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10 hours ago, W. Niederhut said:

       My impression is that these cowardly Senate Republicans are afraid of; 1) Trump cult terrorists, and 2) Donald Trump supporting primary opponents against them in the future -- i.e., "primary-ing" them, (as Eric Trump phrased it on the eve of January 6th.) They are using the argument that impeachment now is unconstitutional as a convenient pretext for dodging the wrath of Donald Trump and his cult.

      My question.   Regardless of the Senate vote on impeachment, shouldn't Trump be tried in court for inciting sedition on January 6th?

They're going to need him to endorse a presidential candidate in 2024: kiss and make up with "stalwart defender of the Constitution" Mike Pence?

Anything can happen in four years, and they'll need him to herd up the deplorables for some candidate's benefit.  He'll make some veiled form of apology, and we'll all look on him fondly then, like he learned to make clay snakes in school finally, at age 24.

They'll rehabilitate him more successfully and publicly than anyone could Nixon, because the Trump base is the deciding element that this iteration of the GOP - its power centered in Kentucky - has aligned itself with.  One suspects that, because of Trumpism, the corporate backing of the GOP is now formed of companies at the political-intellectual level of the celebrities that Trump was able to attract.

 

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This thread has hit Page no. 400 !!! 

I wonder if this is a forum record. This will forever be a time capsule on this period preceding the 2020 election!

I checked and only 20 pages ago, did we double what I believe was the previous record at least since I've been here, and that is the "Mark Zaid" thread initially started by Jim as a commentary about his suspicions of an overly zealous impeachment prosecution of President Trump, citing Zaid's skepticism about re opening  an investigation into I believe the RFK assassination. But Jim later had comments that he had perhaps joined our forces against Trump. So, so much for that. Anyway,  Congratulations to all who have posted! 

As to the fact no award can be can be completely unblemished, Unfortunately, even after 2 months of Wheeler's absence, it was only until recently that Steve Thomas had become the contributor with the most posts. Yes a sizable amount of our content was Wheeler's zombie spamming. But there were a lot of quality posts as well.

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I don't know what Mitch Mac Connell's plan was to finger Trump for the Capitol Insurrection, and then just back down today. I suppose he just wanted to be the 67th vote. You'd think he'd have some incentive after his losing his post, but I'm sure as always, he's calculated in his cynical transparency, that for this second in time, it is the most prudent thing he can do  to regain his role as majority leader in 2022, as there's nothing else in life that matters to him.

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Now I'm just going to indulge.

Yes I'm sure Gary Gaetz is a foremost proponent of the School Lunch Programs.

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Hyeahh, and Ted Cruz , supposedly this foremost proponent of "free market innovation". Yeah right!

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7 hours ago, Kirk Gallaway said:

This thread has hit Page no. 400 !!! 

Guess what else is going to hang on till 2024:

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jan/27/most-poor-nations-will-take-until-2024-to-achieve-mass-covid-19-immunisation

Ever notice how all immigrants to America come from sh*thole countries, someone said.

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16 hours ago, Douglas Caddy said:

Always fun to see and hear the latest Wag-The-Dog/Fox News type Trump/insurrection alternate reality downplaying psyop sound bite game.

Let us call and color the huge number armed and physical harm threat shouting mob attack on our second most important and sacred Democracy symbolic landmark Capital Building which resulted in actual deaths and the major traumatising of hundreds of cowering, life fearing congress members and our very own VP who were inside not  

"the most egregious and seriously impacting act of violent sedition and insurrection in our post civil war history and which has truly shaken our entire national democratic institution trusting psyche"

but instead simply... a "breach"

A breach?

Ah, that doesn't sound too bad.

Kind of like screaming pre-teen girls breaking through the fan barrier rope at a Beatles, Elvis or Michael Jackson appearance?  Or a break in the manic pushing customer line at a Black Friday shopping event or a midnight offering of the newest hottest high tech personal use items? Or whackily over-excited sports fans jumping down onto the field to try to high-five some superstar athlete that has just broken an all time record?

No.

This was far more than a wag-the-dog, Fox News, right wing radio propaganda machine one word downplaying term of "breach."

This was a major armed violent attack not just on our second most sacred democracy symbolizing landmark but hundreds of our own cowering and life fearing Congress and Senate members trapped inside as well.

Gun fire, tear gas, bear spray, tazers, zip ties, gas masks, clubbings, fence trampling and window and other smashings, theft, confederate flag waving, war paint ... all amidst angry violent threat shouting and proclamations of ... " we're doing what our president wants us to do!" 

"Hang Pence!" ...  "Kill Pelosi!" ... "Stop The Steal!"

Security men aiming their drawn pistols and shouting frantically to our representatives...GET DOWN... GET DOWN !!!

The huge Capital Building armed lynch mob attack and seige was much more than a simple "breach."

It was the most violent, dangerous and impacting act of insurrection against our highest level of Federal government and institution of constitutional Democracy since the Civil War. In reality, an actual attempted coup.

Sorry Nikki Haley...you don't just "move on" and forget this mind blowing serious and nation shaking act of sedition attack event just three weeks after it's Trump inspired occurrence.

Especially after your fellow Republicans spent two years and tens of millions of dollars and the most outraged anger shouted hearings trying to turn the Benghazi attack into the greatest and most harmful leadership fail in American history.

Next thing you know the Trump propaganda people will be framing the seige as simply a well meaning celebratory party ( like Donald Trump Jr.'s music and dance tent party at the same time ) that just got out of hand with a handful of overzealous characters simply acting out.

You know, like overly aggressive young men at drinking parties? Innocent minded Brett Kavanaugh types?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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The following video piece is a spot on Trump presidency and post presidency reality check. 

Trump...is the swamp.

4 hours ago — During the 2016 campaign, Donald Trump pledged to voters that he would “drain the swamp” in Washington, D.C. but while he was in the White House ...

 

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National Terrorism Advisory System

www.dhs.gov/advisories

Bulletin 01/27/2021

Summary

The Acting Secretary of Homeland Security has issued a National Terrorism Advisory System (NTAS) Bulletin due to a heightened threat environment across the United States, which DHS believes will persist in the weeks following the successful Presidential Inauguration. Information suggests that some ideologically-motivated violent extremists with objections to the exercise of governmental authority and the presidential transition as well as other perceived grievances fueled by false narratives, could continue to mobilize to incite or commit violence.

Details

  • Throughout 2020, Domestic Violent Extremists (DVEs) targeted individuals with opposing views engaged in First Amendment-protected, non-violent protest activity. DVEs motivated by a range of issues, including anger over COVID-19 restrictions, the 2020 election results, and police use of force have plotted and on occasion carried out attacks against government facilities.

  • Long-standing racial and ethnic tension—including opposition to immigrationhas driven DVE attacks, including a 2019 shooting in El Paso, Texas that killed 23 people.

  • DHS is concerned these same drivers to violence will remain through early 2021 and some DVEs may be emboldened by the January 6, 2021 breach of the U.S. Capitol Building in Washington, D.C. to target elected officials and government facilities

  • DHS remains concerned that Homegrown Violent Extremists (HVEs)inspired by foreign terrorist groups, who committed three attacks targeting government officials in 2020, remain a threat.

  • Threats of violence against critical infrastructure, including the electric, telecommunications and healthcare sectors, increased in 2020 with violent extremists citing misinformation and conspiracy theories about COVID-19 for their actions.

  • DHS, as well as other Federal agencies and law enforcement partners will continue to take precautions to protect people and infrastructure across the United States.

  • DHS remains committed to preventing violence and threats meant to intimidate or coerce specific populations on the basis of their religion, race, ethnicity, identity or political views.

  • DHS encourages state, local, tribal, and territorial homeland security partners to continue prioritizing physical security measures, particularly around government facilities, to protect people and critical infrastructure.

 

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12 hours ago, David Andrews said:

They're going to need him to endorse a presidential candidate in 2024: kiss and make up with "stalwart defender of the Constitution" Mike Pence?

Anything can happen in four years, and they'll need him to herd up the deplorables for some candidate's benefit.  He'll make some veiled form of apology, and we'll all look on him fondly then, like he learned to make clay snakes in school finally, at age 24.

They'll rehabilitate him more successfully and publicly than anyone could Nixon, because the Trump base is the deciding element that this iteration of the GOP - its power centered in Kentucky - has aligned itself with.  One suspects that, because of Trumpism, the corporate backing of the GOP is now formed of companies at the political-intellectual level of the celebrities that Trump was able to attract.

 

David,

      I think Joseph McBride's recent reference to Hitler's political movement after the failed Munich "Beer Hall" Putsch is apt.   What is happening right now in America reminds me of the end of Season One of the Babylon Berlin series, (circa 1928) when the liberal Chief of Police in Berlin is assassinated by the N-a-z-i Party.

     Trump's radical right wing followers are, most likely, here to stay.

'American democracy's most dangerous enemy': Author says appetite for 'fascism' rages on in post-Trump GOP - Raw Story - Celebrating 16 Years of Independent Journalism

      

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8 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:

Douglas,

Is that why he was "arrested" just before the mob action on the 6th?

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Excerpt from the print edition of today's NY Times, which presents a muddled picture of the guy:

The F.B.I. has acknowledged it is conducting a similarly serious inquiry into the Oath Keepers, a group largely composed of law enforcement and military personnel, and the Three Percenters, which emerged from the extremist wing of the gun rights movement. Several members of both organizations have already been charged in connection with the Capitol attack, including three defendants who stand accused of the most severe conspiracy allegations leveled so far.

 

Investigators involved in the Capitol attack have also focused their attention on the chairman of the Proud Boys, Enrique Tarrio. Mr. Tarrio, who lives in Miami, was scheduled to attend the march in Washington but was thrown out of the city by a judge the day before it happened. When he was arrested on Jan. 4 in connection with the burning of a Black Lives Matter banner that had been torn from a historic Black church during a different round of violent protests last month, police officers found he was carrying two high-capacity rifle magazines emblazoned with the Proud Boys’ chicken logo.

Prosecutors have noted in documents attached to Mr. Biggs’s case that Mr. Tarrio first began encouraging the Proud Boys to go to Washington for the “Stop the Steal” march in late December, when he posted a message on the social media app Parler announcing that members of the group would “turn out in record numbers.”

In the run-up to the rally, Mr. Tarrio also used Parler to urge his members to avoid wearing their traditional black-and-yellow polo shirts but instead to go “incognito” and move about the city in “smaller teams,” prosecutors say.

In an interview with The New York Times one week after the siege, Mr. Tarrio, who took over the Proud Boys from its founder Gavin McInnes, said that the attack on the Capitol was misguided and that anyone who broke windows or took part in the nearly 140 assaults on police officers should be prosecuted.

 

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6 hours ago, W. Niederhut said:

David,

      I think Joseph McBride's recent reference to Hitler's political movement after the failed Munich "Beer Hall" Putsch is apt.   What is happening right now in America reminds me of the end of Season One of the Babylon Berlin series, (circa 1928) when the liberal Chief of Police in Berlin is assassinated by the N-a-z-i Party.

     Trump's radical right wing followers are, most likely, here to stay.

'American democracy's most dangerous enemy': Author says appetite for 'fascism' rages on in post-Trump GOP - Raw Story - Celebrating 16 Years of Independent Journalism

      

I wish Babylon Berlin had ended as well as it began. 
Considering how much noise was coming out of QAnon and groups like the Proud Boys the actual event was a flop, and would have gone no where without the obvious draw down of defenses. 

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8 hours ago, W. Niederhut said:

     Trump's radical right wing followers are, most likely, here to stay.

And that's why there won't be a complete legal action, because the GOP needs Trump to tell his base how to vote (hopefully for another candidate).

If Congress bars him from running again, they risk a Trump-endorsed third party.  If they impeach and convict without barring, they risk a Trump-led third party.  Either would split the GOP vote.  So he's going to skate, and be convinced to endorse the GOP without running again.  Can't "kill" him, can't live without him.  Rand Paul needs him too bad: it's him who resurrected McConnell's failing career, and he runs McConnell.

Rand Paul-Tom Cotton ticket in 2024, endorsed by Trump?  The "New Young Right"?

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