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On 4/2/2020 at 5:04 PM, David Andrews said:

Good catch, the Elm Street/Deep Ellum connection.  "Deep Ellum Blues" is a traditional African-American folk song that Dylan has performed, and has more frequently been performed by the Grateful Dead.

Deep Ellum itself was a storied African-American neighborhood in Dallas through the mid-19th to mid-20th centuries, and was the place a man went for a dangerous good time.  That's why you have to "keep your money in your shoe."

[wiki:] After independence from the Mexican-American War, Texas became a part of the United States in 1845. Four years later, Dallas was founded after the Civil War. After the 1850s’ slave liberation in Texas, many slaves from Texas and nearby states built their houses and cropped their land in the future Deep Ellum, which was one of the largest African-American communities.[1] This community holds the most history in the Dallas area.

When you go down to Deep Ellum
Keep your money in your shoes
When you're down in Deep Ellum
Gives you Deep Ellum blues
 
Hey pretty mama
Your daddy's got them Deep Ellum blues
Tell your brothers and your sisters
Daddy's got them Deep Ellum blues
 
Well I went down to Deep Ellum
On a one way track
Well they took my money boys
And they never give it back
 
Hey pretty mama
Your daddy's got them Deep Ellum blues
Tell your brothers and your sisters
Your daddy's got them Deep Ellum blues
 
 

 

Great post, David.  I've always loved Jerry Garcia's renditions of Deep Ellum Blues-- including the live (DAT) recording in '87 of the Jerry Garcia Acoustic Band.

(Incidentally, I think the best Jerry Garcia old timey acoustic album ever was the Shady Grove album he recorded with David Grisman shortly before his untimely death.)

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On 4/1/2020 at 8:26 PM, Ron Bulman said:

Hi Sandy.  I know you posted a while back about some health problems.  Nice to see you on here, I've always enjoyed your posts and found them informative.  As an aside not meant to distract from the thread topic, "Tarleton's Quarter" became a rallying cry in the Revolutionary War in South Carolina as a result of Tarleton's no quarter.  Kind of like Remember the Alamo.  The Patriots often gave no quarter afterwards.  Inspiring them to victory at Kings Mountain.  Which I believe it was Ben Franklin who thought it was the final decisive victory of the revolution.  The Red Coat's left shortly after.  I just read about this recently myself.

 https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/tarleton-gives-quarter-in-south-carolina

 

Hi Ron,

Thanks for the "no quarter" trivia/history lesson and for your kind words. I enjoy also your posts and those of others here on the forum. It's nice to come here and see what people you've come to know and respect (or disrespect, as the case may be LOL) have to say. I've learned a lot.

 

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W. I can't remember what Dylan thread it was that you asked about. It wasn't Hale Boggs , it was John Mc Cloy who corrected Dulles about the LIncoln Assassination.Believe it or not!

Probably there are great lists of concerts that we kick ourselves for not attending. I was in high school, when a friend suggested we go down to the Monterey Pop Festival, which was about 100 miles away from where I grew up, on the night Hendrix played. 5 days before the date he got busted by his parents  for pot. So that put the damper on that.

I've seen rock documentaries where they made it seem like Hendrix was a complete unknown before Monterey. But I remember "Purple Haze " was out at the time.

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On 4/2/2020 at 5:49 PM, James DiEugenio said:

Here you go Jeanie:

https://www.amazon.com/-/es/Jeanie-S-Dean/dp/0615911161

 

168 pages of poems and its blurbed by Mike Parenti.

I checked Amazon for my book The Whole World Stopped  (kind of what is happening now), and a reseller offers the book for a hefty collector price.  My seller account is inactive.

If anyone would like my book below list price, message or email me and you can have it shipped for $17. Oh yes, Scarlett Hart (not me) is the first review.  And that  would make another left field reference to Dean's book in Dylan's lyric: "Frankly Miss Scarlet I don't give a damn."
There you have it support the arts,  try something new during this quarantine. 

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41 minutes ago, Kirk Gallaway said:

W. I can't remember what Dylan thread it was that you asked about. It wasn't Hale Boggs , it was John Mc Cloy who corrected Dulles about the LIncoln Assassination.Believe it or not!

Probably there are great lists of concerts that we kick ourselves for not attending. I was in high school, when a friend suggested we go down to the Monterey Pop Festival, which was about 100 miles away from where I grew up, on the night Hendrix played. 5 days before the date he got busted by his parents  for pot. So that put the damper on that.

I've seen rock documentaries where they made it seem like Hendrix was a complete unknown before Monterey. But I remember "Purple Haze " was out at the time.

My two biggest concert blunders.

1)  When I was in high school, I passed on a chance to hear an obscure piano player from New York for $5 at Denver's small "Ebbet's Field" bar/club down on 15th and Curtis. I decided to play handball at the YMCA that night instead. The guy's name was Billy Joel.

2)  Passed on a chance to hear a cheap concert by a punk band from RISD at the Pembroke campus during my sophomore year at Brown.  (I was a folk musician and a Dead Head at the time.)  It was the Talking Heads.

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On 4/4/2020 at 11:20 AM, Kirk Gallaway said:

W. I can't remember what Dylan thread it was that you asked about. It wasn't Hale Boggs , it was John Mc Cloy who corrected Dulles about the LIncoln Assassination.Believe it or not!

Probably there are great lists of concerts that we kick ourselves for not attending. I was in high school, when a friend suggested we go down to the Monterey Pop Festival, which was about 100 miles away from where I grew up, on the night Hendrix played. 5 days before the date he got busted by his parents  for pot. So that put the damper on that.

I've seen rock documentaries where they made it seem like Hendrix was a complete unknown before Monterey. But I remember "Purple Haze " was out at the time.

I was 15 and living just 4 miles from the Monterey Fairgrounds when the Monterey Pop Festival took place there.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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When Mark Jacobson (now a screenwriter, author, and journalist) and I heard by radio at the University of Wisconsin,

Madison, Memorial Union that Otis Redding had died in a plane crash, we went to the nightclub

where he was supposed to perform. People were lined up to get in; they didn't know what had

happened, so we told them. I also remember vividly "The Day the Music Died," which I heard

about by watching AMERICAN BANDSTAND.

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10 minutes ago, Joseph McBride said:

When Mark Jacobson (now a screenwriter, author, and journalist) and I heard by radio at the University of Wisconsin,

Madison, Memorial Union that Otis Redding had died in a plane crash, we went to the nightclub

where he was supposed to perform. People were lined up to get in; they didn't know what had

happened, so we told them.

 

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16 hours ago, Kirk Gallaway said:

Probably there are great lists of concerts that we kick ourselves for not attending.

I attended an Elvis concert right after he made it big (it was '56 or '57) at the Florida Theater in Jacksonville. The mayor of the city announced beforehand that he was going to sit on the front row and have Elvis arrested if he wiggled too much on stage. Elvis took the threat seriously. He didn't wiggle at all, he just stood around and sang like he was bored to death. As for the music itself, you couldn't even hear it because of women screaming.

So I can't kick myself for not attending. I and everyone else wanted to kick the mayor for attending.

 

  

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Otis Redding just gripped my emotions.

The most soulful male singer I have ever heard in my life.

I had heard Bobby "Blue" Bland, John Lee Hooker and so many others as my older brothers played their records constantly starting when I was in elementary school.

However, the first time I ever heard Redding sing was on the radio. Again, via radio station "KDIA" out of Oakland.

And the first song of Redding's I heard was "Try A Little Tenderness."

OMG!   

Talk about instant emotion gripping and thought provoking soulfulness!

It was almost like a life changing church sermon experience. Even a morality one.

It made me feel for girls in a more sympathetic and caring way that I had never even contemplated before.

Their softer nature. Their need for tenderness. Especially when they were going through heavy burdens to bear.

I needed to hear that message. To feel a deeper and more understanding love for them.

I listened to that song over and over and over. I would sing along to it.

 

 

 
 
 

 

 

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I'm friends with Abraham Bolden on Facebook and felt compelled to ask him what he thought of Dylan's song.  

I got a great response:

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Just curious what James DiEugenio and Vince Palamara think of Bolden's story and if you've ever spoken with him.  He seems to be the only reliable third-party witness still alive who saw the machinations of the conspirators up close before and after the assassination.  

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