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21 hours ago, Joe Bauer said:

Certain companies back here at home made a fortune off the Afghan operation.

Just one aspect of the trillions spent there:

76,000 vehicles? At at least $25,000 per vehicle minimum that's what ... 1.6 BILLION?

Almost 5,000 Humvees? Specially equipped? At a minimum of $100,000 per that's 500 million?

And the gas and maintenance cost on these?

Like I said, some American companies and their majority holdings stock holders made an absolute fortune off that 20 year long campaign.

And this is just vehicles? 

One can guess that even American ice cream companies made a killing keeping our troops stocked with it.

We are militarily super rich and American society needs poor. 

Maybe we should declare war on ourselves and reap these lavish, money's no object riches upon ourselves.

And after all those hundreds of billions, the country collapses in one day after our leaving?

 

 

Joe: As the Atlantic magazine proclaims, Biden will live in infamy for what he has done in Afghanistan.

It is the most serious geopolitical mistake since Peal Harbor when FDR placed all those ships in one location. What Biden  and his Secretary of State have done is much worse. America is in great peril that grows more deadly each day. Russia and China are licking their chops at what they are going to do to the U.S.

No serious person, here or abroad, trusts Biden's judgment anymore. He has lied repeatedly. His credibility is zero. I feel sorry for the Democratic Senator and Congressman up for reelection in 2022 as he has made it virtually impossible for them to be re-elected.

Americans and all those in the Free World are innocent victims of his dunderhead foreign policy. We suffer as to do the Afghans.

 

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U.S.-made weapons seized by Taliban could lead to regional arms bazaar

By PAUL MCLEARY and LEE HUDSON 08/19/2021

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/08/19/us-weapons-seized-taliban-506313

“In brokering the surrender of entire Afghan army divisions over the past week, the Taliban took control of billions worth of American-made weapons and equipment, including small arms, Humvees, pickup trucks, aircraft and drones.

In the chaos of the moment, however, it’s unclear to U.S. officials how much equipment the Taliban has seized and how much sits unattended on bases and small combat outposts across the country. That uncertainty over the status of a massive arsenal is sparking fears of a regional arms bazaar that could be a boon to terrorist groups and insurgents.

“What we are seeing now is these weapons, which have ended up in the hands of the Taliban, will probably circulate in the region for many decades to come,” said Nils Duquet, Flemish Peace Institute interim director. “At the moment, they’re very instrumental [because] if you want to control territory, you need small arms.”

The images that have spread across the world over the past week of Taliban fighters posing in front of captured helicopters and light attack aircraft have allowed the group to further humiliate the former Afghan and American governments. But these images don’t concern longtime extremism watchers as much as the proliferation of guns, bullets and grenades.

“I have full confidence that some of this equipment is going to end up in the hands of al Qaeda and other bad actors, it's inevitable,” said Colin Clarke, director of policy and research at The Soufan Group. “This is not going to just end with the Taliban.”

 

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I think the Taliban may be getting a little nervous.

There's an old adage in history; it's one thing to take a country, it's another thing to hold it.

You need bureaucrats and worker bees to make the trains run on time, and they see all these Afghans fleeing the country. Who's going to be left to collect the taxes and pay the bills?

Somber mood as Taliban are back at Friday prayers

by Agence France-Presse August 20, 2021

https://www.rawstory.com/sombre-mood-as-taliban-are-back-at-friday-prayers/

“At mosques across the capital the overarching theme appeared to be an appeal for Afghans to give the new regime a chance: instead of fleeing the country, help rebuild it, was the message.”

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This is a very good article:

Why anti-vaxx attitudes fit so perfectly with far-right ideology across the globe

by Magdi Semrau, Alternet

August 21, 2021

https://www.rawstory.com/why-anti-vaxx-attitudes-fit-so-perfectly-with-far-right-ideology-across-the-globe/

“Populist movements characteristically embody the pathos of the masses in opposition to an imagined "elite." The "masses" are, typically, not representative of the public at large, but rather ethnically and culturally homogeneous. Populists are bound together by strong cultural identity and moral superiority and perceive their values as under perceived threat. The populist's opponents—including politicians, academics, scientists, ethnic and religious minorities—are not only corrupt, but actually evil. They are, quite literally, enemies of the people.”

“Notice also how, in the United States, Donald Trump and the Republican Party have been actively weaving the threads of populism throughout their own response to the pandemic, from anti-lockdowns, to anti-masking, to anti-vaccines. And they haven't stopped at merely casting doubt on science and inspiring rage towards public health. Trump has declared that those who doubt the vaccine do so because they believe the 2020 election was illegitimate, thus explicitly tying anti-science to political loyalty, as well as to distrust in government, and, indeed, in distrust of democracy itself.

Tellingly, this distrust in science extends beyond sowing doubt about vaccines. For example, when Trump was contradicted by scientists about the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine, he dug deeper in his advocacy for the treatment. Now, effective anti-virals have been developed, yet far rightists continue to tout the benefits of hydroxychloroquine, some even claiming it as part of their personal treatment. Thus, as is the case with anti-vaccination, a dubious treatment has itself become a symbol of populist resistance. Hydroxychloroquine, doubted by scientists, is glorified. Vaccination, validated by scientists, is portrayed as a tool of poopoo-esque torture.”

Steve Thomas


 

 

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What is clearly missing is whether or not Trump and his political cronies have been vaccinated. 

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3 minutes ago, Paul Brancato said:

What is clearly missing is whether or not Trump and his political cronies have been vaccinated. 

Paul,

That's the thing. The article points out that they all have been. It's the ultimate in political manipulation and crass hypocrisy.

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Thanks - I confess I didn’t read the article. It would seem very obvious that the way to counteract all this hypocrisy is never let an interview go by, never miss a chance to point this fact out. Of course the debate seems to have shifted to mask mandates. But here in SF we now have vaccine mandates too. Our choral director, who lives in Sweden, has just resigned over the vaccine mandate because he is unvaccinated. He is also not a Trumper or a woo woo new ager, but a very intelligent masterful musician. I’m personally confused about vaccine mandates. If vaccinated people can still get Covid, and still spread it, isn’t testing the better way to go? The only way to know if someone is truly safe to others is if they test negative, assuming the accuracy of the test. 

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Reply to Paul Brancato( my first post after a long time lurking)-  I am a retired physician but well connected to currently practicing docs.  In the early days of Covid Minnesota physicians started a secure link for physicians to share information and it was enormously helpful.  We also had weekly video conferences with regional experts so practicing docs were well informed.  If you are looking for accurate information, I would recommend CIDRAP with Dr Mike Osterholm from the University of Minnesota.

Vaccinations reduce the severity of illness if one is unlucky enough to have a breakthrough case.  So if you are immunized its highly likely that the illness will be milder.  Some of the breakthrough cases are people that have a specific reason.  For example, people that have had a solid organ transplant or people getting chemotherapy or post splenectomy do not get a good immune response so they are at high risk to develop Covid.  Lots is being said about this as they are trying to identify those patients at highest risk so they can get the third dose.  So when they say the immunization is 95% effective that means that 5% did not get the usual immune response.  Testing provides no help for those affected by the virus.

 

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4 hours ago, Roger Waage said:

Reply to Paul Brancato( my first post after a long time lurking)-  I am a retired physician but well connected to currently practicing docs.  In the early days of Covid Minnesota physicians started a secure link for physicians to share information and it was enormously helpful.  We also had weekly video conferences with regional experts so practicing docs were well informed.  If you are looking for accurate information, I would recommend CIDRAP with Dr Mike Osterholm from the University of Minnesota.

Vaccinations reduce the severity of illness if one is unlucky enough to have a breakthrough case.  So if you are immunized its highly likely that the illness will be milder.  Some of the breakthrough cases are people that have a specific reason.  For example, people that have had a solid organ transplant or people getting chemotherapy or post splenectomy do not get a good immune response so they are at high risk to develop Covid.  Lots is being said about this as they are trying to identify those patients at highest risk so they can get the third dose.  So when they say the immunization is 95% effective that means that 5% did not get the usual immune response.  Testing provides no help for those affected by the virus.

 

I wish my daughters could understand this.

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The Middle East is running out of water, and parts of it are becoming uninhabitable

By Frederik Pleitgen, Claudia Otto, Angela Dewan and Mohammed Tawfeeq, CNN

Updated 12:08 AM ET, Sun August 22, 2021

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/22/middleeast/middle-east-climate-water-shortage-iran-urmia-intl/index.html

This map shows the most water-stressed areas in the Middle East. The large country in the middle is Iran. To its east is Afghanistan, To its west is Iraq. To its north are the oil-rich Central Asian countries we have been talking about.

“The consequences of water becoming even scarcer are dire: Areas could become uninhabitable; tensions over how to share and manage water resources like rivers and lakes could worsen; more political violence could erupt.”

 

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28 minutes ago, Steve Thomas said:

Fox is in full Benghazi mode with their latest blame-Biden-for-Afghanistan propaganda.

I just saw a post about Fox blaming Obama for a small scale prisoner swap (for Bergdahl) with the Taliban in 2010-- while ignoring Trump and Pompeo's Taliban treaty last year that resulted in the release of 5,000 Taliban prisoners, including Taliban founder and de facto leader Abdul Ghani Baradar.

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1 hour ago, W. Niederhut said:

Fox is in full Benghazi mode with their latest blame-Biden-for-Afghanistan propaganda.

I just saw a post about Fox blaming Obama for a small scale prisoner swap (for Bergdahl) with the Taliban in 2010-- while ignoring Trump and Pompeo's Taliban treaty last year that resulted in the release of 5,000 Taliban prisoners, including Taliban founder and de facto leader Abdul Ghani Baradar.

That's Faux News.

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