Benjamin Cole Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 (edited) The 'Phants probably bungled badly with the abortion issue, although party control of SC justices is not a given. The 'Phants may have stolen defeat from the jaws of victory. The Donks are lucky---no matter how craven and corrupted they become, they get to run against the 'Phants, who may be even less swift. In the end, abortion is a diversionary and divisive issue of the type the two parties and the M$M love. The Supreme Court has handed the Donks a big gift. The Donks don't have to do anything for the middle class---they can posture "for abortion" and seek those votes. This is like the "Phants being "for guns." Edited June 26, 2022 by Benjamin Cole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W. Niederhut Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 (edited) "The Donks don't have anything to do for the middle class," Ben? What planet are you living on? Which party has been cutting taxes for the wealthy, and undermining the unions that created the American middle class, for the past 40 years? But, more importantly, the main significance of this catastrophic SCOTUS Dobbs ruling isn't about mere partisan political expediency. You and Trump seem to be cynically focused on how this ruling will impact voting. The real significance is that this ruling undermines individual rights, and subjects individuals living in conservative red states to the tyranny of the majority. (It's formally similar to the 5-4 SCOTUS ruling in Shelby v. Holder-- undermining enforcement of the Voting Rights Act in red states.) What's next-- allowing red state legislatures to ban contraceptives and same sex marriages? Edited June 26, 2022 by W. Niederhut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Cole Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 12 minutes ago, W. Niederhut said: "The Donks don't have anything to do for the middle class," Ben? What planet are you living on? Which party has been cutting taxes for the wealthy, and undermining the unions that created the American middle class, for the past 40 years? But, more importantly, the main significance of this catastrophic SCOTUS Dobbs ruling isn't about mere partisan political expediency. You and Trump seem to be cynically focused on how this ruling will impact voting. The real significance is that this ruling undermines individual rights, and subjects individuals living in conservative red states to the tyranny of the majority. (It's formally similar to the 5-4 SCOTUS ruling in Shelby v. Holder-- undermining enforcement of the Voting Rights Act in red states.) What's next-- allowing red state legislatures to ban contraceptives and same sex marriages? W- Tell me what happened to America's middle class in the last 55 years. The Donks: NAFTA-happy, trade with China is great. The Donks are against a border wall. So, the Donks will make big noise on abortion now. And still will undercut America's middle class, and spend $1.4 trillion a year on "national security." I advise against strong party affiliations in the US, given the craven two parties. French voters recently obliterated their establishment parties. Maybe the Europeans are more politically aware than Americans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Cole Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/philboas/2022/06/25/democrats-abortion-court-law-roe-v-wade-biden-extremists/7731452001/ Interesting perspective. The legal nuances are beyond me, but evidently even left-wing and liberal legal scholars have argued the Roe v. Wade ruling had Constitutional feet of clay. --- "For more than a month, pro-abortion militants have been firebombing and smashing churches and anti-abortion family centers in anticipation of the U.S. Supreme Court ruling overturning Roe v. Wade. On Friday they planned “A Night of Rage” to scream at conservative justices and to put the anti-abortion right on notice" ---30--- I had not realized the pro-abortion people had become violent, using firebombing tactics (an old KKK calling card, put into new bottles). Here is another story regarding Phoenix: https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona/2022/06/25/arizona-dps-state-senators-describe-escalation-phoenix-protest-after-roe-v-wade-overturned/7735781001/ "Up to an estimated 8,000 people gathered in downtown Phoenix on Friday evening to protest the U.S. Supreme Court’s overturning of Roe v. Wade. What was a peaceful protest escalated into “anarchical and criminal actions by masses of splinter groups” at the Arizona Capitol complex, according to a statement issued by state police on Saturday. Protesters pounded on the glass doors and windows of the state Senate building and defaced several state memorials. Despite the escalation, the Arizona Department of Public Safety reported no arrests or injuries in connection with the demonstration. “As groups realized the state legislature was in session, they attempted to breach the doors of the Arizona Senate and force their way into the building,” the DPS statement said. “The violence of their efforts literally shook the building and terrified citizens and lawmakers who occupied the building.” ---30--- I guess security at the Arizona Senate building was better than on 1/6 at Capitol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Allison Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 6 minutes ago, Benjamin Cole said: I had not realized the pro-abortion people had become violent, using firebombing tactics LOL Hey Ben- I thought you already knew this, but you shouldn't believe everything you read on the internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Cole Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 (edited) 19 hours ago, Matt Allison said: LOL Hey Ben- I thought you already knew this, but you shouldn't believe everything you read on the internet. "23 Pro-Life Organizations Vandalized, Firebombed by Pro-Abortion Activists in Recent Weeks"--- https://cincinnatirighttolife.org/media/23-pro-life-organizations-vandalized-firebombed-pro-abortion-activists-recent-weeks ---30--- Pro-Abortion Terrorists Firebomb Oregon Pregnancy Center https://www.nationalreview.com/news/pro-abortion-terrorists-firebomb-oregon-pregnancy-center/ Jun 13, 2565 BE — Pro-abortion terrorists fire-bombed a pregnancy center in Gresham, Ore., that offers maternal care and information to expecting mothers. ---30--- Fire at New York anti-abortion facility investigated as suspected arson Building in upstate New York New had its windows smashed and premises allegedly firebombed https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/08/new-york-anti-abortion-facility-suspected-arson ---30--- Pro-Abortion Terrorists Firebomb Buffalo Pro-Life Pregnancy ... https://news.yahoo.com › pro-abortion-terrorists-firebo... Jun 7, 2565 BE — Pro-abortion terrorists firebombed a pro-life Christian pregnancy center in Buffalo, N.Y., inflicting significant damage on the building and ... ---30--- I dunno Matt. Seems like anti-abortion centers are getting firebombed, and that there was a violent pro-abortion scrum at the Arizona legislature. Edited June 27, 2022 by Benjamin Cole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Allison Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 The way National Review (one of the nation's oldest extremist right-wing publications) decides to frame things is not journalism, but op-ed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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W. Niederhut Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 Alito detailed long-term plan to overturn Roe v Wade in 1985 memowww.rawstory.com/samuel-alito/June 26, 2022According to a report from the New York Times’ Charlie Savage, Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito has been making plans to overturn the 50-year-old Roe v Wade ruling based upon a memo that he wrote in 1985 where he counseled patience during the Ronald Reagan administration. Alito, who wrote Friday’s decision that overturned Row — and subsequently set off mass demonstrations across the country by effectively turning women into second-class citizens — reportedly “cautioned the Reagan administration against mounting a frontal assault on Roe v. Wade.”In his 1985 memo Alito, “advocated focusing on a more incremental argument: The court should uphold the regulations as reasonable. That strategy would ‘advance the goals of bringing about the eventual overruling of Roe v. Wade and, in the meantime, of mitigating its effects,” reports the Times Savage.“Roe was egregiously wrong from the start. Its reasoning was exceptionally weak, and the decision has had damaging consequences, he wrote. “And far from bringing about a national settlement of the abortion issue, Roe and Casey have enflamed debate and deepened division.”According to the Times report, “In a memo on the cases, Mr. Alito displayed not only tactical acumen but personal passion, taking umbrage with a judge’s objection that forcing women to listen to details about fetal development before their abortions would cause ‘emotional distress, anxiety, guilt and in some cases increased physical pain,” with Alito dismissing their concerns by writing the such concerns “are part of the responsibility of moral choice.”The Times reports that during Senate hearings on his appointment to the highest court in the land, when the 1985 memo was brought up, he responded, “When someone becomes a judge, you really have to put aside the things that you did as a lawyer at prior points in your legal career and think about legal issues the way a judge thinks about legal issues.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douglas Caddy Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Allison Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 Zealous right-wing politicians costumed in robes pretending to be United States Supreme Court justices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Davidson Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 Better yet, SCOTUS was replaced by: S upreme C ourt R epublicans O ppressive T rump U seless M inions Give em a good kick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W. Niederhut Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 Jack White Blasts Trump for “All the Abortions You Secretly Paid For” After Roe v. Wade Overturned https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/jack-white-blasts-trump-abortions-182957879.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douglas Caddy Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 (edited) This is worth a good laugh. ttps://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/108545371178460369 Edited June 27, 2022 by Douglas Caddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Cole Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 7 hours ago, W. Niederhut said: Alito detailed long-term plan to overturn Roe v Wade in 1985 memowww.rawstory.com/samuel-alito/June 26, 2022According to a report from the New York Times’ Charlie Savage, Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito has been making plans to overturn the 50-year-old Roe v Wade ruling based upon a memo that he wrote in 1985 where he counseled patience during the Ronald Reagan administration. Alito, who wrote Friday’s decision that overturned Row — and subsequently set off mass demonstrations across the country by effectively turning women into second-class citizens — reportedly “cautioned the Reagan administration against mounting a frontal assault on Roe v. Wade.”In his 1985 memo Alito, “advocated focusing on a more incremental argument: The court should uphold the regulations as reasonable. That strategy would ‘advance the goals of bringing about the eventual overruling of Roe v. Wade and, in the meantime, of mitigating its effects,” reports the Times Savage.“Roe was egregiously wrong from the start. Its reasoning was exceptionally weak, and the decision has had damaging consequences, he wrote. “And far from bringing about a national settlement of the abortion issue, Roe and Casey have enflamed debate and deepened division.”According to the Times report, “In a memo on the cases, Mr. Alito displayed not only tactical acumen but personal passion, taking umbrage with a judge’s objection that forcing women to listen to details about fetal development before their abortions would cause ‘emotional distress, anxiety, guilt and in some cases increased physical pain,” with Alito dismissing their concerns by writing the such concerns “are part of the responsibility of moral choice.”The Times reports that during Senate hearings on his appointment to the highest court in the land, when the 1985 memo was brought up, he responded, “When someone becomes a judge, you really have to put aside the things that you did as a lawyer at prior points in your legal career and think about legal issues the way a judge thinks about legal issues.” Actually, a lot of legal scholars think the reasoning behind Roe v. Wade was weak, and has Constitutional feet of clay. https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/05/does-the-reasoning-in-roe-v-wade-matter.html "The idea that Roe v. Wade was a bad Supreme Court decision — legally, not morally — is hardly an opinion limited to conservatives. Indeed, Samuel Alito, in his fire-breathing draft opinion to overturn the decision, quoted some prominent liberals over the years, including Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Laurence Tribe, who have argued that the reasoning in the 1973 decision, which focused on a woman’s right to privacy, was unpersuasive. And they’re far from alone. In 1992’s Planned Parenthood v. Casey, which reaffirmed Roe (but with additional restrictions), a Supreme Court majority helped sharpen the legal argument. Still, abortion has never been a straightforwardly constitutional matter. How much does that actually matter here, in your view? Clearly the conservative justices on the Court are ideological enemies of abortion, but to what extent has the legal gray area made their jobs easier in heavily restricting it?" ---30--- But no matter. The Donks have a terrific and diversionary and divisive issue to campaign on. They may actually hold off a 'Phant takeover in 2022 on the Congress. Like it matters. Did anything change after Nixon left office, or Trump? I can remember when it was the right-wing that condemned the Supreme Court, and federal judges, and said that such institutions had lost respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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