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55 minutes ago, Kirk Gallaway said:

There's a lot of stuff here. Let me just start with 2 areas that I've gathered from reading your posts that you've seemed most obsessed about. But now I see you and W. are talking about Sicknick,. So I'll start with that in in this post..

Benjamin: We have already been through the whole debunked Brian Sicknick story. 
This Brian Sicknick again. I know you have quite a sense of mission about this, Benjamin. I think the general reaction on this forum was to not to jump to conclusions about the riots other than a general disgust that these misdirected losers seized our capital and a greater astonishment that that was allowed to happen. I never saw one mention of Sicknick's death here until you mentioned it the next dozen times. I had no resistance to the fact that you were pointing it out that there were still unanswered questions.
I guess your overall message is that " pervasive and censored media', was trying to misinform us. I tend to think that's BS. It was probably another case of a profusion of information all at once, and different witness testimony and people jumping to conclusions to come out with a story , and like all such stories, it was eventually ferreted out and exposed. In the final analysis, isn't it going to be known if Sicknick was hit with a fire extinguisher or not?
 
Are you aware of the existence of the film where a protestor hurls a fire extinguisher at the standing cops heads, below, and actually hits 2 of them in the head? You can access it if you're so inclined.
There was confusion at first, and some thought Sicknick  was one of the cops. It's probably that simple, no media conspiracy. But while we're on the topic of media conspiracies, as you might know 6 people died! It was actually a few months after the riots that they determined that a woman was trampled  by the rioters. They literally killed their own! Was the fact that it took months to find that out really as a result of a Trump coverup media conspiracy? heh heh
 
In the final analysis, I don't know what your point is to keep driving home.  You're not actually asserting Sicknick died of natural causes, are you? What does it matter if Sicknick died directly from blunt force trauma or stress trauma as result of weathering the  riots? He still died defending his country and doing his job. How well do you think you'd hold up to this,  being beaten by clubs and flag poles, Benjamin? These are some big dudes. This ain't Chiang Mai!
 
 
 
 
I'm tired of hearing about Trump and his corruption!  ( move his hands over his ears) I'M NOT LISTENING, I'M NOT LISTENING, I'M NOT LISTENING.
 
Glen Greenwald 2016-21
 

Kirk G-

Well, we have different viewpoints, and that is OK. 

I believe the Washington DC medical examiner's report on Sicknick, and so be it. Maybe I am wrong. 

Actually, I am not as obsessed with the Sicknick story as the Wuhan lab-leak story (or the JFKA for that matter).

Egads, what would you call the prolonged active censoring, and de-platforming, of people who properly considered a Wuhan lab leak a real possibility? And the mainstream media with its "debunked conspiracy theory" antics regarding Wuhan?

The national security state has formed an alliance with media and the Democratic Party.  

Caveat emptor.

PS You know who is best pals now with the D-Party? 

Liz Cheney. 

The are volumes of information in that one small answer. 

 

 

 

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Actually I live here so I have a more comprehensive understanding. So you're interested in the Democrats evil  ties to Liz Cheney? I'm more interested in your ties to Fox news. You've wheeled out Tucker Carlson for guidance on an occasion or 2.

Benjamin said"There is some culture-war stuff, and some race stuff",
You do sound more nuanced now. When you first came here, you came off as a blazing  Fox cultural warrior who was obsessed with his disgust for "identity politics", stating it over and over again."I hate identity politics." Which told me this guy watches a lot of Fox culture warrior stuff or similar online sources.
 
To demystify this for you Benjamin. When people get over their thin skinnedness,  All these demarcations can be explained in terms of interest groups. The Democrats have a loose coalition of groups, the international elites and business class people and then there's a coalition of "identity"  minority groups vying for their civil rights that you're upset about, Blacks, Native Americans, Asians LGBTQ. But I would think since you have "a lot of sympathy for the marginalized, the outcasts, the misfits, the estranged, the lost, the embittered.", you'd sympathize. But apparently that's just for disaffected whites? Among the other groups that are in the Democratic interest groups are the environmentalist groups and consumer protection groups. Do you have any sympathy for them? 
 
Then on the other end of the ledger, you have the Republicans who, like the Democrats favor the international global elitists and business class people, and the majority of the Defense industry, though not exclusively,and the Religious right. That's pretty much it. That's their coalition., To some of us, it's sort of arbitrary to insist that racial, ethnic, gender injustice is somehow second tier, and the religious right isn't?.
 
The" identity politics" card is really just a buzzword phrase that Fox news and Breitbart and other right wing groups   have seized upon to appeal to white people who are concerned about losing their majority status. It's a disguised race card. At the time, my feeling was upon hearing of your disdain was, if he falls for this primary stuff, he'll pretty much fall for anything. JMO.
Is there some unfairness  in the way all these interest groups try to seize their agenda?, yes. But your fervent adoption of the fox message that pits  white disenfranchised against the minority disenfranchised is just music to the elites ears. Anything to get the attention off them. After all, there is a class of people who have strongholds on both sides of the Republican Democrat ledger! To strongly adopt the "I hate identity politics" banner is just another bandwagon to corporate  shilldom. You came off completely misdirected.
At least that was my opinion.
I know, we have different viewpoints,  and that's ok! 😀
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35 minutes ago, Kirk Gallaway said:

Actually I live here so I have a more comprehensive understanding. So you're interested in the Democrats evil  ties to Liz Cheney? I'm more interested in your ties to Fox news. You've wheeled out Tucker Carlson for guidance on an occasion or 2.

Benjamin said"There is some culture-war stuff, and some race stuff",
You do sound more nuanced now. When you first came here, you came off as a blazing  Fox cultural warrior who was obsessed with his disgust for "identity politics", stating it over and over again."I hate identity politics." Which told me this guy watches a lot of Fox culture warrior stuff or similar online sources.
 
To demystify this for you Benjamin. When people get over their thin skinnedness,  All these demarcations can be explained in terms of interest groups. The Democrats have a loose coalition of groups, the international elites and business class people and then there's a coalition of "identity"  minority groups vying for their civil rights that you're upset about, Blacks, Native Americans, Asians LGBTQ. But I would think since you have "a lot of sympathy for the marginalized, the outcasts, the misfits, the estranged, the lost, the embittered.", you'd sympathize. But apparently that's just for disaffected whites? Among the other groups that are in the Democratic interest groups are the environmentalist groups and consumer protection groups. Do you have any sympathy for them? 
 
Then on the other end of the ledger, you have the Republicans who, like the Democrats favor the international global elitists and business class people, and the majority of the Defense industry, though not exclusively,and the Religious right. That's pretty much it. That's their coalition., To some of us, it's sort of arbitrary to insist that racial, ethnic, gender injustice is somehow second tier, and the religious right isn't?.
 
The" identity politics" card is really just a buzzword phrase that Fox news and Breitbart and other right wing groups   have seized upon to appeal to white people who are concerned about losing their majority status. It's a disguised race card. At the time, my feeling was upon hearing of your disdain was, if he falls for this primary stuff, he'll pretty much fall for anything. JMO.
Is there some unfairness  in the way all these interest groups try to seize their agenda?, yes. But your fervent adoption of the fox message that pits  white disenfranchised against the minority disenfranchised is just music to the elites ears. Anything to get the attention off them. After all, there is a class of people who have strongholds on both sides of the Republican Democrat ledger! To strongly adopt the "I hate identity politics" banner is just another bandwagon to corporate  shilldom. You came off completely misdirected.
At least that was my opinion.
I know, we have different viewpoints,  and that's ok! 😀
*****

 

Kirk G-

 

Actually I live in Thailand now, so I do not see US cable news, or any TV news. I read Google News, and then Matt Taibbi and Glenn Greenwald and a lot drab economics-financial stuff that would probably bore you. 

True, I loathe identity politics. My take is that ID politics is divisive, and intentionally so.  

There is a great book out there, "Trade Wars are Class Wars" by Michael Pettit. Give it a read.

Anyways, you have your views, and I do not dismiss your views. They are simply different from my views. 

Good luck in DC. About this time of year, we have something in common: heat and humidity. 

 

 

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Is there any opposition to Biden's nightmare from the left at all? What will it take? Would environmentalists (or any human being) get upset if he backed a plan to dump a million gallons of toxic waste into the ocean causing even more cancer and disrupting a vital ecosystem even further? How about making "Mr. Monsanto" Secretary of Agriculture and allowing more cancer causing chemicals to get into American (and Colombian) bodies? I guess as long as he's not the Orange guy that didn't actually conspire with Russia then its fine.

https://www.insider.com/japan-radioactive-water-release-usa-support-protests-from-region-2021-4

 

 

 

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I'm curious. Whatever happened to the requirement that didn't allow sock puppets to create profiles and comment?

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Mark your calendars!

"Mike Lindell says by August 13, the talk of the world will be to overturn the election and get the communists out. He also said there will be many down ticket senators that will have different election results.."
 
 
I'm sorry I won't be able to join you. I think I have to wash dishes that day
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Donald Trump has sued Twitter, Facebook and Google for kicking him off their platforms. He filed suit in Florida.

1. You can't sue private companies for violating First Amendment rights. They only apply to governments.

2> Facebook's Terms of Service say that if you want to sue them, you have to file in San Francisco. He filed in Florida.

3. His "expert" lawyers are a Personal Injury firm.

Ivey, Barnum and O'Mara, LLC is based in Connecticut. Notice how all their lawyers are listed as Pro Hac Vice Forthcoming. Pro Hac Vice means, For This Occasion, or This Event Only. At least two of them list aol.com as their professional address.

https://twitter.com/AkivaMCohen/status/1412802041609691138

 

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https://www.ibolaw.com/

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"Our firm was founded in 1950 with the goal of helping our friends and neighbors in Southwestern Connecticut and the surrounding region."

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The Chilling Message of Trump’s Embrace of Ashli Babbitt Martyrdom

January 6 is now a heroic uprising for the movement.

By Jonathan Chait

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/07/trump-who-shot-ashli-babbitt-january-6-insurrection-riot.html

 

“All the political momentum is on Trump’s side. He has slowly turned January 6 from a black mark that threatened to expunge him from Republican politics, to a regrettable episode that his allies preferred to leave behind, to a glorious uprising behind which he could rally his adherents.

Martyrs are the most potent symbols for a radical movement. The John Birch Society commemorated an American missionary killed by Chinese communists in 1945 (the first death of the Cold War, the society’s followers believed). Horst Wessel, a German storm trooper killed by communists in 1930, inspired an eponymous song that became a poopoo anthem.

The anti-anti-Trump right has dismissed the insurrection as overblown, a protest march gone bad, perhaps ill-considered but never posing any serious threat to the republic. The far right’s highlighting of Babbitt’s death sends a different message: The insurrection was good. Babbitt’s effort to penetrate the defensive barrier was brave, and the stopping of her charge a crime.

By throwing himself behind this message, Trump is endorsing the most radical interpretation of his presidency. January 6 was not a minor misstep after a successful era, as fans like Mike Pence and Lindsey Graham now say. It was the heroic culmination of a righteous uprising.“

Chilling indeed.

Steve Thomas

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3 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:

The Chilling Message of Trump’s Embrace of Ashli Babbitt Martyrdom

January 6 is now a heroic uprising for the movement.

By Jonathan Chait

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/07/trump-who-shot-ashli-babbitt-january-6-insurrection-riot.html

 

“All the political momentum is on Trump’s side. He has slowly turned January 6 from a black mark that threatened to expunge him from Republican politics, to a regrettable episode that his allies preferred to leave behind, to a glorious uprising behind which he could rally his adherents.

Martyrs are the most potent symbols for a radical movement. The John Birch Society commemorated an American missionary killed by Chinese communists in 1945 (the first death of the Cold War, the society’s followers believed). Horst Wessel, a German storm trooper killed by communists in 1930, inspired an eponymous song that became a poopoo anthem.

The anti-anti-Trump right has dismissed the insurrection as overblown, a protest march gone bad, perhaps ill-considered but never posing any serious threat to the republic. The far right’s highlighting of Babbitt’s death sends a different message: The insurrection was good. Babbitt’s effort to penetrate the defensive barrier was brave, and the stopping of her charge a crime.

By throwing himself behind this message, Trump is endorsing the most radical interpretation of his presidency. January 6 was not a minor misstep after a successful era, as fans like Mike Pence and Lindsey Graham now say. It was the heroic culmination of a righteous uprising.“

Chilling indeed.

Steve Thomas

Steven T---

Jonathan Chait?

The twerp that wrote this:

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/06/jfk-accomplished-little-but-his-historic-myth-endures.html

That Chait? 

Chait strikes me as a punked mouthpiece. 

 

 

 

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As the only one checking in of the forum this evening I had a strange thought, a blast from the past.

So to give the site attention...  The live at the time version, apparently owned by the Japanese won't link.   So, just listen.

And now we are a half dozen.

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