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6 hours ago, Dawn Meredith said:

Just because those of us who can spot a Deep State coup when we see one does not mean we are Trump supporters. Hardly. My candidate is Tulsi and not because she called out Clinton for what  she is but because she is the only anti war candidate running. 

Hi Dawn

Could you please post links to all the threads you've started  -- or posts you've put up -- on Deep Politics Forum bashing Trump for his behavior, his policies, or his appointments?

I know you bashed Brett Kavanaugh but, iirc, you didn't take Trump to task for picking him in the first place.  If I'm wrong about that I'll be happy to stand corrected.

Thanks in advance...

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Paul, 

For about the fifth time, I don't like Trump.  And I would never vote for him. Mainly because of his domestic policy.  But I also did not like Nixon.  But I really did not like being duped by the CIA and the MSM into thinking Bob Woodward was some kind of Upton Sinclair.  When he was not any such thing.  In reality, he was covering up the true circumstances of what happened. I will not get duped again, I will not play the sucker for the MSM.

Also, Pelosi was House Minority leader in 2003 until 2007.  She was then Speaker from 2007-2008. Pelosi could have brought a vote to the floor about impeachment.  She actually said, "That is off the table." 

Third, I am not demonizing the Democrats. I like Bernie, I like Warren, and I like Tulsi.  My dream would be Bernie as Pres, Warren as VP, and Tulsi as Secretary of State.

But Clintonism was just a disaster for the party.  Joe Trippi, who managed Dean's candidacy, said the same thing.

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8 minutes ago, James DiEugenio said:

Paul, 

For about the fifth time, I don't like Trump. 

Will someone ask DiEugenio why there are no Trump-bashing articles on Kennedys and King and why he gives a pass to the FBI for sabotaging Clinton's campaign?

Endlessly repeated Trump talking points + relative silence on Trump's crimes = Trump support.

 

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4 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

But Clintonism was just a disaster for the party.  Joe Trippi, who managed Dean's candidacy, said the same thing.

Blue dog was the only option in 1992 IMO. Conservative fiscal, liberal domestic and neo foreign was the only thing that was going to win for Dems.

Never was a big fan of either Clinton, particularly after Al Shifra but would never support a clown like Trump. There was a time I would actually parse through policy goals of candidates regardless of party but there really isn't a need any more. Too bad.

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17 hours ago, Joe Bauer said:

Honestly trying to stay the course of this wonderful JFK truth seeking forum by tempering my burning and highly concerned desire to post about Trump, but this thread's content has compelled me to the breaking point.

I believe we are in the midst of a battle over the perception of right and wrong reality in the minds of our collective societal citizenry regards Trump personally and his political agendas and policies pitting his unmovable support base against those of us who find Trump a morally repulsive, pathologically lying, dangerous fear and hate mongering, self obsessed egomaniac disaster.

It is so disturbing to me how Trump's support base ( especially the millions of supposedly "Christ teaching and following" evangelicals) is purposely ignoring and downplaying the realities of his unprecedented non-presidential even unchristian bad character traits, actions and words and the truly real divisive damage he and they are doing to our nation as a whole.

They actually believe non-condom wearing, extensive philandering Trump gives a hoot about abortion?

They pretend that Trump's extensive sexual predator and philandering history, shady business dealings with shady customers, tax cheating and tax hiding, extorting foreign leaders to aid his own personal political interests, favoring murderous despots who make him money etc.etc, and almost daily obsessive anger inciting public comment attacking of anyone criticizing him with the crudest most base language, insults and taunts that Americans have ever heard from a President is just not that important in judging the moral and emotional character qualifications we expect from our highest elective office holder !?

Seriously, regarding not just his daily rants via his 60 million followers Twitter account but also his super hyperbolic rally ones, it's as if our President is one of those crazy, over-the-top World Federation Wrestling characters who come out on stage yelling Trump like insults against their also crazy yelling ring opponents to work up their stupid audiences into a Roman Colosseum blood lust type frenzy.

Trump: my critics are my enemies and are scum, traitors, XXXXX, losers, degenerates, rats, stupid, weak, corrupt criminals ( "lock her up") lynching bastards, dogs, ugly and on and on and on. 

No sitting U.S. president has ever been this loudly verbally attacking, abusive and crude with no filter or boundaries daily in public forums ( rallies, press statements, tweets ) to an almost psychotic yelling street person level ... until Trump.

This crude and bully minded circus is shameful and even perverse in so many ways. It's sickening coming from a President and 10's of millions of Americans like me are sick of it.

And most of our main stream media is letting Trump get away with this crazy extreme almost daily demonizing and hugely society damaging and divisive trash. Every news site ( internet, TV, radio, newspaper, magazine ) should be condemning this destructive Presidential behavior as outrageously wrong and damaging as often as it is spewed...on a daily basis.

And in response to anyone downplaying Trump's crude, always conflict creating and inciting and nation dividing daily rhetoric as just typical New York City brashness, I say ... that is Judge Judy "RIDICULOUS!"

Only thuggish NYC gangsters and angry street people talk like Trump.

And for those who claim the super loud audience majority booing of Trump during his World Series appearance simply reflected the Washington DC liberal hatred of Trump I again say hogwash.  Look at the ethnic make up of the crowd in attendance. You hardly saw any blacks who make up the majority of that District's population. The huge majority of that booing crowd were non-Hispanic whites and not residents of DC.

Ethnic composition. According to 2017 Census Bureau data, the population of the District of Columbia, was 47.1% Black or African American, 45.1% White (36.8% non-Hispanic White), 4.3% Asian, 0.6% American Indian or Alaska Native, and 0.1% Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander.
 

 

 

 

 

  16 hours ago, Joe Bauer said:

They pretend that Trump's almost daily obsessive attacking of anyone criticizing him with the crudest most base language, insults and taunts that Americans have ever heard from a President is just not that important in judging the moral and emotional qualifications we expect from our highest elective office holder.

That's how we talk in New York. Your opinion is quaint.

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Amen, Joe.  Many of us will not know what we have lost until it is too late.  Professing ourselves wise, we have become fools.  When a political party declares its loyalty to a leader and not to the founding principles of the country, both the principles and the country will perish.  Our republic currently hangs by a thread and it is on fire.  Sometimes a country's future hangs upon one "Profile In Courage".  The question is, do we have even a single person willing to provide this courageous act on our behalf or will this truly be the next American revolution.  The founders of communism said many years ago that the American capitalist system would destroy itself with its own excesses.  I fear we have proven them accurate.

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2 minutes ago, Richard Price said:

Amen, Joe.  Many of us will not know what we have lost until it is too late.  Professing ourselves wise, we have become fools.  When a political party declares its loyalty to a leader and not to the founding principles of the country, both the principles and the country will perish.  Our republic currently hangs by a thread and it is on fire.  Sometimes a country's future hangs upon one "Profile In Courage".  The question is, do we have even a single person willing to provide this courageous act on our behalf or will this truly be the next American revolution.  The founders of communism said many years ago that the American capitalist system would destroy itself with its own excesses.  I fear we have proven them accurate.

Speaking of our country perishing, I saw this story at Mediaite this morning.

I think Johnston is correct about how the Gaslighter-in-Chief will respond to his long overdue impeachment.

All of Trump's policy decisions are based on self-aggrandizement.  The guy has no moral compass.  None.

Trump Biographer Says Trump Will ‘Travel the Country Fomenting Violence’ if He’s Not ‘Put in Jail’

https://www.mediaite.com/radio/trump-biographer-says-trump-will-travel-the-country-fomenting-violence-if-hes-not-put-in-jail/

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9 minutes ago, Richard Price said:

When a political party declares its loyalty to a leader and not to the founding principles of the country, both the principles and the country will perish. 

Oh please, you "Clinton" cabal supporters are pretentious to the point of ridiculousness. Shall we go back and examine who voted for the patriot act in the senate that began the modern tear down of our "founding principles"? Feingold was actually attacked by the R who ended up beating him on this very point. I can't recall the massive uproar in the democratic party to defend Feingold as a wise visionary and not a "soft liberal terrorist sympathizer".

You can't even handle the fact that no one here supports Trump, yet 3 or 4 of us are continually mentioned as such. You all essentially take the position of "Anyone but Trump" regardless of how it happens. The same lightweight biased political discussions have happened on the "left" with every republican president I can remember. Remember the move to impeach Bush anyone? I'm not trying to compare here, but just to point out that this form of opposition that boils down to "we need the clintons/bidens/obamas people because they are the only ones who can win and trump is crazy". In other words, its politically safe to the "establishment".

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33 minutes ago, Dennis Berube said:

Oh please, you "Clinton" cabal supporters are pretentious to the point of ridiculousness. Shall we go back and examine who voted for the patriot act in the senate that began the modern tear down of our "founding principles"? Feingold was actually attacked by the R who ended up beating him on this very point. I can't recall the massive uproar in the democratic party to defend Feingold as a wise visionary and not a "soft liberal terrorist sympathizer".

You can't even handle the fact that no one here supports Trump, yet 3 or 4 of us are continually mentioned as such. You all essentially take the position of "Anyone but Trump" regardless of how it happens. The same lightweight biased political discussions have happened on the "left" with every republican president I can remember. Remember the move to impeach Bush anyone? I'm not trying to compare here, but just to point out that this form of opposition that boils down to "we need the clintons/bidens/obamas people because they are the only ones who can win and trump is crazy". In other words, its politically safe to the "establishment".

I don’t know about that. I don’t think they are the only ones who can win. In fact I think Biden would lose. I think Sanders would have been president if he had gotten the nomination. I didn’t realize there was a Clinton cabal here. I never fell for Clinton. I voted third party for two decades. 

And I also don’t know where you or Wheeler or others stand. I know who you don’t like, not who you do. What’s your solution to preventing Trump from inciting Civil War? Saying you don’t support Trump is weak. He is a nightmare, the worst possible president. Do you agree? 

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4 hours ago, Joe Bauer said:

And for those who claim the super loud audience majority booing of Trump during his World Series appearance simply reflected the Washington DC liberal hatred of Trump I again say hogwash.  Look at the ethnic make up of the crowd in attendance. You hardly saw any blacks who make up the majority of that District's population. The huge majority of that booing crowd were non-Hispanic whites and not residents of DC.

When people speak pejoratively of "Washington DC liberals", they mean the mostly white, bureaucratic, rent seeking, controlling class, not the general population of Federal workers that perform the day-to-day functions of the government, and actually live in the District. 

Washington DC liberals, in the pejorative sense, work in the upper management levels of the FBI, FCC, FDA, etc. think tanks, NGOs, lobbying firms and law firms, etc. They are members of the Senior Executive Service (look it up, very interesting level of Government Employee that is not bound by normal Federal compensation schedules.)

Even DC "liberal" is sort of a misnomer. There are any number of Republicans, "never Trumpers", and conservatives that rely on the largess of Federal contracts to line their pockets, and therefore would "boo" Trump. "Washington DC Liberals" live in the 'burbs, or Georgetown.

A Washington DC liberal is usually not part of the 47% of African Americans in DC cited in your ethnographic statistics. They (the 47%) more than likely will vote for the liberal of Democratic candidate most of the time, nonetheless, their is no reason to lump them in with the upper management, controlling-class rent seekers. You could get rid of the "Washington DC Liberal" Rent Seeking class tomorrow, and the Federal Government would work just fine. If you got rid of the large black population in DC tomorrow (the "Washington DC Liberal" Voters), and the Federal Government would come to a screeching halt.

To simplify;

"Washington DC liberal" Rent Seekers (white liberals) boo'd Trump.

"Washington DC liberal" Voters (black workers) were not at the game.

You confused the two.

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53 minutes ago, Robert Wheeler said:

"When did you stop beating your wife Paul?"

That’s so rude. And a deflection from my question. I find it interesting that you’ve chosen me to be your whipping boy. 

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