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7 hours ago, Andrew Prutsok said:

Do you know how many people were charged with treason after the Civil War?

Yes, but President Abraham Lincoln wanted to bind wounds, not put salt on them.  With horrendous carnage everywhere, it was probably the right decision. 

In contrast today....

We know what actors within federal government think about the 600 people arrested in the Capitol occupation. The occupants are deeply unpopular with the DC establishment. 

We know the national security state has access to all texts and e-mails, phone calls---a panopticon.  

But not one Capitol event arrestee has been charged with conspiring with Trump Administration officials or employees. 

So...where are the connections between the 600 lulus in the Capitol, and the Trump Administration? 

Can you cite a single text, e-mail or phone call? Any primary evidence? 

 

 

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4 hours ago, Paul Brancato said:

Kirk - good post. I have little hope that Congress will get tough. We are currently learning that Trump and his people were in cahoots with the insurrectionists, after months of hearings, ignored subpoenas and the like. But wait - didn’t we know that within a few days of Jan 6th? Sadly it seems that they don’t have the stomach to fight back, even with the law on their side. Garland could order Bannon’s arrest. Will he? If not, why not? And what would have come of it had Bannon obeyed the subpoena? Nothing. The people, us, have pretty much given up on mass demonstrations. We prefer petitions and wishful thinking. We can’t even protect our elections. And we ‘liberals’ are being divided against ourselves with cancel culture, wokeness, cultural appropriation, Critical Race Theory. It’s a slow moving but well conceived coup, one that began in the 1960’s and really got going in the late 1970’s.

Paul-

What evidence do you have that the 600 occupants of the Capitol on Jan. 6 were taking instructions from Trump Administration officials or employees? 

Are there any texts, e-mails or phone calls indicating such?

Any primary evidence? 

Remember, the modern-day national security state is a panopticon. They have all your e-mails, texts and phone calls, and mine too. And of anyone reading this. 

Yet...not one arrestee charged with cooperating or conspiring with the Trump Administration! 

Not one! 

Why is that?

Could it be a total lack of evidence? 

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1 minute ago, Benjamin Cole said:

Paul-

What evidence do you have that the 600 occupants of the Capitol on Jan. 6 were taking instructions from Trump Administration officials or employees? 

Are there any texts, e-mails or phone calls indicating such?

Any primary evidence? 

Remember, the modern-day national security state is a panopticon. They have all your e-mails, texts and phone calls, and mine too. And of anyone reading this. 

Yet...not one arrestee charged with cooperating or conspiring with the Trump Administration! 

Not one! 

Why is that?

Could it be a total lack of evidence? 

I think you are reaching, and making a few assumptions along the way that are incorrect. If 600 people were eventually arrested that doesn’t mean that was the sum total. You keep repeating that number as if it indicates the press that filmed it purposely exaggerated the numbers. You view the national security state and media as a monolith. Why? Are there not any number of journalists and Congresspeople that don’t fit that mold? I have only watched a tiny amount of coverage, but when I do I’m struck with how much fear there was inside, and among the DC cops who stayed and tried to protect Congress. Trump has moved with his lawyers to block his communications, so how can you assert there was no planning beforehand? It seems obvious that there was. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Paul Brancato said:

I think you are reaching, and making a few assumptions along the way that are incorrect. If 600 people were eventually arrested that doesn’t mean that was the sum total. You keep repeating that number as if it indicates the press that filmed it purposely exaggerated the numbers. You view the national security state and media as a monolith. Why? Are there not any number of journalists and Congresspeople that don’t fit that mold? I have only watched a tiny amount of coverage, but when I do I’m struck with how much fear there was inside, and among the DC cops who stayed and tried to protect Congress. Trump has moved with his lawyers to block his communications, so how can you assert there was no planning beforehand? It seems obvious that there was. 

 

 

Paul--

Fair questions. 

Unfortunately, yes, I find M$M and the Deep State-national security state increasingly monolithic.  

What we saw for 50 years after the JFKA...is now the norm, but on steroids, regarding any news event. The narrative is what matters, not the facts.  

There are some rare exceptions in journalism, but not in the M$M, such as Matt Taibbi, Glenn Greenwald and Aaron Mate, and, of course, Oliver Stone.

On occasion, M$M'er Tucker Carlson takes a potshot at the national security state, but no real reporting.  

Yes, there was a larger crowd than 600 outside the Capitol on 1.6, and those that remained outside the Capitol were exercising their right to protest, and that is fine.  I hope you accept the right of people to protest.

Those that entered the Capitol were breaking the law, and should have been arrested and were. 

The 600 who entered the Capitol might be suspected of trying to foment an insurrection, however meager the chances were that the vast apparatus of the federal government would go along with their lunatic plan. 

So...the national security state can seize all texts, e-mails and phone records of anybody they want to, and have proven as much by seizing texts of people inside the Capitol sent out on 1.6 (with full and immediate cooperation of the people who run our communication networks). 

There is no evidence anyone inside the Capitol was operating on instructions from anyone inside the Trump Administration. No texts, no e-mails, no phone records. 

On the other hand, AG Merrick Garland has refused to answer questions on how many federal agents were in the scrum on 1.6. 

I would say based on the above, the 1.6 event was a nothingburger. There is "no there there," based on the people arrested inside the Capitol. 

OK, you have suspicions, and I have suspicions. 

Our suspicions are...well, only suspicions 

 

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13 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said:

Yes, but President Abraham Lincoln wanted to bind wounds, not put salt on them.  With horrendous carnage everywhere, it was probably the right decision. 

In contrast today....

We know what actors within federal government think about the 600 people arrested in the Capitol occupation. The occupants are deeply unpopular with the DC establishment. 

We know the national security state has access to all texts and e-mails, phone calls---a panopticon.  

But not one Capitol event arrestee has been charged with conspiring with Trump Administration officials or employees. 

So...where are the connections between the 600 lulus in the Capitol, and the Trump Administration? 

Can you cite a single text, e-mail or phone call? Any primary evidence? 

 

 

My point was not being charged with something doesn't equate to innocence. Just because Jefferson Davis and Robert E. Lee were not tried, convicted and hanged, had their assets stripped and their families sent into exile, does not mean they were not traitors.

And because none of that transpired, these people and their descendants have been causing trouble ever since.

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A review of Patriot Purge in the The Atlantic today...

Tucker Carlson Is Stirring Up Hatred of America
www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/11/patriot-purge-tucker-carlson-documentary/620589/

November 3, 2021

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      ..."To comprehend the full scope of the conspiracy, viewers will have to watch all three episodes. But even in the first episode, the goals of this project are already clear. The point is to describe the events of January 6 as a false-flag operation cooked up inside the deepest layers of the American deep state—and thus to cast doubt on everything that will come out of Congress’s January 6 hearings, everything revealed by every Washington Post or network-television investigation, everything turned up by the FBI. For Fox viewers, this will come as an enormous relief. If all the disturbing facts can be ignored, then no lessons need be learned. Republicans in Congress and the Trump White House need never be blamed for their assault on the Constitution. The people who supported them need never question that support."

 

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6 hours ago, W. Niederhut said:

A review of Patriot Purge in the The Atlantic today...

Tucker Carlson Is Stirring Up Hatred of America
www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/11/patriot-purge-tucker-carlson-documentary/620589/

November 3, 2021

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      ..."To comprehend the full scope of the conspiracy, viewers will have to watch all three episodes. But even in the first episode, the goals of this project are already clear. The point is to describe the events of January 6 as a false-flag operation cooked up inside the deepest layers of the American deep state—and thus to cast doubt on everything that will come out of Congress’s January 6 hearings, everything revealed by every Washington Post or network-television investigation, everything turned up by the FBI. For Fox viewers, this will come as an enormous relief. If all the disturbing facts can be ignored, then no lessons need be learned. Republicans in Congress and the Trump White House need never be blamed for their assault on the Constitution. The people who supported them need never question that support."

 

A good summary of where we are now.

 

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9 hours ago, W. Niederhut said:

A review of Patriot Purge in the The Atlantic today...

Tucker Carlson Is Stirring Up Hatred of America
www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/11/patriot-purge-tucker-carlson-documentary/620589/

November 3, 2021

Excerpt


      ..."To comprehend the full scope of the conspiracy, viewers will have to watch all three episodes. But even in the first episode, the goals of this project are already clear. The point is to describe the events of January 6 as a false-flag operation cooked up inside the deepest layers of the American deep state—and thus to cast doubt on everything that will come out of Congress’s January 6 hearings, everything revealed by every Washington Post or network-television investigation, everything turned up by the FBI. For Fox viewers, this will come as an enormous relief. If all the disturbing facts can be ignored, then no lessons need be learned. Republicans in Congress and the Trump White House need never be blamed for their assault on the Constitution. The people who supported them need never question that support."

 

W.-

 

I keep saying to Tucker Carlson and to The Atlantic, and the rest of M$M: Show some primary evidence, some e-mails, texts or recorded phone calls proving out your case. 

I have not seen Carlson's show yet. If he has proof that federal agitators caused the 1.6 scrum, I would like to see it.

Ditto, if the The Atlantic has proof of Trump Administration officials covertly instigating the occupation of the Capitol, such as texts or recorded phone conversations, then bring it on. 

Glenn Greenwald is airing programs worth watching and you can see them on Youtube (at least for now, until they get banned too).

 

 

 

 

 

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12 hours ago, W. Niederhut said:

A review of Patriot Purge in the The Atlantic today...

Tucker Carlson Is Stirring Up Hatred of America
www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/11/patriot-purge-tucker-carlson-documentary/620589/

November 3, 2021

Excerpt


      ..."To comprehend the full scope of the conspiracy, viewers will have to watch all three episodes. But even in the first episode, the goals of this project are already clear. The point is to describe the events of January 6 as a false-flag operation cooked up inside the deepest layers of the American deep state—and thus to cast doubt on everything that will come out of Congress’s January 6 hearings, everything revealed by every Washington Post or network-television investigation, everything turned up by the FBI. For Fox viewers, this will come as an enormous relief. If all the disturbing facts can be ignored, then no lessons need be learned. Republicans in Congress and the Trump White House need never be blamed for their assault on the Constitution. The people who supported them need never question that support."

 

1984?

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From the WaPo report on 1.6:

"About 1:30 p.m., Capt. Carneysha Mendoza, a 19-year veteran of the Capitol Police, was at home in suburban Maryland. She had just pulled meatloaf from the oven and sat down with her 10-year-old son, Christian, before he was to spend the rest of the day with babysitters. The commander for a Capitol Police civil disturbance unit, Mendoza was about to head into work for her shift in the Capitol starting at 3 p.m."

Really.

On the afternoon of 1.6, the commander of Capitol Police civil disturbance unit was at home making meatloaf.  In suburban Maryland. Planned to go into work at 3 pm. 

Reminder: The 3,600-officer Capitol Police department reports to the legislative Donk-controlled branch, not to the executive branch. 

Vince Palamara has reported here recently that rooftops were guarded in many cities JFK visited...but not Dallas. Some take that as a sign protection was limited in Dallas, by design. 

When the commander at the Capitol Police department civil disturbance unit is home cooking on 1.6....what to take away from that? 

 

About 1:30 p.murban Maryland. She had just pulled meatloaf from the oven and sat down with her 10-year-old son, Christian, before he was to spend the rest of the day with babysitters. The commander for a Capitol Police civil disturbance unit, Mendoza was about to head into work for her shift in the Capitol starting at 3 p.m.

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2 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said:

When the commander at the Capitol Police department civil disturbance unit is home cooking on 1.6....what to take away from that? 

Ben, I would take it to mean that she was working the 3pm to ? shift.  You do realize none of the police were on a 24 hour shift don't you?

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What would a 21st Century American Civil War look like?

By Lucian K. Truscott IV October 13, 2021

https://luciantruscott.substack.com/p/what-would-a-21st-century-american?token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjo1MDcyNDUyOSwicG9zdF9pZCI6NDI1NjE0OTIsIl8iOiJJRkxtRCIsImlhdCI6MTYzNDIxNDgxOSwiZXhwIjoxNjM0MjE4NDE5LCJpc3MiOiJwdWItMjU1MzAxIiwic3ViIjoicG9zdC1yZWFjdGlvbiJ9.EIDzo_4dUMbMw8ZzzzLvCI-DAhQ74C7Pp3Ir5Lw3E64&utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark

I don’t think anyone in this country is prepared for the destruction and lack of conventional modern amenities that accompanies war.  Deliveries of every sort of goods from food to major appliances to clothing to…well, everything will be disrupted.  Electricity will be absent or at best intermittent as one side attempts to damage the other by taking out generating plants and power distribution infrastructure.”

Meanwhile, because refrigeration was not reliable, food shopping had to be done daily, and if fighting interrupted deliveries of fresh vegetables or canned foods to markets, there wasn’t any food, sometimes for days, even weeks.”

A civil war can be relied upon to maintain one thriving market:  the sale of weapons and ammunition of all kinds will be rampant.  Smuggling from outside the country will bring in all manner of heavy weapons and other materiel.  If there is a war, there is one predominate need, and that is for weapons with which to destroy and kill. They will be everywhere.”

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Steve Thomas

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