Ron Ecker Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 59 minutes ago, Steve Thomas said: Also, what was discussed the the meeting in Trumps private residence at the Trump Hotel on the night of January 5, 2021? Steve Thomas Must have been the same thing that was discussed at the famous meeting at Clint Murchison's the night before the JFK assassination. A coup d'etat! Of course, some people claim there was no such meeting. Such people are no fun at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W. Niederhut Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 77 Days: Trump’s Campaign to Subvert the Election Hours after the United States voted, the president declared the election a fraud — a lie that unleashed a movement that would shatter democratic norms and upend the peaceful transfer of power. 77 Days: Trump’s Campaign to Subvert the Election - The New York Times (nytimes.com) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Bulman Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 3 hours ago, W. Niederhut said: 77 Days: Trump’s Campaign to Subvert the Election Hours after the United States voted, the president declared the election a fraud — a lie that unleashed a movement that would shatter democratic norms and upend the peaceful transfer of power. 77 Days: Trump’s Campaign to Subvert the Election - The New York Times (nytimes.com) Maybe we've dodged the bullet for the time being. Orwell's been wrong for 36 years and counting about 1984, and I pray, for the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Andrews Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 (edited) Well, we're still a model for other nations: https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/31/world/myanmar-aung-san-suu-kyi-detained-intl/index.html "Myanmar's powerful military has taken control of the country in an apparent coup, following the arrests of Aung San Suu Kyi and other senior government leaders in early morning raids Monday. "In an address on military-owned television Myawaddy TV, Myanmar's military said that it had detained key political leaders in response to what it termed 'election fraud' and had declared a state of emergency, Reuters reported. "Myanmar's election commission on Thursday rejected claims of voter fraud, saying any errors -- such as duplicated names on voter lists -- were not enough to impact the result of the vote." Edited February 1, 2021 by David Andrews Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Thomas Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 The Texas High School Recruiting Its Mexican American Teens to Be Border Patrol Agents ‘At the Ready’ A good salary and playing with guns? Sundance doc “At the Ready” shows how Mexican American students in a border town are being recruited into immigration law enforcement. By Kevin Fallon Feb. 01, 2021 https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-texas-high-school-recruiting-its-mexican-american-teens-to-be-border-patrol-agents?ref=home “Watching them train in their tactical gear is surreal. It’s jarring to see these children—and they are just children—sprinting through the hallways with fake guns and riot helmets. Some of their frames are so youthful and slight that the bulletproof vests barely have shoulders to cling onto.” “Like in so many different areas of the immigration debate, you’re left with an upsetting aftertaste: They’re just kids. Kids who are pretending to disarm and incapacitate an active shooter in a hostage situation. But kids nonetheless.” Steve Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Thomas Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 What Ulysses Grant Can Teach Joe Biden About Putting Down Violent Insurrections By CASEY MICHEL 01/30/2021 https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/01/30/what-ulysses-grant-can-teach-joe-biden-about-putting-down-violent-insurrections-463976 “The deadly siege of the Capitol in Washington, which sought to overturn a legitimate election by targeting lawmakers with assassination, was not the first attempted insurrection in American history.” “Grant’s approach relied on a combination of brute military force and a drastic curtailment of civil liberties, yet it nevertheless has relevance for the current moment and contains lessons for lawmakers who fear that January 6 might have been only the first of widespread attacks on the government and elected officials at all levels, across large swaths of the nation.” Steve Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bauer Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Jared Kushner nominated for Nobel Peace Prize. Huh? What? Come again? Your thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Prutsok Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 2 hours ago, Steve Thomas said: What Ulysses Grant Can Teach Joe Biden About Putting Down Violent Insurrections By CASEY MICHEL 01/30/2021 https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/01/30/what-ulysses-grant-can-teach-joe-biden-about-putting-down-violent-insurrections-463976 “The deadly siege of the Capitol in Washington, which sought to overturn a legitimate election by targeting lawmakers with assassination, was not the first attempted insurrection in American history.” “Grant’s approach relied on a combination of brute military force and a drastic curtailment of civil liberties, yet it nevertheless has relevance for the current moment and contains lessons for lawmakers who fear that January 6 might have been only the first of widespread attacks on the government and elected officials at all levels, across large swaths of the nation.” Steve Thomas I know it's harsh, but revolution and insurrection are rough games and if you are going to play them you need to be prepared to do what is necessary and to accept the consequences. The only way to effectively deal with such situations is for the winning side to publicly try and execute every leader on the losing side and their financiers, seizing their assets and exiling or imprisoning their families. If you don't, they and their descendants will cause trouble in perpetuity. Lincoln's failed response to the end of the Civil War is the prime example of it. These were the people storming the Capitol Jan. 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douglas Caddy Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Rumsfeld Lacked Intel on Who The Enemies Were Two Years After Afghanistan Invasion On September 9, 2003, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld wrote to Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence Steve Cambone expressing concern about information from interrogations at military sites in Iraq and Afghanistan. The Secretary wrote, “The lack of clarity as to who the enemies are, and what the problems are from an intelligence standpoint in Afghanistan and Iraq is serious.” Six weeks later, on October 23, 2003, Rumsfeld followed up: “I have no visibility into what kind of intelligence we are getting from the interrogations of the 35 or 40 of the top 55 Iraqis we have captured. Please get me some information.” https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/foia/2021-02-01/rumsfeld-lacked-intel-who-enemies-two-years-after-afghanistan-invasion-newly-published-snowflakes?eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=63d51ed5-9a5d-49f4-975f-871d45c4ced6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Andrews Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 7 minutes ago, Douglas Caddy said: Rumsfeld Lacked Intel on Who The Enemies Were Two Years After Afghanistan Invasion On September 9, 2003, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld wrote to Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence Steve Cambone expressing concern about information from interrogations at military sites in Iraq and Afghanistan. The Secretary wrote, “The lack of clarity as to who the enemies are, and what the problems are from an intelligence standpoint in Afghanistan and Iraq is serious.” Six weeks later, on October 23, 2003, Rumsfeld followed up: “I have no visibility into what kind of intelligence we are getting from the interrogations of the 35 or 40 of the top 55 Iraqis we have captured. Please get me some information.” https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/foia/2021-02-01/rumsfeld-lacked-intel-who-enemies-two-years-after-afghanistan-invasion-newly-published-snowflakes?eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=63d51ed5-9a5d-49f4-975f-871d45c4ced6 What CIA was doing in Afghanistan and Iraq was rolling up and criminalizing its own former assets, plus any loose cannons who joined "Al Qaeda" or other groups in the wake of 9/11. They didn't care to clean house in front of Rumsfeld or other oversight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W. Niederhut Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 2 hours ago, David Andrews said: What CIA was doing in Afghanistan and Iraq was rolling up and criminalizing its own former assets, plus any loose cannons who joined "Al Qaeda" or other groups in the wake of 9/11. They didn't care to clean house in front of Rumsfeld or other oversight. David, In Iraq, Rumsfeld was following the Wolfowitz/PNAC plan from the late 1990s. (And Rumsfeld, Cheney, and Condoleeza Rice participated in PNAC prior to George W. Bush's election in 2000.) Wolfowitz and his PNAC associates theorized that the U.S. military could depose Saddam Hussein easily and inexpensively. Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz also insisted on implementing their de-Baathification plan for Iraq-- firing General Jay Garner in May of 2003 and appointing Kissinger Associates' L. Paul Bremer as a military governor of Iraq. At the time, Garner told Rumsfeld that, "It will take 50 years to stabilize this country, if you disband (de-Baathify) the Iraqi Army." Garner was right. The Iraqi civil war ensued. (Was that the point all along?) In retrospect, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz's Iraq War plan seemed to be part of the broader PNAC plan to destabilize and Balkanize Israel's Muslim neighbor states-- Iraq and Syria, along with Libya, Egypt, Sudan, Lebanon, and, ultimately, Iran. (Doug Feith had also outlined a version of this plan-- a version of the original "Oded Yinon Plan"-- in a white paper that he wrote for the Netanyahu regime in the 90s.) General Wesley Clark was briefed about these Pentagon (Rumsfeld/Wolfowitz/Feith) war plans for the Middle East in late September of 2001-- shortly after the 9/11 attacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Andrews Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, W. Niederhut said: David, In Iraq, Rumsfeld was following the Wolfowitz/PNAC plan from the late 1990s. (And Rumsfeld, Cheney, and Condoleeza Rice participated in PNAC prior to George W. Bush's election in 2000.) Wolfowitz and his PNAC associates theorized that the U.S. military could depose Saddam Hussein easily and inexpensively. Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz also insisted on implementing their de-Baathification plan for Iraq-- firing General Jay Garner in May of 2003 and appointing Kissinger Associates' L. Paul Bremer as a military governor of Iraq. At the time, Garner told Rumsfeld that, "It will take 50 years to stabilize this country, if you disband (de-Baathify) the Iraqi Army." Garner was right. The Iraqi civil war ensued. (Was that the point all along?) In retrospect, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz's Iraq War plan seemed to be part of the broader PNAC plan to destabilize and Balkanize Israel's Muslim neighbor states-- Iraq and Syria, along with Libya, Egypt, Sudan, Lebanon, and, ultimately, Iran. (Doug Feith had also outlined a version of this plan-- a version of the original "Oded Yinon Plan"-- in a white paper that he wrote for the Netanyahu regime in the 90s.) General Wesley Clark was briefed about these Pentagon (Rumsfeld/Wolfowitz/Feith) war plans for the Middle East in late September of 2001-- shortly after the 9/11 attacks. William: I'm speaking to the reluctance of CIA in releasing data and metadata from the rendition interrogations. I understand that there was a war on, to DoD's own purposes, and the White House's. Edited February 2, 2021 by David Andrews Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douglas Caddy Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 U.S. under Trump was the big loser in the trade war with China. https://www.axios.com/trump-trade-war-china-failure-6111a412-9458-438e-ab2f-a4b7481f89e3.html?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_axiospm&stream=top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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James DiEugenio Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 5 hours ago, Joe Bauer said: Jared Kushner nominated for Nobel Peace Prize. Huh? What? Come again? Your thoughts? They were nominated by Dershowtiz. No mystery as to why. Worst choice since Obama, who won. On nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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