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U.S. Citizens and Afghans Wait for Evacuation Flights From Country’s North

The Taliban have left hundreds of people stranded in Afghanistan awaiting approval for departure.

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In this satellite image taken on Friday, planes can be seen near the main terminal of the airport in Mazar-i-Sharif, Afghanistan.Credit...Maxar Technologies/Reuters

Sept. 5, 2021
 
The New York Times

Around 1,000 people, including dozens of American citizens and Afghans holding visas to the United States or other countries, remained stuck in Afghanistan for the fifth day on Sunday as they awaited clearance for the departure from the Taliban. The holdup reflects the challenges of foreign governments working with the group, which has yet to form a government.

Negotiations to allow the planes to depart, involving officials of the Taliban, the United States and Qatar, have dragged on for days, leaving the evacuees in an increasingly precarious limbo, according to representatives of organizations trying to get them to safety.T

 

The Biden administration has faced criticism for leaving Americans and Afghan allies behind after the final troops left on Aug. 30.

The confusion surrounding the departure of the chartered planes from Mazar reflects the chaos in Afghanistan resulting from the departure of the United States and its Western allies and fears that the Taliban will fail to come good on their promises to respect human rights and not persecute Afghans who cooperated with the American-backed government.

“The reason the Taliban wants to prevent these people from leaving is likely because they intend to punish them for their cooperation with the U.S.,” said Mick Mulroy, a former senior Pentagon official who has been working with the group Task Force Dunkirk to help evacuate Afghans from the country. If the Taliban really are using people as a bargaining chip, Mr. Mulroy said, that “is unacceptable.”

Representative Michael McCaul, Republican of Texas and the ranking member of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, suggested during an interview on Fox News Sunday that the Taliban were preventing six airplanes from leaving Afghanistan, effectively holding Americans hostage.

“State has cleared these flights, and the Taliban will not let them leave the airport,” Mr. McCaul said, adding that he believed the problem was “turning into a hostage situation.”

Mr. McCaul said the Taliban wanted “something in exchange” for approving takeoff of the planes. He said he believed they were seeking “full recognition from the United States of America.”

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Conservatives are already setting the stage to accuse Newsom of recall election fraud: report

by Tom Boggioni September 06, 2021

https://www.rawstory.com/conservatives-are-already-setting-the-stage-to-accuse-newsom-of-recall-election-fraud-report/

"Appearing on Fox News, Elder -- the leading Republican candidate -- already telegraphed how he might respond to Newsom not being ousted.

"The 2020 election, in my opinion, was full of shenanigans. And my fear is they're going to try that in this election right here and recall. So I'm urging people to go to ElectElder.com. Whenever you see anything, hear anything suspicious, go to my website. We have a battery of lawyers. We're going to file a lawsuit in a timely fashion this time," he told MediaBuzz host Howard Kurtz."

 

And so it begins.

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10 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said:

OK, we do not agree on this particular event, and that's fine. 

Cheney and "rule of law" on the same page? Well....

My take is Liz Cheney loathes, detests and reviles Trumpers most of all for...not their domestic politics, but their "isolationist" foreign policy and the wrecking the establishment-Bush wing of the GOP. 

Remember Jeb! Bush getting 2% of the 2016 Florida primary vote against the talk-show host Trump? Jeb!'s home state. Jeb! Trump completely crushed the party establishment. 

My take on US politics these days is exhausted resignation, so not much disappointment enters my vocabulary. 

But if I can rise to the occasion, I am disappointed that the first US political movement to challenge to national security state-foreign policy Deep State prerogatives in 50 years...is the regrettable Trumpers. 

Cheney strikes me as a deep-state apparatchik 24/7. The 1/6 scrum will necessitate for a larger surveillance state and police state, and a defeat of the Trumpers. 

BTW, I unabashedly give Biden credit for pulling out of Afghanie. It may even be the military peevishly let matters go to pot after Biden stuck with his decision. Booby-trapped Biden, so to speak.

Good for Biden. 

 

PS Interesting question: Obviously Liz Cheney learned politics at her daddy's knee.

You say Dick Cheney was part of the plot to demolish the WTC towers on 9/11, probably the most heinous domestic act by the US government in history.

Do you think Dick Cheney ever educated his daughter as to the necessity that day of downing the WTC towers, so that invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan could follow? Do you suppose being so well-positioned, Liz Cheney figured it out? 

Is she is aware of the truth on 9/11...what do you make of her? Would you believe what she says about 1/6? 

 

 

 

 

 
That's where your heartaches begin,
Elvis
 
 
Ben: My take on US politics these days is exhausted resignation, I am disappointed that the first US political movement to challenge to national security state-foreign policy Deep State prerogatives in 50 years...is the regrettable Trumpers
 
Yes, and that's why you were always doomed to failure.  Mostly because you're initial premise is wrong.
Ben:My take is Liz Cheney loathes, detests and reviles Trumpers most of all for...not their domestic politics, but their "isolationist" foreign policy 
 
Trump js not, and never been  an isolationist, he's personally more a globalist with global interests throughout the world than any previous President. He is absolutely not an ideologue at all. But reacts internationally mostly from the perspective of how it effects his personal interests. Similarly the rank and file people who follow him are not at all ideological other than some,misplaced anger against  the "government" or authority that you've sort of glomed on to as ideology. .. There was never anything more to it. Whatever sort of anti globalist populist rhetoric Trump had in speeches was not from Trump himself but was given to him by Steve Banon.
 
Though I do have some sympathy for your misdirection,  I've tried to dialog with you about a world without globalism and the U.K."s role in it , and history without it , but you choose not to.. The same condition to the prospect of anti globalism doesn't really exist as much  in the U.S. as the U.S. is this biggest world consumer bubble that foreign countries cutthroat vie for a piece of, but few can compete for. Just sayin"
 
As for your lead character, Liz Cheney and now endless speculation about her sympathy to some role her father had in 911, I won't even address. But your previous assertions that she's become a kingpin in the Democratic Party was honestly wacko.
Liz Cheney is a politician, without a political party, whose operating under the present illusion that she can bring her party back. Her chief antipathy to Trump is not that Trump pulled off any coup in world anti globalism, though regarding U.S. foreign intervention, it's true that she was more concerned about Trump's rhetoric then the eventual reality,  but far more than either of those is her anger toward Trump for destroying the Republican Party.
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2 hours ago, Douglas Caddy said:

Biden’s Long Trail of Betrayals

Why is the president so consistently wrong on major foreign-policy matters?

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/08/biden-afghanistan-record/619799/

and the wuzzy media continues.... back to manufacturing noise when they simply can't cover the news -- they need to invent news... The 24 hour news cycle created 5 billion wannabe commentators and about 10 reporters.... most are worthless pukes...

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8 hours ago, Kirk Gallaway said:
 
That's where your heartaches begin,
Elvis
 
 
Ben: My take on US politics these days is exhausted resignation, I am disappointed that the first US political movement to challenge to national security state-foreign policy Deep State prerogatives in 50 years...is the regrettable Trumpers
 
Yes, and that's why you were always doomed to failure.  Mostly because you're initial premise is wrong.
Ben:My take is Liz Cheney loathes, detests and reviles Trumpers most of all for...not their domestic politics, but their "isolationist" foreign policy 
 
Trump js not, and never been  an isolationist, he's personally more a globalist with global interests throughout the world than any previous President. He is absolutely not an ideologue at all. But reacts internationally mostly from the perspective of how it effects his personal interests. Similarly the rank and file people who follow him are not at all ideological other than some,misplaced anger against  the "government" or authority that you've sort of glomed on to as ideology. .. There was never anything more to it. Whatever sort of anti globalist populist rhetoric Trump had in speeches was not from Trump himself but was given to him by Steve Banon.
 
Though I do have some sympathy for your misdirection,  I've tried to dialog with you about a world without globalism and the U.K."s role in it , and history without it , but you choose not to.. The same condition to the prospect of anti globalism doesn't really exist as much  in the U.S. as the U.S. is this biggest world consumer bubble that foreign countries cutthroat vie for a piece of, but few can compete for. Just sayin"
 
As for your lead character, Liz Cheney and now endless speculation about her sympathy to some role her father had in 911, I won't even address. But your previous assertions that she's become a kingpin in the Democratic Party was honestly wacko.
Liz Cheney is a politician, without a political party, whose operating under the present illusion that she can bring her party back. Her chief antipathy to Trump is not that Trump pulled off any coup in world anti globalism, though regarding U.S. foreign intervention, it's true that she was more concerned about Trump's rhetoric then the eventual reality,  but far more than either of those is her anger toward Trump for destroying the Republican Party.

Liz Cheney sits on the House Armed Services Committee, and its Intelligence and Special Operations subcommittee.

What are the odds that someone so well-placed, and with her family background, is unaware that 9/11 was the work of her father and the Bush Administration? She never heard anything? 

You believe she will get to the bottom of the Jan. 6 plot to overthrow the US government? 

 

 

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On 9/4/2021 at 12:27 AM, W. Niederhut said:

This is pure bunk-- a type of straw man-- written and published to discredit the evidence of explosive demolitions, and to conceal the identities of the people who blew up the WTC on 9/11.

As propaganda, I would liken it to the forged letter that was used to discredit Dan Rather's attempts to expose George W. Bush's history of going AWOL from the Texas National Guard.

Liz Cheney sits on the House Armed Services Committee, and its Intelligence and Special Operations subcommittee.

What are the odds that someone so well-placed, and with her family background, is unaware that 9/11 was the work of her father and the Bush Administration? She never heard anything? 

You have divined the truth, but Liz Cheney, with every conceivable advantage, has not? 

You believe she will earnestly and fairly get to the bottom of the Jan. 6 event?

Is it possible your faith is misplaced? 

 

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16 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said:

Liz Cheney sits on the House Armed Services Committee, and its Intelligence and Special Operations subcommittee.

What are the odds that someone so well-placed, and with her family background, is unaware that 9/11 was the work of her father and the Bush Administration? She never heard anything? 

You have divined the truth, but Liz Cheney, with every conceivable advantage, has not? 

You believe she will earnestly and fairly get to the bottom of the Jan. 6 event?

Is it possible your faith is misplaced? 

 

Ben, I like that appeal to W. as far as Liz Cheney exhibiting "earnestness and fairness" at the hearings! As if she has "super woman" powers and going to run the table. If you've seen any of these hearings, they're all permitted about 5 minutes. It's mostly just a show trial. She'll be intense in her questioning and make the nightly news, but she'll be pursuing questions any of us would have. In the end, whether she was there or not, I'm not sure it matters much.
 

As for the hearings, I have no idea effective they'll be, but I have my doubts. In the last impeachment trial they didn't call a key witness John Bolton, it seems because they didn't want to play spoiler for his upcoming book.. They're certainly talking tough like giving subpoenas to the Trump family, Kevin Mc Carthy, Jim Jordan,and also getting extensive phone records from Boebert, Greene, Gaetz, Gohmert and Biggs, Gosar and Mo Brooks who I'm particularly curious about.. I'd expect at least that, otherwise it's a  joke. But of course, they'll either fight it, or they can just take he witness stand  and lie about their communications anyway.

But even if they couldn't prove there was extensive planning, if the President was revealed to be dragging in his response to stop an insurrection he started, to most Americans that is a big deal. I know you're worried about the national security state, as we all are,  but I have no idea what an individual, including a President, could possibly do to   upset you Ben.
 
In The America I grew up in, if you were a crook, you better be good at it, or you lose! But there was at least a quest for excellence.Now a President can foment an uprising to nullify a legitimate election and we forgive him because he's so inept at it.
heh heh
Re congress: It's like a third of the country's in a grade school that's been taken over by a bully, and even the janitors are fleeing.  Then we should send a message out to the Republican  Trumpies, that we don't care how absurd you are, BS walks straight into a jail, but I don't think the hearings are designed to do that.
 
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