W. Niederhut Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Robert Burrows said: Since we're sharing examples of politicians exhibiting signs of infirmity... Robert, These paraphasic Trump errors are, in my opinion, further evidence that Trump has suffered left frontal cortical strokes. They are the kind of speech deficits observed in Broca's aphasia-- caused by damage to the left frontal (motor) cortex. People with Broca's aphasias understand speech, and know what they want to say, but they have difficulty with articulation. This Broca's aphasia would also be consistent with Trump's apparent partial right hemi-paresis-- weakness of his right arm and leg. It has been evident on videos in which Trump is not making a conscious effort to compensate for his neurologic deficts. Meanwhile, Trump has been busted today for promoting yet another fake Biden video-- this time, showing Biden appearing to listen to an anti-police song at a rally. P.S. Wheeler's (above) photos are not the deep fake 2016 "seizure" videos of Hillary that I mentioned. As I recall, these were taken at a time when Hillary had been orthostatic during a brief episode of "walking" pneumonia-- hardly comparable to Trump's neurologic deficits. Is it time to start posting videos for Wheeler of Trump losing his balance and defecating in his pants? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Thomas Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 (edited) Lemmings and Trump cult followers are two examples of “herd mentality” ‘Herd developed’: Trump’s death cult would rather get COVID-19 than admit they were wrong By Amanda Marcotte September 16, 2020 https://www.rawstory.com/2020/09/herd-developed-trumps-cult-would-rather-get-19-than-admit-they-were-wrong/ "TRUMP: It is going away. STEPHANOPOULOS: Without a vaccine? TRUMP: Sure. Over a period of time. STEPHANOPOULOS: And many deaths. TRUMP: It’s gonna be herd developed." “The wild thing is how many people turned up for the dubious pleasures of risking their lives to hear Dr. Bleach-Injector’s whiny, singsong cadence for more than an hour. Thousands of people showed up at the Henderson rally, putting it all on the line to show the world that they’re willing to get sick or even die rather than admit it was a bad idea to elect a racist reality-TV host with the moral compass of a serial killer to the highest office in the land.” By packing thousands of people into indoor arenas, is Trump deliberately trying to thin the herd? "It is what it is." Steve Thomas Edited September 16, 2020 by Steve Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Burrows Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, W. Niederhut said: Robert, These paraphasic Trump errors are, in my opinion, further evidence that Trump has suffered left frontal cortical strokes. They are the kind of speech deficits observed in Broca's aphasia-- caused by damage to the left frontal (motor) cortex. People with Broca's aphasias understand speech, and know what they want to say, but they have difficulty with articulation. This Broca's aphasia would also be consistent with Trump's apparent partial right hemi-paresis-- weakness of his right arm and leg. It has been evident on videos in which Trump is not making a conscious effort to compensate for his neurologic deficts. Meanwhile, Trump has been busted today for promoting yet another fake Biden video-- this time, showing Biden appearing to listen to an anti-police song at a rally. P.S. Wheeler's (above) photos are not the deep fake 2016 "seizure" videos of Hillary that I mentioned. As I recall, these were taken at a time when Hillary had been orthostatic during a brief episode of "walking" pneumonia-- hardly comparable to Trump's neurologic deficits. Is it time to start posting videos for Wheeler of Trump losing his balance and defecating in his pants? Not to make light of the President's neurological condition, because semantic dementia is not a laughing matter, but last night's malapropism was a whopper. While discussing the pandemic with George Stephanopoulos the President asserted that the population of the United States would eventually "...develop like a herd mentality..." Sad. Edited September 16, 2020 by Robert Burrows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Carter Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 autumn 2020 conspiracy panic zeitgeist “ A recent conspiracy panic campaign, #Russiagate, presented a mythic (and factually laughable) explanation for how the Democrats managed to lose the unloseable 2016 election. It appears to have been intended to weaken or to knock Trump out of office. If so, it backfired completely, presenting a fictional distraction from the far-worse realities of the regime’s violent policies and incipient fascism... However, the #Russiagate conspiracy panic operation also succeeded, insofar as it has functioned to condition most Democratic-type liberals (and some of the left) to uncritically accept a xenophobic explanation for the rise of an all-American fascism, and insofar as it has gained much support among them for a bellicose, new-Cold War stance and widespread favor for censorship measures (run by private mega-corporations) to combat ‘propaganda’ and ‘conspiracy theory.’” https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/09/16/conspiracy-panic/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Andrews Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 7 hours ago, Robert Wheeler said: Gin is for fighting. Gin and Tonic is for fighting the Covid virus. Gin is a perfumed swill for sissy souses who can't handle vodka neat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bauer Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 (edited) Am trying to take a break from this thread but this latest Trump tweeting action is just too disgustingly and bar lowering outrageous to remain silent. Trump retweets a Biden "Pedolphile" claim slander to his 86 million followers. "U.S. President Donald Trump entered alarming new rhetorical territory in the battle for the White House on Sept. 15, 2020, promoting a tweet that labeled his Democratic opponent, Joe Biden, a pedophile. The remarkable attack took place when Trump retweeted an earlier post by @ConservUSA38, which contained the hashtag #PedoBiden, along with a short video of Biden standing close to a woman, placing his hands on her shoulders, and leaning his face into the back of her head:" How much lower can a President go in this arena? There seems to be no bottom to his sleaze factor. This from a sexual predator who ogles young Ms. Universe contestants while they are dressing, grabs women by the pu$$Y and brags to others about not just doing it but getting away with it, is facing rape charges from a respected New York City magazine writer, is charged by dozens of other women of similar sexual battery who were willing to put their real names in the public domain through a nationally distributed expose book ( All The President's Women And The Making Of A Sexual Predator" to try to educate America as to Trump's serial sexual predator actions, pays off porn stars and Playboy Centerfolds to keep his extra-marital sex affairs with them from public knowledge, parties with serial child sex offenders like Jeffrey Epstein and still today publicly expresses sympathy towards Epstein's underage girl victims procurer Ghislane Maxwell after her arrest and imprisonment? U.S. Army attorney Joe Welch's public "At long last, have you no decency" denunciation of Joe McCarthy over McCarthy's cruel and totally hypocritical attacks on others is more and more appropriate in putting Trump's personal attack abuses in their true reality unethical and damaging perspective. On June 9, 1954, the 30th day of the Army–McCarthy hearings, Welch challenged Roy Cohn to provide U.S. Attorney General Herbert Brownell Jr. with McCarthy's list of 130 Communists or subversives in defense plants "before sundown". McCarthy stepped in and said that if Welch was so concerned about persons aiding the Communist Party, he should check on a man in his Boston law office named Fred Fisher, who had once belonged to the National Lawyers Guild, which Brownell had called "the legal mouthpiece of the Communist Party".[6] Welch had privately discussed the matter with Fisher beforehand and the two agreed Fisher should not participate in the hearings. Welch dismissed Fisher's association with the NLG as a youthful indiscretion and attacked McCarthy for naming the young man before a nationwide television audience without prior warning or previous agreement to do so: Welch (left) being questioned by Senator Joe McCarthy (right) at the Army–McCarthy hearings, June 9, 1954. Until this moment, Senator, I think I have never really gauged your cruelty or your recklessness. Fred Fisher is a young man who went to the Harvard Law School and came into my firm and is starting what looks to be a brilliant career with us....Little did I dream you could be so reckless and so cruel as to do an injury to that lad. It is true he is still with Hale and Dorr. It is true that he will continue to be with Hale and Dorr. It is, I regret to say, equally true that I fear he shall always bear a scar needlessly inflicted by you. If it were in my power to forgive you for your reckless cruelty I would do so. I like to think I am a gentleman, but your forgiveness will have to come from someone other than me. When McCarthy tried to renew his attack, Welch interrupted him: Senator, may we not drop this? We know he belonged to the Lawyers Guild ... Let us not assassinate this lad further, Senator. You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir? At long last, have you left no sense of decency? McCarthy tried to ask Welch another question about Fisher, and Welch interrupted: Mr. McCarthy, I will not discuss this further with you. You have sat within six feet of me and could have asked me about Fred Fisher. You have seen fit to bring it out. And if there is a God in Heaven it will do neither you nor your cause any good. I will not discuss it further. I will not ask Mr. Cohn any more witnesses. You, Mr. Chairman, may, if you will, call the next witness. At this, those watching the proceedings broke into applause. Edited September 16, 2020 by Joe Bauer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bauer Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 1 minute ago, David Andrews said: Gin is a perfumed swill for sissy souses who can't handle vodka neat. True. But both destroy your liver and cognitive abilities equally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Gallaway Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Jeff Carter said: autumn 2020 conspiracy panic zeitgeist “ A recent conspiracy panic campaign, #Russiagate, presented a mythic (and factually laughable) explanation for how the Democrats managed to lose the unloseable 2016 election. It appears to have been intended to weaken or to knock Trump out of office. If so, it backfired completely, presenting a fictional distraction from the far-worse realities of the regime’s violent policies and incipient fascism... However, the #Russiagate conspiracy panic operation also succeeded, insofar as it has functioned to condition most Democratic-type liberals (and some of the left) to uncritically accept a xenophobic explanation for the rise of an all-American fascism, and insofar as it has gained much support among them for a bellicose, new-Cold War stance and widespread favor for censorship measures (run by private mega-corporations) to combat ‘propaganda’ and ‘conspiracy theory.’” https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/09/16/conspiracy-panic/ I've read it now Jeff. What an unfocused bit of writing! But he covers the most sensational stuff, which I'm sure is lure for you. Q anon, Epstein. Even WMD from almost 20 years ago. Of course, about that, You're preaching to the choir Jeff. Despite your desire to keep coming back to "Russiagate" it hasn't made any difference in polling at all, and the impeachment has only effected polling marginally. The covid response is the overriding issue, and the Republicans are trying to elevate law and order. This could have been written 9 months ago. The author seems completely dumbstruck about the pandemic and barely wants to touch it. I think I've see only one reference in the whole piece, Jeff, you would realize that, if your thinking wasn't so Russo centric. Your quotes. It appears to have been intended to weaken or to knock Trump out of office. If so, it backfired completely, presenting a fictional distraction from the far-worse realities of the regime’s violent policies and incipient fascism... What are you talking about Jeff?, we haven't been distracted at all. We've been schooling you for the last 3 years, when you've been the "what me worry" guy about Trump fascism and you've been overwhelmed at the incredible scope of a "deep state" investigation that ignored to dare step into an investigation of Trump's finances which is his most critical link to foreign powers. We warned you of fascism , while you were frightened that the all knowing "American Deep State" would jump over the national boundary and somehow inflame your homeland. In reality, the U.S. government that makes you shake in your boots, can't even shoot straight. Mueller refused to launch an investigation into Trump's finances though he had the power to do so. He didn't bother to push to interview the President, maybe because he was just too much a gentleman and decided not to, after Trump's lawyer, Dowd said Trump would inevitably incriminate himself. Do you know that, Jeff? And of course Comey, bringing up HC's unexamined e-mails a week before the election, obviously damaging her prospects. Does that sound like the hard core anti Trump team was soooo effective Jeff? They clumsily probably ended up giving Trump the election. This is the first mention I've ever seen from you about Trump's fascist tendencies. Now you're going to act like you've been concerned about them all the time? Well better late than never. it has functioned to condition most Democratic-type liberals (and some of the left) to uncritically accept a xenophobic explanation for the rise of an all-American fascism, I was so puzzled by this, and still am. I don't get it Jeff. Are you and the author saying that Trump doesn't appeal to xenophobic fears?? So he calls it "All American fascism", but it's fascism that's not xenophobic? Since you thought it worth quoting, please explain it to me. He doesn't seem very aware of his terms. The article is going back 20 years to the claims of WMD. Can you find anybody here who believed in those claims? Of course we cant know now. But do you think many people here believed them back then, other than say ardent Bush backer, Wheeler? This piece is just a lot of rambling. He doesn't tie things together well. But I thought this was an interesting turn at the end. I'd like to hear your thoughts Jeff. Conspiracy panic nowadays is a go-to for liberals to deny and distract and divert to incremental bullxxxx, and not have to think about systemic irrationality, falsehood, evils and failures, and how most of the unfolding disasters — including Trump himself — are not aberrations or surprises but predictable and systemic. Edited September 16, 2020 by Kirk Gallaway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douglas Caddy Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 Trump stuck at 42% job approval. How does an incumbent president win with such a dismal record? What he does is rig the election. https://news.gallup.com/poll/320303/trump-stuck-42-job-approval.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Carter Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 46 minutes ago, Kirk Gallaway said: I thought this was an interesting turn at the end. I'd like to hear your thoughts Jeff. I’ll just add what I’ve consistently said since 2017: Trump’s election opened the biggest hole in the beltway consensus in decades, and yet the opportunity it created was effectively squandered by focussing all energies on a phony conspiracy theory. Not sure such opportunity will appear again. CounterPunch has been publishing lots of differing views in recent months. Here’s another good piece from today: Will A Biden Foreign Policy Make A Difference For The World?https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/09/16/will-a-biden-foreign-policy-make-a-difference-for-the-world/ Also, lawyers representing US gov explicitly stated yesterday at the Assange extradition hearing - not being covered by US corporate press - that the 1917 Espionage Act does apply to journalists and publishers, and that the Supreme Court ruling on Pentagon Papers was directed to a technicality and not the broader issue of criminality of the press using classified information in general. see Consortium News Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Gallaway Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 Jeff said: Trump’s election opened the biggest hole in the beltway consensus in decades, and yet the opportunity it created was effectively squandered by focussing all energies on a phony conspiracy theory.Not sure such opportunity will appear again. ??? what opportunities are you talking about? Be specific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Carter Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 18 minutes ago, Kirk Gallaway said: Jeff said: Trump’s election opened the biggest hole in the beltway consensus in decades, and yet the opportunity it created was effectively squandered by focussing all energies on a phony conspiracy theory.Not sure such opportunity will appear again. ??? what opportunities are you talking about? Be specific. The opportunity for a New Deal / progressive platform to reassert itself in light of the dominant corporatist DNC wing thoroughly discrediting itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douglas Caddy Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 Forecast by The Economist magazine of the outcome of the presidential election as of today. You have to read this. https://projects.economist.com/us-2020-forecast/president?fbclid=IwAR1fSnkpn1oJSo90paoKaIgsqDOS1TKu8Pnmxwbzy6u22mluW_AoB5U5yuA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Gallaway Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 Jeff said:The opportunity for a New Deal / progressive platform to reassert itself in light of the dominant corporatist DNC wing thoroughly discrediting itself. So the dominant corporatist DNC wing discrediting itself by doing what? How could that be a more likely "opportunity" as result of a Trump Presidency? To hear you tell it, the corporate wing of the DNC did do that pursuing "Russia gate", and got discredited, but that didn't happen. A lot of myths there Jeff. About the New Deal Progressive Platform, The only thing that will make that happen would be a grass roots movement of the Democratic base. Actually a transformation of the Democratic Party is much more feasible than the Republicans. Trump hasn't transformed the party at all. The Republicans are completely split, and ready to bail should Trump lose. The Republican base has always been corporate. The Trump ''disenfranchised' voter is hardly represented in numbers in Congress at all. Another conspiracy myth, is the power of the DNC. Yes Wasserman Schultz got in the way of Bernie. But HC had a majority of the delegates. The heads of the party apparatus often change after every major election, particularly if they lose. I think there have been a few here perpetuating a myth. The party apparatus is not another "Deep State" Jeff. If a candidate like Bernie got the most delegates by a clear majority. The party would be helpless to oppose it, just like the RNC was with Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Varnell Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 2 hours ago, Jeff Carter said: The opportunity for a New Deal / progressive platform to reassert itself in light of the dominant corporatist DNC wing thoroughly discrediting itself. I’m shocked by the degree Jeff reflects ignorance of American politics! In 2018 the DNC voted to allow no super-delegate votes on the first ballot. https://ballotpedia.org/Superdelegates_and_the_2020_Democratic_National_Convention Advocates for reducing superdelegate influence Tom Perez, DNC chairman: "Today is a historic day for our party. We passed major reforms that will not only put our next presidential nominee in the strongest position possible, but will help us elect Democrats up and down the ballot, across the country. These reforms will help grow our party, unite Democrats, and restore voters' trust by making our 2020 nominating process the most inclusive and transparent in our history."[9] Michael Blake, vice chair of the DNC: "This is not disenfranchisement at all. The person that has their vote taken away and has been purged—that's the person we need to be fighting for. Voters want us to be listening to them, and this is a way to show that we are listening—to show that we are understanding the changes that had to be made after 2016."[10] Jeff Cohen, RootsAction co-founder: "It’s a big victory for the base of the party. Tom Perez realizes that he’d rather lose 10 dead-enders in the DNC than a couple million activists."[11] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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