I'd like to know if anyone has checked the Ironwood Public Schools 1944/45 school year to see if there might be kindergarten records for little John Gardos. Those records probably no longer exist, but at this moment, we have no evidence that Emil Gardos, his wife Grace and son John were NOT living in Ironwood as of 1944/45. After all, the 1940 census tells us John Gardos was born in Ironwood, Michigan. Therefore, if extant, those kindergarten records would at least confirm that little John Gardos survived infancy. I do believe the original FBI memo about the 11/30/63 phone call to Mrs. Jack Tippit (not the retyped, reformatted version, but the original) is worth perusing - on page two of the original, right in the middle of the page, is the name "Emile Kardos." Someone at the FBI not only underlined the name, but also put a big asterisk right over the name "Emile Kardos". The FBI knew that the connection between our "Oswald" and Emil Gardos (regardless of whether it was biological) was very sensitive. So they buried it and corrupted the name. https://harveyandlee.net/Harvey Who/Tippit-FBI_Graphical.htm You are correct. I too am skeptical, but this is a possibility to establish the true identity of Harvey Oswald. There is no evidence to say that the Gardos were not in Ironwood, MI. At the same time there is no evidence that they were there and not in NY. More information is needed to put this subject to bed. You said, "The FBI knew that the connection between our "Oswald" and Emil Gardos (regardless of whether it was biological) was very sensitive.... The FBI knew that the connection between our "Oswald" and Emil Gardos (regardless of whether it was biological) was very sensitive." I believe this is so and if I get the time today I will post some thoughts on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Butler Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Paul Jolliffe said: Jim H., You and I both have tremendous respect for the amazing digging John A. has done on the issue of the two LHO's. But I do wonder if his belief that Marina knew nothing of a second Oswald has been shaped in large part because of his repeated personal contact with her - he believes her because he wants to believe her. Yet, the evidence has been in plain sight for 55 years that Marina is and has been untruthful on crucial matters! Her prime concern was ensuring that she would not be deported or face criminal charges herself (no matter how unfounded those charges would have been!) No, that was clear from the historical record - and readily apparent to even the junior WC lawyers themselves! From Norman Redlich's February 28, 1964 memo to J. Lee Rankin: " . . . there is in fact a strong probability that Marina Oswald is in fact a very different person - cold, calculating, avaricious, scornful of generosity, and capable of an extreme lack of sympathy in personal relationships. " Further on: "Neither you nor I have any desire to smear the reputation of any individual. We cannot ignore, however, that Marina Oswald has repeatedly lied to the Service, the FBI and this Commission on matters which are of vital concern to the people of this country and the world." https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=83#relPageId=132 Harold Weisberg called her "Scheherazade", referring to her own willingness to say whatever was required to save her own skin. No one thinks she was a witting part of the assassination conspiracy. But she was (and I believe, as in the case of her white lies to John A. about a second Oswald, still is) willing to smear her late husband in any way necessary to get what she wanted - to stay and live in America. https://books.google.com/books?id=8FuCDwAAQBAJ&pg=PT29&dq=harold+weisberg+marina+oswald+scheherazade&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi87uX3n6HmAhWRwFkKHYhXANsQ6AEwAHoECAYQAg#v=onepage&q=harold weisberg marina oswald scheherazade&f=false Paul, Marina was a nice looking young lady. At that age that would personally sway my opinion of her. However, a more realistic view is available with age. I believe Marina Oswald was a Soviet intelligence agent, a double agent and then a triple agent undergoing a reversal to Soviet allegiance once she was in the US. That's nothing new. A lot of people believe that. I believe her mission was to seduce, marry, and then leave the Soviet Union with Ozzie. The seduction occurred when Marina did not allow Ozzie his sexual intentions. Therefore, he proposed as a rebound from an earlier failed proposal. There was probably committee (there was a group of 20 KGB agents assigned to monitor Ozzie) work done on that decision of withholding sex. Marina was sexually active with other foreigners before meeting Ozzie. Nothing she said or did should be taken as gospel. I believe the timeline of events in Russian show that Marina showed up after Ozzie announces his intent to return to the US. The video I posted on the atom bomb shows the true nature of a female Soviet intelligence agent. Sex and marriage is just one more tool in their intelligence activities. Edited December 6, 2019 by John Butler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kowalski Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 (edited) Has anyone done any research on the Pitcairn family? Greg Parker claims that Marguerite Oswald worked for Pittsburgh Glass, which is one of their companies, and that they were fascists. Edited December 6, 2019 by John Kowalski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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