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17 hours ago, Douglas Caddy said:

Biden, the State Department and the Pentagon will be all blamed for this historic disaster and deservedly so.

The next Gallup Poll will not be kind to Biden.  His whole agenda is now in jeopardy.  

This could have been easily avoided. Rachel Maddow sounded the alarm five weeks ago and brought guests on her show to emphasize the imminent peril. I and my friends talked about it and were worried. The morale of the Democratic Party's rank and file will suffer greatly. 

I am both outraged and sickened by this development. 

 

 

Doug,

     Have you seen this story?

"“I started the process, all the troops are coming home, they (Biden) couldn’t stop the process. 21 years is enough."

-- Donald Trump/ June 2021

https://t.co/Cd1DTRSbyO

 

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-afghanistan-2654682057/

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9 hours ago, W. Niederhut said:

Trump invited the Taliban to Camp David?  That's about stupid.  Frees their leaders among 5,000 others and the quick takeover is Biden's fault for doing what he said he would?  Was he setting Biden up?  He'd already Lost the election.  

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Trump as president was Putin's agent and faithfully carried out the geopolitical strategy for Afghanistan that was given to him to implement.

Biden was indeed set up but he apparently willingly walked into the trap the had been devised in Russia, which decades ago lost its war in Afghanistan but learned important lessons from that experience.

However, even Putin could not have foreseen the totally incompetent way Biden would implement the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan. This morning on Morning Joe the Pentagon's spokesman said that two weeks ago the Pentagon in a secure room was running a rehearsal for withdrawal with emphasis on saving those Afghans who had helped us. Two weeks ago the Pentagon should have been airlifting those persons out of the country, not running a rehearsal.

China now knows that it can take Taiwan and any American military effort to stop this will end in a debacle for us. China does not think America would escalate the confrontation into nuclear war.

 

 

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Has anybody followed the progress of the trans-Afghan oil pipeline from the Caspian Sea, which the Taliban held up for so long, prompting the 2001 invasion? 

Did oil companies get any construction underway during our occupation?

Have we allowed a Taliban resurgence because they finally made a pipeline security deal with us, since UBL's been "dead"?

Are any forces staying behind to protect a pipeline deal?  NATO?  Xe (former Blackwater) or other corporate mercenaries?

Why has Afghanistan "fallen" so fast?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/aug/14/afghanistan-taliban-us-troops?traffic_source=Connatix

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Doug, From what I'm hearing, our purpose there was to train Afghan soldiers to protect their country. This is something they didn't do. All the monies sent to them were abused by the Afghani govt. Never went to what it was supposed to go for.

So if we stayed, nothing would change. 

(Did you watch Rachel last night? She brought all of this up.)

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1 hour ago, Douglas Caddy said:

Trump as president was Putin's agent and faithfully carried out the geopolitical strategy for Afghanistan that was given to him to implement.

Biden was indeed set up but he apparently willingly walked into the trap the had been devised in Russia, which decades ago lost its war in Afghanistan but learned important lessons from that experience.However, even Putin could not have foreseen the totally incompetent way Biden would implement the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan.

    Is it another example of the oxymoron known as "military intelligence?"

    I'm wondering why our military intelligence people failed to anticipate the rapid capitulation of U.S. backed Afghan forces to the Taliban-- a process which, apparently, began after Trump and Pompeo negotiated their treaty with the Taliban in early 2020.

    

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In 1979, Afghanistan was a secular nation which at least in the large population centres enjoyed equality for all persons under a relatively popular socialist government.This arrangement was deliberately destroyed by the United States, which directed money, armaments and encouragement to a conservative fundamentalist religious cult as a means to geopolitical advantage. Later, even before the events of 9-11, US leaders decided to overthrow these same fundamentalists and militarily occupy the country. Afghanistan, under US and NATO occupation, duly became one of the most corrupt entities on the planet, a sinkhole where over $2 trillion literally disappeared in plain sight. There is plenty of blame to go around, but the responsibility does not extend much beyond D.C.

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2 hours ago, David Andrews said:

Has anybody followed the progress of the trans-Afghan oil pipeline from the Caspian Sea, which the Taliban held up for so long, prompting the 2001 invasion? 

Did oil companies get any construction underway during our occupation?

Have we allowed a Taliban resurgence because they finally made a pipeline security deal with us, since UBL's been "dead"?

Are any forces staying behind to protect a pipeline deal?  NATO?  Xe (former Blackwater) or other corporate mercenaries?

Why has Afghanistan "fallen" so fast?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/aug/14/afghanistan-taliban-us-troops?traffic_source=Connatix

David,

You might be interested in reading this article:

The Oil Connection: Afghanistan and Caspian Sea oil pipeline routes

https://web.archive.org/web/20020615125843/http://www.newhumanist.com/oil.html

Scroll down about 2/3 of the way down the page and read through the Possible Caspian Oil Routes

I think the southerly, Afghanisatan route has been abandoned in favor of the westerly route from the Caspian through Azerbaijan and Georgia to the Black Sea.

That's why Azerbaijan has been so much on the news lately. It think it also explains Ivanka Trump's interest in building a Trump hotel in Baku.

Steve Thomas

 

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1 hour ago, Steve Thomas said:

I think the southerly, Afghanisatan route has been abandoned in favor of the westerly route from the Caspian through Azerbaijan and Georgia to the Black Sea.

Thank you, Steve.  Will get my full attention and lead to further research.

Somehow, I get the itchy feeling that our long-term strategy will be to go back to Afghanistan, as we did in Iraq.

Either that, or this is a Trump deal with Putin, swapping Afghanistan for influence in the Azerbaijian-Georgia route.

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2 hours ago, Jeff Carter said:

In 1979, Afghanistan was a secular nation which at least in the large population centres enjoyed equality for all persons under a relatively popular socialist government.This arrangement was deliberately destroyed by the United States, which directed money, armaments and encouragement to a conservative fundamentalist religious cult as a means to geopolitical advantage. Later, even before the events of 9-11, US leaders decided to overthrow these same fundamentalists and militarily occupy the country. Afghanistan, under US and NATO occupation, duly became one of the most corrupt entities on the planet, a sinkhole where over $2 trillion literally disappeared in plain sight. There is plenty of blame to go around, but the responsibility does not extend much beyond D.C.

    I notice that using Muslims to attack communists was a popular CIA stratagem for decades -- going back to Indonesia in the 60s.  They used the same stratagem with Osama Bin Laden in Afghanistan in the 1980s, and it was used in the 1990s in Bosnia and Kosovo (again with Osama Bin Laden) to attack the communist Yugoslav regime in Belgrade.*

   Few people seem to know that Bin Laden and his mujaheddin colleagues (i.e., "Al Qaeda") were using Bosnian passports in the 1990s, while supporting the Islamic Izetbegovic regime in Bosnia (and the Muslim KLA in Kosovo) in their war against the communist rump state in Belgrade.  The Saudis provided the funding.

   Fewer still seem to know that the CIA was arming and backing "Al Qaeda" (and Al Nusra) in our proxy war against Assad's regime in Syria, again with Saudi funding.

   Sibel Edmonds claimed that Osama Bin Laden was a CIA asset before and after 9/11.**

* https://www.amazon.com/Unholy-Terror-Bosnia-Al-Qaida-Global-ebook/dp/B003IT6PYK

** https://www.amazon.com/Classified-Woman-Sibel-Edmonds-Story/dp/0615602223/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=Sibel+Edmonds&qid=1629225276&s=books&sr=1-1

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2 hours ago, David Andrews said:

Somehow, I get the itchy feeling that our long-term strategy will be to go back to Afghanistan, as we did in Iraq.

Either that, or this is a Trump deal with Putin, swapping Afghanistan for influence in the Azerbaijian-Georgia route.

David,

I don't think so.

If you look at a map, Afghanistan sits astride the major highway linking the Middle East and China on the east/west axis, and the Russian Steppes and the Arabian Sea on the north/south axis.

But everybody seems to want to go around it rather than through it. It's been called the Roundabout of the Ancient World

It's also been called The Graveyard of Empires, going back to Alexander the Great and Darius The Great. Even Genghis Khan couldn't hold it.

The Azerbaijian-Georgia oil route was designed to freeze out Russia. They wanted the oil from Central Asia to go north of the Caspian Sea across Kazakhstan.

Steve Thomas

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