The inevitable end result of our last 56 years

[Cliff Varnell]

3 minutes ago, Robert Card said:

well good, maybe we'll hear 'I can't breathe' from you in the future, after all, you're an expert on 'Partying'.  

I tried opioids 3 times back in ‘86-‘87. Hated it.

So you think people who party deserve to die?

You’re either a Puritan nut job or a major hypocrite.

[Cliff Varnell]

2 minutes ago, Robert Card said:

ALL internet trolls are psychopaths, look it up, as you need a lesson there, too.   I'm not a psychopath.

Sociopath. That better?

2 minutes ago, Robert Card said:

I"ve presented all kinds of evidence which you cowardly ignored,

I stipulated to the autopsy report.

You’re attacking the character of a man you didn’t know and you call me a coward?

2 minutes ago, Robert Card said:

 

except for declaring you're some kind of burnt out druggie.

I declared no such thing. I cited my knowledge on the subject of drugs. My partying days are long behind me.

2 minutes ago, Robert Card said:

Who's t-r-0-l-l-?

You, bey-otch.

[Cliff Varnell]

4 minutes ago, Robert Wheeler said:

The statue of the feared Confederate General Christopher Columbus has been torn off its Pedestal in Richmond and thrown into the fountain.

https://www.americanheritage.com/columbus-and-genocide

[Kirk Gallaway]

2 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

BTW, Caitlin J revealed at Consortium that Tom Cotton did not ask the NYT to publish that column of his endorsing the Pentagon into all major cities.

They asked him to pen it.

They then put the incendiary title on it.

This is now the MSM builds this false equivalency and this left/right meme.  When in fact, in small towns in Virginia and N. Carolina they are demonstrating for Mr Floyd. Its this kind of false equivalency that people like Ken Burns endorse and that helped prolong the Vietnam War, and helped promote the Lost Cause mythology.  

Oh you're so incensed about this Jim? At this time? Get a life! Or preserve the one you got and take your meds. Maybe you'd like to establish a Tom Cotton reputation defense fund? Is anybody really paying much attention to this, except maybe soon Sean Hannity and Tucker?

You and Ollie should start your  own U.S. political party, it's not too late. Call it "The U.S. justice for Ukraine Antifa Party".You warned us about a Fascist movement there that turned out so repressive, they drove a comedian to their Presidency! That was another one one your groundswells. Stop messing with your vital signs!

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 It looks like Wheeler's nutcase heroes in the "Conservative Treehouse" site now got their 15 minutes of infamy! They were the source of the allegation that Gugino is Antifa, and it has caused Trump to tweet it!  If  that isn't the blind leading the blind?

Edited June 10, 2020 by Kirk Gallaway

[James DiEugenio]

If you read the first chapter of Zinn's A People's History of the US, you will understand the rationale behind this and that is what the crowd was saying.

I don't agree with it.  But that was the reason given.

The minority in this country that really gets no respect, attention, or even any acknowledgement they were wiped out are the American Indians. The Armenians, the Jews of Eastern Europe, Cambodia. Yet, the American Indian genocide is one that no one talks about.  Columbus was the first to enslave them and slaughter them in order to get money for more voyages.  That story is mythologized in textbooks as much as Ken Burns' the Lost Cause.

Being anti PC does not mean concealing history.  Someone from south of the border should know this.

Edited June 10, 2020 by James DiEugenio

[Kirk Gallaway]

The plot thickens. i want to be fair to our contingent here who are  down on what they see as anti  Russian Propaganda, but Trump has said after eschewing Fox News that his favorite news source is now OANN. It turns out OANN's  Kristian Rouz, lifted the "Conservative Tree House" story tying Gugino with Antifa. 

Rouz is an "OANN correspondent who has worked for the Russian state media outlet Sputnik and previously accused Hillary Clinton of astroturfing antifa operations, read parts of the original post on the air, saying that the incident was a “false-flag provocation” by antifa that involved a scheme to “black out police communications.”

I'll grant it's not a great source, but the MSM is talking of Rouz's ties to Sputnik, though in stride.We've come to learn to accept it.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/06/donald-trump-buffalo-protester-antifa-terrorist-conspiracy

Edited June 10, 2020 by Kirk Gallaway

[Robert Card]

8 hours ago, Robert Wheeler said:

I’m more interested in why they needed so many cops for a fake $20. Couldn’t Floyd have had it passed to him, innocently. 
 

How long did Floyd and Chauvinism know each other from the Club?

Did Mike Strzok fly Chauvins wife’s family out of Laos?

Why was Chauvins cousin murdered at the age of 19?

If drug money is being laundered through a club, does a 3 month shutdown cause bigger problems for the cops on the payroll?

So many questions will never be answered with the death of Mr. Floyd.

 

The question is more of why would the Police respond at all for a $20 loss.   Most departments have a cutoff of various amounts, like $250 before they respond.

So I don't know what a newspaper is, and I have no acknowledgement of the talking heads on TV, so where do I get my info?   It's from a network of investigators around the world that have no NWO agenda like the NY Times or Wash Post, just truth from locals who know what's going on in their neighborhoods.  It started with JFK back in the 1960's.  We'd meet after a speaker, say, at the 92nd St Y in Manhattan.

So what are the locals saying about Floyd, and Cheuvin who worked together at the El Nuevo Rodeo Club?  Cheuvin worked there for 17 years.   This club was used for trafficking of women and children from Mexico.   The club also was used for laundering counterfeit money as well as drug sales.   Floyd had been stealing too much of the counterfeit money, and was flashing it around.

Cheuvin  was brought in to do a hit on Floyd as he knew too much, and the fantastic corruption of the City of Minneapolis was about to be exposed.   It's obvious that this was a planned murder, no cop in the country would illegally abuse a prisoner in handcuffs like that for 9 minutes.   It happens of course, but Cheuvin was on a training mission.   The other two cops that you don't see in the video were very new, one being on the force for 3 days, and the other on the force for 4 days, so no way would you teach newbies to choke someone to death on their first week on the job.  The club and the local PD has been destroyed in the riots, .....destroy the evidence of the counterfeiting?

Big clue is that when the EMT came up, two Minn State Troopers got out and picked up Floyd's body and put him in the ambulance.   Why two State Troopers operating an ambulance?  According to EMT officers, they violated all medical principles by not taking a pulse and doing CPR right there on the street.   There's too much wrong here.

Before you start jumping all over me, the Floyd family is on my side, and feels that this murder was intentional and was based on something personal from the Club. Floyd and Cheuvin knew each other very well, and according to co-workers, did not get along with one another.  Cheuvin should be charged with murder in the first degree, but I doubt that will happen.   I think he's going to pull an Epstein, and commit a false suicide.

There's much, much more raw intel coming in right now, and it's hard to process all of it, so it may take a year for me to figure all of this out.  

The Club, and in fact, the whole block facing the street was destroyed in the riots.  Odd for a riot to occur here, far from the city center, and just two blocks from where Jesse Ventura grew up.

Before, the Club has the yellow sign on the right.

 

After, the club would be on the right:

https://ibb.co/pysRZxN

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Cliff Varnell]

5 minutes ago, Robert Card said:

There's much, much more raw intel coming in right now, and it's hard to process all of it, so it may take a year for me to figure all of this out.

Wouldn’t it be wise to stfu until you can “figure all this out”?

[Robert Card]

8 hours ago, Cliff Varnell said:

Sociopath. That better?

I stipulated to the autopsy report.

You’re attacking the character of a man you didn’t know and you call me a coward?

I declared no such thing. I cited my knowledge on the subject of drugs. My partying days are long behind me.

You, bey-otch.

You've now reached the level of worthlessness of George Floyd.  I think the mods must have you on ignore, which is where you're going to be with me from here on out.  One thing I forgot, Floyd was also a porn star, but his movies have been taken down from Pornhub.   A friend says he has them, but there are pictures available.  Are you, and Ms Beckett aware of the brutality of how women are treated in the porn industry?  

Let's see, you've called me a scumbag, a psychopath, a sociopath, and a bey-otch.   You have more replies coming in now that I've not read.

Bye!!

[Cliff Varnell]

6 minutes ago, Robert Card said:

You've now reached the level of worthlessness of George Floyd.  I think the mods must have you on ignore, which is where you're going to be with me from here on out.  One thing I forgot, Floyd was also a porn star, but his movies have been taken down from Pornhub.   A friend says he has them, but there are pictures available.  Are you, and Ms Beckett aware of the brutality of how women are treated in the porn industry?  

Let's see, you've called me a scumbag, a psychopath, a sociopath, and a bey-otch.   You have more replies coming in now that I've not read.

Bye!!

Never called you a psychopath.

The rest applies, sure.

[James R Gordon]

To all,

Robert Card is an active subject for the admin. I have just now stopped him posting. Whether further measures are taken against him will be made clear later.

As members of the admin team we felt our action in closing a previous thread would have given him food for thought.

Clearly not. As a member of the admin team I apologize that fellow members have had to read his thoughts.

James.

[Douglas Caddy]

Court-Appointed Amicus Says Michael Flynn Committed ‘Perjury’ and ‘Deserves Punishment’

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/john-gleeson-says-michael-flynn-committed-perjury/?fbclid=IwAR2G7XY1l8HunTT7b-Rkj9PwEQUvzfZRrRwMN9yroU_W4SxmFa_lmt1sqnA

[W. Niederhut]

4 hours ago, Robert Wheeler said:

It seems to me that the "celebration" of Christopher Columbus (the setting aside of a holiday) was mostly just a political effort to pander to the NY area's large Italian American Population.

The Irish have their St. Patrick's Day, "if we give them Eye-talians a paid holiday, they'll vote for us too!"

I'm half Italian and that side of the family still lives in Brooklyn. Other than maybe having the day off, no was celebrating Italian pride in the name of Chris Columbus.

Whatever CC is supposed to be guilty of according to the PC crowd, he is such a distant historical figure, and the actual history has become clouded, he is more of an apocryphal figure used in grammar schools to teach history than a genocidal maniac worth starting a statue toppling movement over. 

If it wasn't Chris Columbus that discovered America (and it probably wasn't), someone was bound to make the discovery around that time, and whoever it was (Portuguese, Spanish, Dutch, English) were going to get the genocide ball rolling. Toppling a Columbus statue makes the genocide of Native Americans look like it was a character flaw of one man (CC), rather than the collective philosophy of how natives of the day would be treated (kill, enslave, convert.)

I don't think toppling confederate statues is such a great idea either, 100 years from now, no kid is going to be to point to a statue of Robert E. Lee in a park and ask a parent a question. Nevertheless, unlike CC, the Robert E. Lee statue was something to "rally" around. Democrats have invoked Robert E. Lee (or similar guys) to form Klans and harass black people. 

I doubt the same has ever happened in the name of CC. I would be surprised if Federal Troops and Covered Wagons heading west in the 19th century killed a lot of Indians in the name of Christopher Columbus.

This is where the PC crowd loses normal people. Maybe there is an argument for Confederate statues being knocked down because they are representative of actual slave holders, and because they still held antiquated ideas (by the time of the Civil War) about the innateness of human rights. CC's ideas are antiquated in retrospect, but they were contemporary for the time.

The PC crowd is just going to continue to try to erase history. They will run out of Confederate Statues and the CC statues and push for the removal of the founding fathers statues,  and other historical figures that do not conform to their modern ideal of what is currently politically correct.

 

Rob,

     My Italian American first cousin and her husband here in Denver hosted the Knights of Columbus for years-- the guys who sponsored our former Denver Columbus Day parades.

     Her father, a WWII vet and Denver cop, was my mother's brother.  (My grandparents emigrated to Colorado from Slovenia (Austria-Hungary) before WWI.)

     That said, I agree with Denver's fairly recent decision to change Columbus Day to "Indigenous People's Day."

     It's a very belated acknowledgement of the European genocide of Native Americans-- something that was as terrible here in the Colorado Indian Territory as in the rest of the Western hemisphere.   Howard Zinn (and a few early Spanish historians of the New World) described it accurately-- and it was written out of our triumphal mythology for centuries.

     The city of Denver stands on the site of a former large Arapahoe Nation settlement-- aptly described by the "Boston Brahman" historian Francis Parkman in his famous 1840s travelogue, The Oregon Trail.   Sadly, the Arapahoe, Cheyenne, Crow, and Kiowa people indigenous to this area are largely extinct now.  I encountered very few local Native Americans during my 35 year psychiatric career in Denver.  (In contrast to the surviving Sioux people in the Dakotas.)

     As for the Confederate monuments, from what I've read, most were erected during the Jim Crow years of the early 20th century, after the 1915 premier of the movie, Birth of a Nation.  That white supremacist mythology film was hailed by President Woodrow Wilson, himself, and led directly to a nationwide reincarnation of the KKK-- even in places like Colorado.  The damage done to American society by Birth of a Nation has been incalculable.

[W. Niederhut]

11 hours ago, Robert Wheeler said:

It seems to me that the "celebration" of Christopher Columbus (the setting aside of a holiday) was mostly just a political effort to pander to the NY area's large Italian American Population.

The Irish have their St. Patrick's Day, "if we give them Eye-talians a paid holiday, they'll vote for us too!"

I'm half Italian and that side of the family still lives in Brooklyn. Other than maybe having the day off, no was celebrating Italian pride in the name of Chris Columbus.

Whatever CC is supposed to be guilty of according to the PC crowd, he is such a distant historical figure, and the actual history has become clouded, he is more of an apocryphal figure used in grammar schools to teach history than a genocidal maniac worth starting a statue toppling movement over. 

If it wasn't Chris Columbus that discovered America (and it probably wasn't), someone was bound to make the discovery around that time, and whoever it was (Portuguese, Spanish, Dutch, English) were going to get the genocide ball rolling. Toppling a Columbus statue makes the genocide of Native Americans look like it was a character flaw of one man (CC), rather than the collective philosophy of how natives of the day would be treated (kill, enslave, convert.)

I don't think toppling confederate statues is such a great idea either, 100 years from now, no kid is going to be to point to a statue of Robert E. Lee in a park and ask a parent a question. Nevertheless, unlike CC, the Robert E. Lee statue was something to "rally" around. Democrats have invoked Robert E. Lee (or similar guys) to form Klans and harass black people. 

I doubt the same has ever happened in the name of CC. I would be surprised if Federal Troops and Covered Wagons heading west in the 19th century killed a lot of Indians in the name of Christopher Columbus.

This is where the PC crowd loses normal people. Maybe there is an argument for Confederate statues being knocked down because they are representative of actual slave holders, and because they still held antiquated ideas (by the time of the Civil War) about the innateness of human rights. CC's ideas are antiquated in retrospect, but they were contemporary for the time.

The PC crowd is just going to continue to try to erase history. They will run out of Confederate Statues and the CC statues and push for the removal of the founding fathers statues,  and other historical figures that do not conform to their modern ideal of what is currently politically correct.

 

Rob,

    I disagree with your attribution of Spanish Conquistador violence and genocide to the Roman Catholic Church per se.  On the contrary, if you study the primary source material, those who endeavored to stop the genocide were Catholic priests and friars-- e.g., Bartolome de las Casas, Diego de Landa, et.al.  Compare the 16th century writings of De Las Casas and De Landa with primary source narratives like Bernal Diaz (The Conquest of New Spain) or Cabezade Vaca's account of Panfilo de Narvaez's bloodthirsty explorations of Florida.

   The genocidal Spanish Conquistadors, like Columbus (Cortez, Poce de Leon, Narvaez, Pizzarro, et.al.) came to the New World in search of gold and self-aggrandizement, not the salvation of souls.

    As for "erasing history," what we're really talking about is erasing mythology-- replacing mythology with the true, untold history.

 

Edited June 11, 2020 by W. Niederhut

[Cliff Varnell]

8 hours ago, Robert Wheeler said:

the PC crowd

 Next week in Tulsa a crowd of people will find it “politically correct” to eschew wearing masks or social-distance when they attend Trump’s proto-Nazi rally.

QAnon, the KKK, the Boogaloo Bois all practice forms of ideological correctness.

Virtue signaling snowflakes? No one beats you guys.