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Good piece Ty, 

I think we have a number of right leaning foreigners  discovering inequities to their sensibilities of the American media for the first time, and  we're supposed to field every consideration. So I'm going to respond in kind and then try to give some context to this Waukeska thing.

Well, Darrell Brooks is a story I'll address but on a National ,really world scale story. Fox has been running pieces for 2 years equivocating the Epstien story with Clinton. Now in this  Ghislaine Maxwell trial  a pilot testifies both Clinton and Trump have ridden in  Epstien's plane. It is covered in CNN with Clinton's name first but now that Trump is involved, the story was ignored on Fox.

 

That's interesting the exchange between W. and Jake. We now have Brits starting to warm up to the idea that a 17 year old has the right to enter a riot with an AR- 15!  We'll win you over eventually!

Jake:I haven't seen a single comment, not one comment about the Waukesha attack.

Oh not one comment Jake? Well I suppose that is a pretty natural response from a Brit as they are quite understandably curious and attracted to the U.S. gun craziness as flies are to sh-t.   Is this thread now going to be the foreigner go to thread to get a salacious peak into how some Americans view the diseased American mind.?  So Jake, you have  a great disappointment that we don't comment on every crazy killing that goes on in the country?

Oh weren't you leaving this thread?  heh heh heh Oh come on , how could an avowed  Brit Conservative possibly turn away!  I haven't seen it yet. And that's fine. I don't think the American experience has looked more like an experiment since the 60's.

Sorry, we generally aim to please.  I guess the best way we can spin it to a Conservative Brit  is that here in America, we  love our "freedom" and "liberties." Is everything OK now?

i thought the Saager segment that Ben submitted was interesting, What I previously  heard about the Waukesha assailant was that he had a history of mental illness, drug addiction and crime (as Saager said," loser"--ok) .And he had a bad spat recently with his GF or wife,  and actually ran her over with a car! Which Saager omitted!

Saager thinks his reporting is  a bit more profound than I do. There have been other incidents where it is true. The media makes a decision whether they go with "was he crazy" or "was he a racist". It's not as a easy as it may appear to a foreigner. Just so i won't sound callous. It's happened again today  in Michigan with a student shooting classmates.

I'm sure in other countries there would and should be massive coverage including everything a mentally ill person might read or post on social media. . But it's a decision made in the U.S. because it's more commonplace and there's only so much time in a broadcast.

But isn't there an obsession with MSM?  As Saager himself  said, anybody can find this information now.

 

 

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We Remember a United States That Fought the Nazis’: A German Scholar of Fascism Weighs in on Christian Nationalism in the U.S.

Is America slouching towards Christian fascism?”

https://religiondispatches.org/a-german-scholar-of-fascism-weighs-in-on-christian-nationalism-in-the-united-states/

That rhetoric was particularly virulent in the lead up to, and on, January 6th. On their march to the Capitol that day, the crowd hailed the Proud Boys as “God’s Warriors.”

 

Just the other day, Mike Flynn was calling for there to be only one religion in the United States.

When you believe that "God is on your side", it gives you license to do anything.

 

Steve Thomas

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32 minutes ago, Chuck Schwartz said:

Ben, the federal infiltrators should be prosecuted, also.

Yes...but first we need to know who they were.

I gather the 1/6 committee is entirely uninterested in finding out why there was such thin police presence on 1/6, and why even that presence stood down, and how many federal assets were in the scrum. 

I do not trust the Trumpers...or the Deep State. But the Deep State has 10,000 the resources, that the Trumpers did or do. 

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7 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:

We Remember a United States That Fought the Nazis’: A German Scholar of Fascism Weighs in on Christian Nationalism in the U.S.

Is America slouching towards Christian fascism?”

https://religiondispatches.org/a-german-scholar-of-fascism-weighs-in-on-christian-nationalism-in-the-united-states/

That rhetoric was particularly virulent in the lead up to, and on, January 6th. On their march to the Capitol that day, the crowd hailed the Proud Boys as “God’s Warriors.”

 

Just the other day, Mike Flynn was calling for there to be only one religion in the United States.

When you believe that "God is on your side", it gives you license to do anything.

 

Steve Thomas

Good article Steve. Btw this is central to Albarelli’s thesis. General Walker and his ilk were certainly fascist Christians. And he is not by any means the first author to point out the strong fascist  underpinnings of our National Security State. Dallas was a hotbed of this point of view. 
 

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4 hours ago, Chuck Schwartz said:

Ben, the federal infiltrators should be prosecuted, also.

They should be near if not at the top of the list.  The Italian's got it right with Mussolini.  After what he'd done what happened was approved by the populace.

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In new interview, Trump was asked if he regretted J6. He said the “real insurrection” was on Election Day and J6 was just a protest, that nobody gives him credit for drawing so many people to hear him speak that day, and “the other side had some very bad things happen.”

 

The other side?

What other side?

Damn! I missed all those other pro-democracy people rioting at the Supreme Court Building and the White House.

I need to pay more attention!

Steve Thomas

 

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17 minutes ago, Matt Allison said:

Yep.  And the Orange Psychopath is already frantically trying to deny and distort the facts in this damning story, as he has done in the cases of all of his many crimes and scandals through the years.

Mark Meadows has a bizarre response when Trump calls the story about his early COVID diagnosis 'fake news'

https://www.rawstory.com/mark-meadows-trump/

 

 

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Trump may be an orange-headed psychopath.

He also has about 1/10,000th the influence that the globalist security state has to stage events, control US foreign-military policy and manipulate the M$M. 

LBJ-Nixon prosecuted counterproductive wars that cost millions of lives and trillions of dollars.

Bush jr.-Obama prosecuted counterproductive wars that cost millions of lives and cost trillions of dollars. 

Trump? Also monstrous in that he droned a couple thousand to death in lost causes. But in comparison to LBJ-Nixon-Bush jr-Obama?  

Are people obsessed with Trump...as they have been trained by the M$M to be obsessed with Trump? 

Oddity time: Why did Trump slap tariffs on Chinese imports?

Why was Obama-Clinton so cozy with Beijing...but not Trump? 

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Monday:Ben: Surely, you are aware when it comes to clandestine, subversive resources, and control over M$M narratives, the national-security-state has 10,000 times the power of the Trump crowd? 
 
Wednesday: BenAs I say, the Deep State has about 10,000 times the resources of the Trumpers to control M$M narratives and work behind the scenes to create PR stunts, such as a 1/6.
 
Yesterday: Ben: do not trust the Trumpers...or the Deep State. But the Deep State has 10,000 the resources, that the Trumpers did or do.
 
And Now: Ben He also has about 1/10,000th the influence that the globalist security state has to stage events, control US foreign-military policy and manipulate the M$M. 
 
 
Ben I see your "a figures" guy. You've now written this 10,000 figure 4 times over the last 4 days. Are you aware how repetitive your writing is?"   Have you ever thought of clicking on your picture and reading the journal of what you wrote the day before?    
 
I don't mean to just isolate your statement here Ben, because I do think it typifies what a lot people think here, and there's no doubt who has the funds. I don't mean to be so revolutionary but over and over I find other people backing into statements that I think of as long held mythology but doesn't apply at all to the current situation..
 
Ben: And control over M$M narratives, the national-security-state has 10,000 times the power of the Trump crowd?  
 
10,000??   You sure it's not 9,9996? Ok, they can  effect MSM narratives but that's about it.And so what? Do people really pay much attention to the "msm narrative" anymore? Fewer and fewer people get their news from the msm."Spooky " sells big among a few here, but I'm more into concrete events and whose doing the damage here?.
 
Can the NSS, in 2021 make people gather at Dealey Plaza waiting for JFK or JFK jr to show up? 
 
 
I'll turn it around on you Ben, do you really think the NSS is capable of designing a  PSYOP  to enslave a mass of people to make them as absolutely debilitatingly wacko as the present Trump constituency?
 
-Does the NSS really have the influence, or the imagination to make millions of people believe that Democrats are a group of pedophiles and baby eaters operating out of a pizzery in New York City?
 
-Could the NSS right now perpetuate a group like Q Anon? Have you taken any stock in the world you're currently living? This is a recurring problem that there are people here that are so focused on fears from things that happened long  ago that they swear are still happening now, that they can't see what's currently going on all around them. Certainly no one can accuse you of being a current events sleuth Ben.Whose doing the damage here?
 
 
-Do you really think the NSS, has the ability to influence numbers of people on near the scale of the right wing groups that are popping up on the Internet almost daily?
 
-Again, Whose doing the damage here?? Does the NSS have the imagination to make a third of the American electorate believe that the 2020 election was a hoax?
 
-Lastly if the NSS wanted to undermine a foreign enemy. Do you think they could actually pull off installing a puppet who eventually when a pandemic came, first propagated that the pandemic was a hoax, discouraged people from undertaking the most basic precautions, ignoring scientists, resulting in the deaths of 100's of 1000s of people, and further destabilizing the country he leads?  He ends up contracting it himself, and spreading it to a number of people, and yet his dictatorial grip is still powerful and he controls one of the 2 major American parties? Could the present day NSS have pulled off anything near  this? Of course not, show me any thing near approximating this anywhere!
 
Does the NSS really effect millions of common people or do they just glom on to writers who already share their pro defense point of view and offer talking points to use them for articles that are really read by a fewer and fewer and fewer number of people who are regarded as "academics" or the "intelligentsia."! Are they really the "influencers" they were 60 years ago? I know there's more media influence than just that. But how effective is it really? I think most of us can agree that most of the CIA is not pro Trump, so maybe we can agree, they're not behind that movement. But you don't think they would if they could? The truth is they can't.
 
Besides, When you factor everything in, you can argue that in reaction to the perceived manipulation  of the msm message , there has emerged a counter force of contrarianism. It ranges from a healthy  questioning of norms, to adolescent stupidity, and groups of people who won't believe anything they say, even with stuff that reasonable people don't dispute.
I'm more into the present day reality than speculations out of fears.Ben I haven't seen that you have a clue of what's really going on in the states. As you say Ben, " Case Closed."
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20 minutes ago, Benjamin Cole said:

Trump may be an orange-headed psychopath.

He also has about 1/10,000th the influence that the globalist security state has to stage events, control US foreign-military policy and manipulate the M$M. 

LBJ-Nixon prosecuted counterproductive wars that cost millions of lives and trillions of dollars.

Bush jr.-Obama prosecuted counterproductive wars that cost millions of lives and cost trillions of dollars. 

Trump? Also monstrous in that he droned a couple thousand to death in lost causes. But in comparison to LBJ-Nixon-Bush jr-Obama?  

Are people obsessed with Trump...as they have been trained by the M$M to be obsessed with Trump? 

Oddity time: Why did Trump slap tariffs on Chinese imports?

Why was Obama-Clinton so cozy with Beijing...but not Trump? 

Ben - let’s separate something out. Trump is the worst kind of xxxx, braggart, sociopath, racist. Can we agree? I hope so. 
Bush the 2nd was devastating. We are still suffering from his War. Obama in the same breath? Come on. Trump - way better on that level. National Security State? Not monolithic - factional. Black and white comparisons are oversimplifications. All presidents vetted? Yeah. The national security state exists to serve Empire, then and now. China policy, foreign policy in general barely changes between administrations. But there are vast differences between the two parties, especially on domestic issues. And one of those parties is ruled by Orange headed psychopath. In a heartbeat I prefer the other party, knowing full well that they are corrupted by money and power. You? The Supreme Court would be a better one had Obama gotten to pick another justice. Agree? Can you distinguish between levels of corruption, factions of empire? False equivalencies, backed up by elements of truth that ultimately do not prove your point. In my opinion. 

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1 hour ago, Paul Brancato said:

Ben - let’s separate something out. Trump is the worst kind of xxxx, braggart, sociopath, racist. Can we agree? I hope so. 
Bush the 2nd was devastating. We are still suffering from his War. Obama in the same breath? Come on. Trump - way better on that level. National Security State? Not monolithic - factional. Black and white comparisons are oversimplifications. All presidents vetted? Yeah. The national security state exists to serve Empire, then and now. China policy, foreign policy in general barely changes between administrations. But there are vast differences between the two parties, especially on domestic issues. And one of those parties is ruled by Orange headed psychopath. In a heartbeat I prefer the other party, knowing full well that they are corrupted by money and power. You? The Supreme Court would be a better one had Obama gotten to pick another justice. Agree? Can you distinguish between levels of corruption, factions of empire? False equivalencies, backed up by elements of truth that ultimately do not prove your point. In my opinion. 

Paul-

Thank you for your points of view, and I respect them.

No, we do not agree on much, but you are correct there are some nuances in both your views and mine. 

Sure, the Donks have been different on a few domestic policy issues from the 'Phants...certainly for public consumption. In real life? Maybe a few issues, but both parties have been evolving. 

It pains me to say it, but Trump's economic policies were actually better for the American employee class than the Donks. The Donks are totally in bed with globalism.

But open borders for trade and immigration---what does that mean for America's employee class? The 'Phants used to be the globalists, but with the apparition of Trump, they have actually moved to a better position (IMHO). 

Remember, the most ardent immigrationists in US history were...the slavers. Upper classes always want more immigration, and usually for the worst reasons. 

Of late, the Donk public proclamations seem intended to create divisions among people, by gender, race and ethnicity. Advantage: Ruling classes. Marxist analysis is relevant here (I am not a Marxist, but every viewpoint has strengths)

There is less then zero class consciousness in the modern Donk Party, save for a few old warhorses like Bernie Sanders. 

I disagree with you on China policy. Trump, for whatever reasons, placed tariffs and enraged the most powerful commercial combinations in history, that of global manufacturing enterprises and China factory platforms, offered by the CCP. 

The biggest business combinations in history----the Apples, the BlackRocks, the GMs, the WalMarts, Disney et al, want good relations and trade with the CCP, not bad. 

Trump's China policy, which I think is the right policy and should go further, was a break from the globalist Clinton-Obama approach. A real policy difference, and one I agree with. 

So...no, I am not enamored of the Donks or the 'Phants. Nor Trump the person, though his foreign-trade-military policies, on balance, were better than Obama's. 

I hope the modern 'Phant party can eschew the worst elements, and migrate towards a true populist party, with the interests of the employee-middle class foremost. Non-interventionist foreign policies, and pro-American trade policies.  A feeble hope, but a hope. 

Strange as it seems, the national security state is now aligned with the Hillary Clinton-Liz Cheney-M$M globalist axis.  Where are the Donks of yesteryear, the the JFKs, the George McGoverns? 

Well, those are my views. I welcome your views, and those from people across the political spectrum. I ain't seen yet the guy or tribe with a monopoly on wisdom. 

 

 

 

 

 

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