Jim Hargrove Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 I've drawn a yellow arrow pointing to the apparently Masked Man in WCE2636. Who is that guy? Was his face deliberately obscured? (Page reproduction is from Google Books.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Bulman Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 I looked for a clearer version. All I came up with is a larger one, still blurry. Doesn't really help. http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh25/pdf/WH25_CE_2635.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Davidson Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 If it helps: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1EExZ-u2rfdoDDtTsGtbHgAS-k9DTtlkh/view?usp=sharing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Bulman Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 2 hours ago, Chris Davidson said: If it helps: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1EExZ-u2rfdoDDtTsGtbHgAS-k9DTtlkh/view?usp=sharing It does. Thank you. It looks like the mask is a shorter persons head between the photographer and Zorro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Andrews Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 14 hours ago, Chris Davidson said: If it helps: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1EExZ-u2rfdoDDtTsGtbHgAS-k9DTtlkh/view?usp=sharing Again, that strange glance of Oswald's toward Ruby, as he's moving toward Oswald, though Oswald looks away before Ruby fully jumps out of the crowd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Hargrove Posted February 6, 2020 Author Share Posted February 6, 2020 16 hours ago, Chris Davidson said: If it helps: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1EExZ-u2rfdoDDtTsGtbHgAS-k9DTtlkh/view?usp=sharing Thanks, Chris. Does this solve the issue for everyone? For some reason, I can't seem to see in this clip exactly what is depicted in CE2636. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cory Santos Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 Is there any debate still about the boom seen in some pictures and not in others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Butler Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 (edited) Jim, I have looked at various photos and film clips and can find no one wearing a mask or knit cap, perhaps. This to me suggests a shadow, but it should not be as dark as that. The next thought is it may be a film / camera artifact. It that doesn't work then it could be an alteration. I does not seem that because the other photos / films do not have it. My best guess it is simply the detective standing near Oswald to the left. He has a black hat which may have blurred due to the action of the film. Hope this helps with understanding. Edited February 6, 2020 by John Butler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Davidson Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 7 hours ago, Jim Hargrove said: Thanks, Chris. Does this solve the issue for everyone? For some reason, I can't seem to see in this clip exactly what is depicted in CE2636. Different angle: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JxsxZfaOes39XnjD70ut4eQbjyiHGIyI/view?usp=sharing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Bristow Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 I wonder if that's even a face at all. Could be a case of pareidolia. Picture what looks like the nose as the thumb of the person's right hand reaching towards the camera with the thumb on top and fingers slightly curled. The light Mark just to the left would be a shirt cuff extending from the jacket. I thought I could see the outline of the person's left shoulder but it's actually being created by the chin of the guy in the foreground. If it is a person they must be in the foreground relative to the white hat cop because he is considerably taller than the white hat cop. I wonder if in the scuffle his hat came down over his forehead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Adams Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 David Andrews, I was going to mention that as well. Did Ruby shout something before he shot? It struck me that if Oswald looked at Ruby as he (Ruby) started moving wouldn't he have kept his eyes on him the rest of the time. It seems surreal that Oswald would look at a man with a gun and then look in a different direction! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Butler Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 15 hours ago, Chris Bristow said: I wonder if that's even a face at all. Could be a case of pareidolia. Picture what looks like the nose as the thumb of the person's right hand reaching towards the camera with the thumb on top and fingers slightly curled. The light Mark just to the left would be a shirt cuff extending from the jacket. I thought I could see the outline of the person's left shoulder but it's actually being created by the chin of the guy in the foreground. If it is a person they must be in the foreground relative to the white hat cop because he is considerably taller than the white hat cop. I wonder if in the scuffle his hat came down over his forehead. Chris, I get to agree with you on this. I had to look up the term pareidolia. It is a well known phenomenon, but I had forgotten the word. In other frames and photos I can not see any other person than the other detective to Oswald's left. However, the angle of the camera may place someone else there and that person is covering up the left hand detective from a position further to the front and left. My best guess is the hat covering his face as you said or motion blurring of the hat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bauer Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Terry Adams said: David Andrews, I was going to mention that as well. Did Ruby shout something before he shot? It struck me that if Oswald looked at Ruby as he (Ruby) started moving wouldn't he have kept his eyes on him the rest of the time. It seems surreal that Oswald would look at a man with a gun and then look in a different direction! After watching the video Chris D. provided over and over and over again one of the questions I kept pondering was the same one T.Adams asks. You can see Oswald is looking right at Ruby while Ruby is coming out of the press line and advancing toward him. Ruby's distance out of the line and into the already quite small space between Oswald and the press line is significantly noticeable in the video. After Oswald looks straight at Ruby while Ruby is already advancing beyond all other persons in the crowd, he then looks away and forward again without the slightest look of concern. Ruby shoots Oswald while Oswald is still looking ahead. All this in what ... a two second time frame? One does see some flashbulb flashes happening throughout the brief time Oswald and his two escorts are walking to and arriving at the shooting spot. One of these occurs a split second before Ruby jumps out. I would imagine these flashes are very bright. Could it be that Oswald might have missed seeing Ruby first jumping towards him due to some very brief flashbulb blindness? So many other questions regards all the video of the Oswald basement entry/murder scene sequence. Captain Fritz's movements, actions and facial expressions right up to, during and right after Ruby's loud shot into Oswald's gut seem curiously odd in an illogically detached way. To the point of seeming bizarre if not suspicious. Fritz separates himself seconds before the shot and meanders several feet away into a security meaningless area and starts old man slowly and weakly waving his arms at no one close by? Except perhaps he was somehow directing the police car inching down to ramp to pick up Oswald? As if the person driving can even see him on the opposite far side of the car? Fritz's physical reaction response to the booming blast of Ruby's 38 is so delayed, it seemed indicative of advanced dementia. As well as his confused out-of-it facial expressions. For a guy who was ready to punch it out with a recalcitrant young punk Buell Wesley Frazier refusing to follow his confession signing orders just two days earlier, Fritz sure got much more old man addled quick. Edited February 8, 2020 by Joe Bauer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Hargrove Posted February 8, 2020 Author Share Posted February 8, 2020 16 hours ago, Chris Bristow said: I wonder if that's even a face at all. Could be a case of pareidolia. Picture what looks like the nose as the thumb of the person's right hand reaching towards the camera with the thumb on top and fingers slightly curled. The light Mark just to the left would be a shirt cuff extending from the jacket. I thought I could see the outline of the person's left shoulder but it's actually being created by the chin of the guy in the foreground. If it is a person they must be in the foreground relative to the white hat cop because he is considerably taller than the white hat cop. I wonder if in the scuffle his hat came down over his forehead. Chris, That does sound possible. A knowledgeable LNer emailed me and said that CE2636 was taken from the KRLD-TV live coverage and that my “masked man” was actually a hand just in front of a black hat worn by a DPD detective. I repeatedly watched the clip he linked and couldn’t see exactly what is shown in CE2636, but I suppose that doesn’t mean it wasn’t there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Davidson Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Jim Hargrove said: Chris, That does sound possible. A knowledgeable LNer emailed me and said that CE2636 was taken from the KRLD-TV live coverage and that my “masked man” was actually a hand just in front of a black hat worn by a DPD detective. I repeatedly watched the clip he linked and couldn’t see exactly what is shown in CE2636, but I suppose that doesn’t mean it wasn’t there. That appears to be correct: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1lw1JHLVGVeKCF5pWtPbLuahN9ZK6aggQ/view?usp=sharing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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