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If the Dems can’t tackle the filibuster and get rid of it then nothing good will come out of Congress. Fancy rhetoric is all they’ll have left. Gridlock will prevail. Maybe that’s actually the hidden consensus. Why won’t they get rid of the filibuster? It’s not even a real thing. Are there a few Demos that don’t want to because they are for ‘bipartisanship’? That’s a joke. Are there some who worry what might happen in the future if Repubs are in the majority? Well, a do nothing Congress is the best way to lose the majority. It’s all a bit hopeless don’t you think? 

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A Presidential Committee, A House Select Committee.  Haven't I heard that somewhere before?  Olbermann makes valid points, a legit objective special prosecutor and a bipartisan commission including objective republicans might work.  Though the filibuster should go right now imho.

Calls Mount for Biden to Form Presidential 1/6 Commission After GOP's 'Cowardly Filibuster' (msn.com)

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On 4/18/2021 at 8:40 PM, W. Niederhut said:

       So, Jeff, are you saying that the U.S. government had already officially accused Konstantin Kilimnik of "providing Russian Intelligence Services with sensitive information on polling and campaign strategy" in 2016, which Kilimnik had obtained from Trump campaign officials? *

       I must have missed that news item. 

       Nice of you to now acknowledge that there is nothing new here-- quite a switch from your previous position.

      The last time that you and I discussed this subject, I opined that the Trump campaign had, apparently, "colluded" with the Russian government through Manafort's contacts with Kilimnik.  If I recall correctly, you said at the time that Kilimnik was not really working for the GRU (a fact which was only formally acknowledged by the U.S. government in the long-delayed U.S. Senate Intel report last year.)

        As for your claim that Manafort's work for Yanukovych was not "pro Russian," I'm shaking my head.  🤥

*   https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy0126 

TREASURY TARGETS KNOWN RUSSIAN AGENT KONSTANTIN KILIMNIK

Konstantin Kilimnik (Kilimnik) is a Russian and Ukrainian political consultant and known Russian Intelligence Services agent implementing influence operations on their behalf. During the 2016 U.S. presidential election campaign, Kilimnik provided the Russian Intelligence Services with sensitive information on polling and campaign strategy. Additionally, Kilimnik sought to promote the narrative that Ukraine, not Russia, had interfered in the 2016 U.S. presidential election. 

 

Aaron Mate provides a more objective POV which supports my position. It was Mueller deputy Weissman who deliberately seeded the "polling data" conspiracy in January 2019. It was obvious at the time this was a ploy to encourage unsupported speculation.

https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2021/05/19/accused_russiagate_spy_kilimnik_speaks_-_and_evidence_backs_his_no_collusion_account_777328.html

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4 minutes ago, Jeff Carter said:

Aaron Mate provides a more objective POV which supports my position. It was Mueller deputy Weissman who deliberately seeded the "polling data" conspiracy in January 2019. It was obvious at the time this was a ploy to encourage unsupported speculation.

https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2021/05/19/accused_russiagate_spy_kilimnik_speaks_-_and_evidence_backs_his_no_collusion_account_777328.html

 

Jeff,

    Any thoughts about the big Manafort/Kilimnik news story of the past week in the mainstream U.S. media?

"The proverbial smoking gun": Maddow explains what newly unredacted Manafort files reveal | Salon.com

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2 hours ago, W. Niederhut said:

Any thoughts about the big Manafort/Kilimnik news story of the past week in the mainstream U.S. media?

"The proverbial smoking gun": Maddow explains what newly unredacted Manafort files reveal | Salon.com

There is no "smoking gun" and there never was.

From Mate's piece:

Kilimnik's account is corroborated by Gates, the ex-Manafort associate and Trump campaign official whose testimony was used by the Mueller team – deceptively, he says – to suggest a connection between the polling data and possible Trump-Russia collusion. The Special Counsel's office "relied heavily on Mr. Gates for evidence" about the polling data, the New York Times noted in February 2019.

According to Gates, that reliance entailed significant creative license by Mueller's prosecutors, particularly Weissmann. Gates says he told the Special Counsel's Office that the polling data was not sensitive information, but rather publicly available figures taken from media outlets.

"I explained to them, over the course of many interviews, what the polling data was about, and why it was being shared," Gates told RCI. "All that was exchanged was old, topline data from public polls and from some internal polls, but all dated, nothing in real time. So for example, Trump 48, Clinton 46. It was not massive binders full of demographics or deep research. No documents were ever shared or disclosed. And this is part of what Mueller left out of the report. They cherry-picked and built a narrative that really was not true, because they had pre-determined the conclusion."

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4 hours ago, Jeff Carter said:

There is no "smoking gun" and there never was.

From Mate's piece:

Kilimnik's account is corroborated by Gates, the ex-Manafort associate and Trump campaign official whose testimony was used by the Mueller team – deceptively, he says – to suggest a connection between the polling data and possible Trump-Russia collusion. The Special Counsel's office "relied heavily on Mr. Gates for evidence" about the polling data, the New York Times noted in February 2019.

According to Gates, that reliance entailed significant creative license by Mueller's prosecutors, particularly Weissmann. Gates says he told the Special Counsel's Office that the polling data was not sensitive information, but rather publicly available figures taken from media outlets.

"I explained to them, over the course of many interviews, what the polling data was about, and why it was being shared," Gates told RCI. "All that was exchanged was old, topline data from public polls and from some internal polls, but all dated, nothing in real time. So for example, Trump 48, Clinton 46. It was not massive binders full of demographics or deep research. No documents were ever shared or disclosed. And this is part of what Mueller left out of the report. They cherry-picked and built a narrative that really was not true, because they had pre-determined the conclusion."

Jeff,

    Any thoughts about why Paul Manafort continued to lie about his 2016 contacts with Kilimnik, even after agreeing to cooperate with Mueller's investigation?

    Nothing to see there?

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I think it is time for someone in our judicial system to have the courage to charge sedition or treason for actions such as this (link below).  This former US general has lost his way into Trumpism and QANON.

 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiEp8WU8fLwAhVBQ80KHVDLBn0QxfQBMAB6BAgCEAk&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.marketwatch.com%2Fstory%2Fex-trump-adviser-michael-flynn-says-myanmar-like-coup-should-happen-in-u-s-11622426143&usg=AOvVaw1Nlf88zQAy8S50GHbyA7AP

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https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1399707794375426051

 

Maggie Haberman

@maggieNYT

"Trump has been telling a number of people he’s in contact with that he expects he will get reinstated by August (no that isn’t how it works but simply sharing the information)."

 

I wonder what Trump knows, that we don't know yet.

Is there trouble coming down the pike this summer?

Steve Thomas

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32 minutes ago, Ron Bulman said:

This is kind of funny.  LHO who?

I know what you mean by "funny", but unfortunately it has been used by the MSM to again proclaim LHO as the "killer of the President" as opposed to "accused" of killing the President.  That alone, unfortunately makes it no longer funny to me and I am sure most of those on this forum.

 

On 5/30/2021 at 10:41 PM, Richard Price said:

I think it is time for someone in our judicial system to have the courage to charge sedition or treason for actions such as this (link below). 

Lt. Col. Yevgeny "Eugene" Vindman, an Army officer who was fired by the Trump White House, has said Trump's former national adviser Michael Flynn could face a court-martial over his remark that a Myanmar-like military coup "should happen" in the U.S.  Lt. Col. Vindman has shown that courage, patriotism and duty run in the blood line.  The question is, will he (or anyone) be allowed to follow through.

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22 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:

https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1399707794375426051

 

Maggie Haberman

@maggieNYT

"Trump has been telling a number of people he’s in contact with that he expects he will get reinstated by August (no that isn’t how it works but simply sharing the information)."

 

I wonder what Trump knows, that we don't know yet.

Is there trouble coming down the pike this summer?

Steve Thomas

The only thing that will protect Donald Trump from being indicted is the power of the Presidency.

He has to believe, or at least get his base to believe, is that he will be re-instated to the office in the near future.

I wonder if indictments are coming that soon. Michael Cohen believes so.

Steve Thomas

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1 hour ago, Steve Thomas said:

I wonder if indictments are coming that soon.

I, for my part, certainly hope so.  All these things related to Trump have been kicked down the road for way too long.  He is only emboldened by every reprieve.  People in positions to do something to bring about punishment for both him and his rabid followers need to see the deeply troubling underlying threat to the republic.  Specifically the punishment needs to be directed at him, he really does not care what happens to anyone else.  He will continue to throw people under the bus and await them to come out the other side to bow and kiss his ring (A**).  Until he is actually found guilty AND punished in a manner that is not a slap on the wrist, this country's government is at EXTREME risk.  The problem is and will be, he is so sleazy, corrupt and underhanded, the ability to CONVICT him may not exist.  In a criminal court you would need 12 unbiased and "unbuyable" and incorruptible jurors and I am sure that it would/will become a circus with all kinds of charges of political bias from Republicans, right wing media, etc.  Just as in the election, he will NOT accept a loss or conviction (and unfortunately neither will his 30% totally enthralled/mesmerized followers).  This I can promise because I live amongst them.

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The 139 Republicans Who Lied, Fueled An Insurrection And Then Voted To Cover It Up

Don’t forget the names of these GOP lawmakers who chose Donald Trump over American democracy. Twice.

By Jennifer Bendery

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/republicans-january-6-insurrection_n_60b134a7e4b0ead279685a40

It’s also no coincidence that of the 147 House and Senate Republicans who voted in January to overturn the election, 139 of them also just voted to stop an independent commission from investigating the insurrection. It’s all connected. They attacked democracy in January and capped it off last week with a second attack on democracy, all in plain sight and with the intention of preserving the lie.

Here are the names of all 139 Republicans in Congress who sided with Trump and his lie instead of protecting American democracy. Twice.:”

(Read article for list)

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'Trump was listening to [Gen. Michael] Flynn during that period, along with other crackpots in his circle who enabled his delusional belief that he could somehow overturn the election. Over the holiday weekend [2021], Flynn upped the ante and caused quite a stir when he attended a big QAnon event in Texas and responded to a questioner asking if there's any reason America can't have a military coup like Myanmar by saying, "No reason. I mean, it should happen here."'

https://www.salon.com/2021/06/02/trumps-generals-who-remain-why-theres-reason-to-fear-a-military-coup-in-the-us/

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1968: The Beatles go to India for the CIA, thinks KGB:

“I went back to Indian newspapers in 1968,” says Bose, “and discovered that communist and socialist Indian politicians were saying Rishikesh was a CIA camp. The KGB even sent their top man, Yuri Bezmenov, to Rishikesh to find out what was going on.” Bose’s discovery results in one of the finest moments of the film, a clip of Bezmenov talking happily in the late 1980s about “Mia Farrow and other useful idiots from Hollywood” returning to the US to spread a message of “sit down, look at your navel and do nothing”.

“The Maharishi was not on the payroll of the KGB,” says Bezmenov, laughing, “but whether he knows it or not, he contributed greatly to the demoralisation of American society.”

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/jun/03/the-beatles-in-india-with-their-long-hair-and-jokes-they-blew-our-minds

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