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I don't think it's controversial at all that anyone sympathetic to Trump and his policies would try to dissipate democrats votes by helping a can't win candidate. Let's see how effective it is with both parties.

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43 minutes ago, James DiEugenio said:

1. Tulsi also goes on FOX  because every time she goes on any other channel they call on her to explain why she is a fan of Assad.

  2. No  one should have to defend themselves for thinking HRC is a neocon and she  was a bad Secretary of State.

   Those are simply facts that are logically deduced from her record.  

    3. And no one  here likes Trump.  But there are people who can see something rather questionable and weird in Russia Gate.  And we also realize the power of the Neocon cabal, since we have seen it grow and grow at least since 1981. To deny that power is simple blindness.

Rupert Murdoch has always been an essential part of the "Neocon cabal."

IMO, the Neocon media mogul, Rupert Murdoch, is simply paying Tulsi Gabbard now to undermine opposition to Donald Trump, the man who was bribed by Sheldon Adelson, et.al., to become a Neocon mule.

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1 hour ago, James DiEugenio said:

3. And no one  here likes Trump.

Where are the anti-Trump articles/segments at Kennedys and King, Black Op Radio or Garrison mag?

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  But there are people who can see something rather questionable and weird in Russia Gate.

Sure.  US intel conjured a complex false flag attack to implicate Putin and Trump in the DNC hack for the purpose of denying Trump the White House.

Two 24 hour news cycles broadcast the "Russia-hacked-DNC" story over the last 5 months of the campaign -- nothing over the last 70 days.  Total blackout on this false flag attack over the last 70 days. 

Sure.

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  And we also realize the power of the Neocon cabal, since we have seen it grow and grow at least since 1981. To deny that power is simple blindness.

To deny that the #1 priority of the Neo-cons in 2016 was U.S. withdrawal from the Iran nuke deal  -- simple blindness.

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How is he paying her?

And how on earth can someone who is about to leave the house influence Pelosi and Schiff's efforts to impeach Trump?

Finally, can you find one other candidate who is reading the Douglass book? Or any related one?

HRC: "“She is a favorite of the Russians,” Clinton said of the combat veteran. “They have a bunch of sites and bots and other ways of supporting her so far.”

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The things about Tulsi that should raise a few eyebrows on a conspiracy forum strangely never get much attention. I like to think her membership in the CFR is there to pad her resume, same with her Atlantic Council credentials.

Let’s call her a Russian agent though, because they’ve been the go to villain ever since Seth Rich was declared dead in the ICU at MedStar.

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The link is just for context. https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/11/revealing-military-official-who-worked-with-top-schiff-witness-alex-vindman-reprimanded-him-for-inappropriate-and-partisan-behavior-in-military/

You can read about how Colonel Vindman’s career consisted of diverting weapons bound for Afghanistan to Libya and Syria in the Wall Street Journal in a few months, or NY Times in a few years. 

Remember the name General John F. Haley.

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...and in the category “you learn something new everyday”, 

Beto's grandfather, Fred Korth, was the Secretary of the Navy under JFK.

We’ll miss you Beto. Don’t fret the Deep State still has Bruce Mann, with Pocahontas serving as Proxy; Navy Intel boy / Maltese Banking Family Buttkieg, and of course Tom Steyer, to keep his father’s secrets, as a Sullivan & Cromwell Partner, secret.

 

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1 hour ago, Robert Wheeler said:

The link is just for context. https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/11/revealing-military-official-who-worked-with-top-schiff-witness-alex-vindman-reprimanded-him-for-inappropriate-and-partisan-behavior-in-military/

You can read about how Colonel Vindman’s career consisted of diverting weapons bound for Afghanistan to Libya and Syria in the Wall Street Journal in a few months, or NY Times in a few years. 

Remember the name General John F. Haley.

I'm thinking Vindman has more integrity than the Pussy Grabbing, Porn Star Boinking, Real Estate Scamming, Serial xxxx and Charity Huskster in the oval office. How's the research going on him?

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12 minutes ago, Bob Ness said:

Nice slime Robert! I'm thinking Vindman has more integrity than the Pussy Grabbing, Porn Star Boinking, Real Estate Scamming, Serial xxxx and Charity Huskster in the oval office. How's the research going on him?

If having more integrity means the weapons containers are returned to the US with Fentynal from China and heroin from Afghanistan, then you are right.

In the meantime. You seem pretty unhinged and your comments are not constructive. I am going to put you on ignore.

You should put me on ignore. That way, when I say things like, Bob Mueller’s father was part of the plot to kill JFK because he, with the help of his brother, John Freeman, at Reynolds Metals submarine works, brokered the Navy’s HEU out of the NUMEC plant via Mark Rich and Gerald Tugwell of Englehard Industries, to the Israelis, while LP Gise, the grandfather of Jeff Bezos, William Taylor Sr., the father of the Ukrainian Ambassador, Glenn Seaborg, John McCone and Merson Booth, all of the AEC, looked the other way; and then formed Tugwell Mueller Associates to broker HEU to the Pakistanis and South Africans, so his son could get a piece of the action, you won’t have a coronary.

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15 minutes ago, Robert Wheeler said:

If having more integrity means the weapons containers are returned to the US with Fentynal from China and heroin from Afghanistan, then you are right.

In the meantime. You seem pretty unhinged and your comments are not constructive. I am going to put you on ignore.

You should put me on ignore. That way, when I say things like, Bob Mueller’s father was part of the plot to kill JFK because he, with the help of his brother, John Freeman, at Reynolds Metals submarine works, brokered the Navy’s HEU out of the NUMEC plant via Mark Rich and Gerald Tugwell of Englehard Industries, to the Israelis, while LP Gise, the grandfather of Jeff Bezos, William Taylor Sr., the father of the Ukrainian Ambassador, Glenn Seaborg, John McCone and Merson Booth, all of the AEC, looked the other way; and then formed Tugwell Mueller Associates to broker HEU to the Pakistanis and South Africans, so his son could get a piece of the action, you won’t have a coronary.

If you mean by unhinged the examples I gave as adjectives I'd like to point out that those are actually factual. Yours are speculation and rumor designed to disparage people you don't agree with. I'm sorry you feel a need to do that.

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Of anybody here, I do think Cliff has the most realistic view of the how the Democratic party works.

I was a Bernie guy too. i was outraged at how the DNC and Wasserman Schultz tried to marginalize Bernie. But Cliff's right, Hilary drew a sizable greater amount of votes in the primaries, and it was largely because of Black voters preference for Hilary just as it is for Biden in the current Dem race. But who knows how that will turn out?

There are a lot of posters here whose primary political issue is to cut defense. Tulsi's perceived with her visit to Assad by many here, as well as the Russians as being the Peace candidate. But the practical truth of the matter is that ending the American imperialist regime change policies are not in the top 10 as far as one of the public's priority issues in  Democratic polling and not in the top 50 of Republican polling. And that's all politicians look at is polls. And that's why Gabbard, whose made this her central issue,  is at 2 %.

Hilary is the greatest example of a Dem candidate perceived with Neocon foreign policy ties, and I've hear a lot of crazy scenarios by some about how she would start WW3.But the truth is, she could never have initiated the War with Iraq in 2003 the way George Bush did., That would be suicide with her Democratic base.  What confuses people is there are situations that can come up, such as the aftermath of 9-11 when the American public demands blood. No President could have any hope of getting re elected in 2004 if he didn't aggressively prosecute the perpetrators of that act. Al Gore would have been a Super Hawk as well, but of course that's no surprise . Gore ran I believe twice before for the Dem nomination., or at least once and he billed himself as the most strong Defense Democrat of the lot. I have no doubt he wouldn't have made the catastrophic blunders of the Bush administration. There are a lot of people here who think that he would just inevitably have gone to War with Iraq. that's not true at all. The War with Iraq was totally conceived by Bush and PNAC. . There was neither  political, governmental  or MIC government "Deep State"  pressure to start that war. That was George Bush's retaliatory baby.

Hilary voted for that Iraq War, which is the chief reason  I voted for Obama in the primary in 2012. Hilary Clinton's career has been so deliberately crafted to eventually run for President. These silly scenarios of WW3 are really so off base. I think of Obama as being the Jackie Robinson President.He in my mind could have gone farther but he bit one for history and decided he wasn't going to get too uppity and spoil it for future Black Presidents. I have no doubt that Hilary in those 8 years would have done the same as the first woman President.. Ok, our relationship with Russia in 2016 wouldn't have been as good, but so what, what are they going to do anyway? (Maybe you say "throw our elections", but remember for many years, the prospects were at lot worse!)

Here's the shocker that people have no clue about.    Hilary's voting for the Iraq War is what any aspiring Democratic Presidential candidate who was a Senator would have done at the time! The worst political calculation of all would have been to vote against it and have the war be an unqualified success.That would have destroyed all Hillary's aspirations for President. Nobody really knew how that war was going to turn out! As it turned out, if she voted against it, she would have coasted to the Presidency in 2012. Voting for it like she did and then  the war being a disaster doesn't ruin her future chances.(look! she actually did win the popular vote for the Presidency!) because it wasn't her or her party that started that disastrous war and she was doing the patriotic thing and supporting her President during a time of war.  Every step of Hillary's career has been calculated to the nth degree to allow as little spontaneity and leave as little to chance as possible. That's what I can't stand about her.

I 'm sure this kind of demystification would be quite a letdown for some here, and some who actually have a financial interest in the idea that a super deep state now exists. And I'm sure they believe it. But was Hilary corrupted by the MIC "deep state"? I guess you could call it that. I call swimming in the political ocean.They scratch each others back and they vote for each other's bills. If you're a Democrat , you can be softer on Defense, but if you want to be President, you can't ultimately be a softy on Defense. The only time that doesn't apply are times like these, when total contrarians, like Trump, Sanders or Warren are actually considered because the public has finally got a clue where the status quo  has lead them all these years.

 

 

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Thanks, Kirk, for that thorough review!

I had to laugh though:

4 hours ago, Kirk Gallaway said:

Every step of Hillary's career has been calculated to the nth degree to allow as little spontaneity and leave as little to chance as possible. That's what I can't stand about her.

This is exactly why I voted for her --both times :>)  She's brilliant at it!  And there isn't a politician alive who is any different.  And, since I agree with her stated values, I want her in my tent pissing out.

I don't think that total transparency is even possible for a politician in these polarized times.  It leaves too much grist for the spin mills.  I had hoped that Obama would be different, but he was faced with a reality he had to deal with.

For me, Hillary's consummate, calculating mind would have been overwhelmingly preferable to what we have now!

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For those in the forum who like Trump, there may soon be a way to worship him.  One is forced to ask where the collection plate money would end up.

Revealed: Trump wanted to build a megachurch

by Paul Bedard

 | November 01, 2019 12:08 PM

 

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/revealed-trump-wanted-to-build-a-mega-church

 

 

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37 minutes ago, Douglas Caddy said:

For those in the forum who like Trump, there may soon be a way to worship him.  One is forced to ask where the collection plate money would end up.

Revealed: Trump wanted to build a megachurch

by Paul Bedard

 | November 01, 2019 12:08 PM

 

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/revealed-trump-wanted-to-build-a-mega-church

 

As the kids say, your premise is "cringy."

Churches are built to worship God. Yeah we get it, Trump is a "narcissist", the story fits a tired narrative, etc.  

 

For those in the forum who like Obama, there will soon be a way to worship himself.  One does not have to ask where the collection plate money ended up.

Obama Library/Shrine

Also, I'm the only Trump supporter here. Don't confuse those that are calling out the idiocy of Schiff, and the criminality of Brennan, Clapper, Strzok, McCabe, Page, Biden, Vindman etc. with being a Trump supporter.

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