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4 hours ago, Kirk Gallaway said:

Ty, I'm surprised you bring this up. You don't remember all the unpleasant things Trump would say "on mic" to reporters faces, calling them "fake news." "nasty" , "terrible reporters" "third rate reporters". I thought Trump supporters celebrated  insulting reporters  but I give you credit that you weren't in that group, but you obviously haven't seen that Trump is the most insulting of all Presidents we've ever had and that was with fair questions and not  unknowingly with a "hot mic".

Here is an exchange in the Spring of 2020, in a  period of great uncertainty at the beginning of the covid  pandemic when a reporter asks.

Alexander asked, "What do you say to Americans who are scared?"Trump, shaking his head, ripped into Alexander in response.
Trump:"I say that you are a terrible reporter," Trump replied. "That's what I say."

The President proceeded to launch into an extended rant against Alexander, saying he asked a "nasty question" and assailing NBC and its parent company, Comcast."You're doing sensationalism," Trump charged. "And the same with NBC and Comcast. I don't call it Comcast. I call it 'Con-Cast.'""Let me just tell you something," Trump added. "That's really bad reporting. And you ought to get back to reporting instead of sensationalism."

This was a softball question that any true leader would have seized upon to reassure the public that "it's going to be tough but we're going to pull through". But Trump didn't have it in him. We can talk just about his civility, but almost 2  years later and probably million American lives lost by the end of this , 20 times the number of people lost in the Viet Nam War, this was a great tragedy, that could have lost him the election.

And Fox News reinforced it, and  was complicit with these insults which now make them look so hypocritical.

The question itself was obvious and made to embarrass, but within the arc of testy questions reporters ask Presidents.

More examples of Trump's treatment of reporters, of less testy questions..

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-lashes-out-at-reporters-during-coronavirus-press-briefings-2020-4

Kirk,

I only broached the subject as I was not seeing the same outrage from the group here towards a D president when he made a tasteless comment.  

Biden claims to be a "great uniter" but his comments tell me otherwise. 

I had the assumption (most likely incorrect) that folks had problems with these types of comments coming from our "leaders" no matter their political affiliation, but it appears that concerns over decorum are only valid against a politician from the other side. 

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9 minutes ago, Ty Carpenter said:

I only broached the subject as I was not seeing the same outrage from the group here towards a D president when he made a tasteless comment.  

Ty, there is a die hard contingent of pro-corporate Democrats on this forum that will simply never concede anything when it comes to "left vs. right" political analysis. It's not worth your time here for that type of thing, in my opinion anyway. There is also great researchers who post some great stuff here.

People who still believe in the Democratic party have thoroughly failed to guard against the obvious manipulation of their party's main political goals, which is indistinguishable from the World Economic Fourm (aka central banking cartel). The party alignments have done a partial flop. Some Republican states are now the ones passing extended unemployment bills and attempting to keep jobs and businesses open while the "left" denies medical treatment to Americans who didn't receive an untested gene therapy injection from criminal corporations (not looking to debate this, I am well aware of the official corporate narrative). They are completely walking all over the Constitution and are apparently not even aware it exists.  In a poll, Democrats believe on average 50% of covid cases end up in the hospital. They believe 99% of everyone in the hospital are unvaccinated. They are literally living in an alternate reality of fear and rushing to give away liberties earned by centuries of sacrifice. In MA, the "official" CDC data lists over 50% of hospitalized cases as fully vaccinated and they do not count people who had their last injection within 14 days. They also tell you in the fine print that the vaccinated cases/hospitalizations/deaths are undercounted due to data aggregation issues. So in reality, well over 50% of people in the hospital for covid are vaccinated, yet these Democrats continue to push for discrimination via passports for restaurants. If you mention that maybe we should use passports to vote, they will start crying and try to tell you that you don't care about people. Complete insanity. If anyone wants to say this is irrelevant to the above Biden discussion, remember this. Biden has barely been president for 1 year and by far the number one thing he has focused on is vaccinating everyone, just like most world "leaders". If you believe him, you have already received three injections in a single year and are immune to nothing other than supporting convicted criminal companies like Pfizer and J&J. You also support censorship with White House/intelligence agency coordination and probably will say things like "private companies can do what they want" ignorantly. That is not the Democratic party of JFK/MLK as far as I'm concerned. Not all Republicans are created equal either though, Charlie Baker is a disgrace.

 

It was great to see Len had Dave Ratcliffe on Black Op Radio recently and he laid it all out for his audience, much like Rogan has done for his.

 

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On 1/25/2022 at 3:01 PM, W. Niederhut said:

Ty,

     C'mon, man... common ground?  With Trump supporters who have been chanting, "Let's go, Brandon!" (i.e., "F*** Joe Biden!") all year?  When did you guys finally start deploring profanity?

      Common ground with guys who have been making death threats to U.S. election officials, refusing to acknowledge that Biden won the 2020 election, or that Trump incited a violent attack on the U.S. Congress to block the certification of Biden's election?

      What sort of "common ground" do you have in mind?  I'm all ears.

      As for Biden privately referring to the Fox News gadfly, Peter Doocy, as a "stupid son-of-a-bitch" (on an accidentally open mic) were you similarly outraged when Trump said, "Get that son-of-a-bitch off the field!" when he saw Civil Rights protester Colin Kaepernick kneeling on an NFL sideline?   Remember that comment?

      Which was the more egregious Presidential comment, in your opinion-- a POTUS privately cursing about a sleazy Fox News propagandist, or a POTUS public cursing about a conscientious Civil Rights protester?

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Ty,

     I asked you some questions yesterday, (above) in response to your comments about Biden and Peter Doocy. 

     How about answering them?

     In particular, can we find common ground-- for example, on basic issues like respecting the Constitution and the rule of law in the U.S.?  Acknowledging the fact that Biden was lawfully elected to the Presidency and that Trump conspired to obstruct the certification of the election?

     Surely, reasonable people can agree about the fundamental importance of respect for the rule of law.

     Also, which was the more egregious Presidential SOB gaffe, in your opinion-- Biden calling a disingenuous reporter a son-of-a-bitch, or Trump calling a conscientious Civil Rights protester a son-of-a-bitch?

     Thanks in advance for answering my questions.

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Speaking of Post-Truth politics, folks...  Geez... It has infected the Education Forum in recent months... 😬

In response, is it "uncivil" of me to post some true facts?

Regarding Dennis Berube's bizarre anti-vax/anti-Biden diatribe above, I urge people to carefully study the 2021 CDC data  on COVID hospitalization and death rates by vaccination status.  (For some reason, I can't copy-and-paste the CDC charts.)

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#covidnet-hospitalizations-vaccination

2021 hospitalization and death rates in the U.S. were dramatically reduced by vaccines! 

2021 COVID morbidity and mortality was strongly associated with being un-vaccinated.

 

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Opinion: The midterms could be a bloodbath for Democrats. And there may be little that candidates can do about it.---WaPo

By Henry Olsen

Columnist|Follow

Yesterday at 4:50 p.m. EST

Democrats are right to be concerned that the upcoming midterm elections could be a disaster. A close look at the data from 2021 elections in Virginia and New Jersey suggest it could become a bloodbath — and there’s likely little individual candidates can do to avoid it."

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Well, they say to measure political seasons in dog years, so a long time to November. Anything could happen. 

But this is interesting. My guess is the 1/6 committee will be terminated...then what? 

Is a Biden impeachment possible? 

Would a 'Phant Congress want to examine, or rather weaponize, the national security state? 

 

 

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On 1/25/2022 at 5:01 PM, W. Niederhut said:

Ty,

     C'mon, man... common ground?  With Trump supporters who have been chanting, "Let's go, Brandon!" (i.e., "F*** Joe Biden!") all year?  When did you guys finally start deploring profanity? It's not so much that I have anything against profanity, I work in the construction business and F bombs fly around all day. What I have a problem with is the hypocrisy of Biden to claim he is a great uniter and that he will fire anyone that is disrespectful towards others, and then proceeds to insult and be disrespectful towards Doocy. 

      Common ground with guys who have been making death threats to U.S. election officials, refusing to acknowledge that Biden won the 2020 election, or that Trump incited a violent attack on the U.S. Congress to block the certification of Biden's election? I have not called for the deaths of anyone or refused to believe that Biden is president. I definitely think there were issues with fraud in the election, but fighting it is a losing cause. When I speak of common ground, I was thinking more about a discussion here. We are a community of people who share a common interest. Surely we could muster the courage to have a reasonable discussion of what we may be willing to compromise on to improve the current situation in our country.

      What sort of "common ground" do you have in mind?  I'm all ears. From my conservative standpoint, I am willing to consider relaxing my views on a few things if you would be willing to make concessions on some of my main priorities.

My main concerns are gun rights, economic policy, education, and the healthcare system. I am not willing to make any compromise on gun rights, as I feel all gun laws are a violation of my natural rights. On economic, educational, and healthcare policy, I think we could work together to get to a point where we could actually improve the situation. Of course you and I discussing this won't make any real change, but it may be a worthwhile exercise.

What are several issues important to you that you feel two reasonable individuals could have a discussion on and perhaps find consensus?

      As for Biden privately referring to the Fox News gadfly, Peter Doocy, as a "stupid son-of-a-bitch" (on an accidentally open mic) were you similarly outraged when Trump said, "Get that son-of-a-bitch off the field!" when he saw Civil Rights protester Colin Kaepernick kneeling on an NFL sideline?   Remember that comment? I have no problem with Kap protesting. I despise his method, but I guess he has the right to do so. My problem with him is that he is a communist or at least a misguided idiot who wears a Che shirt.

      Which was the more egregious Presidential comment, in your opinion-- a POTUS privately cursing about a sleazy Fox News propagandist, or a POTUS public cursing about a conscientious Civil Rights protester? While I don't condone either of them, I would have to say I have a strong disdain for hypocrisy. 

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14 hours ago, W. Niederhut said:

Ty,

     I asked you some questions yesterday, (above) in response to your comments about Biden and Peter Doocy. 

     How about answering them?

     In particular, can we find common ground-- for example, on basic issues like respecting the Constitution and the rule of law in the U.S.?  Acknowledging the fact that Biden was lawfully elected to the Presidency and that Trump conspired to obstruct the certification of the election?

     Surely, reasonable people can agree about the fundamental importance of respect for the rule of law.

     Also, which was the more egregious Presidential SOB gaffe, in your opinion-- Biden calling a disingenuous reporter a son-of-a-bitch, or Trump calling a conscientious Civil Rights protester a son-of-a-bitch?

     Thanks in advance for answering my questions.

I didn't answer your questions yesterday for the reasons Dennis put forth in his post yesterday. While I hold the hope that we can have a reasonable discussion, it most likely is an exercise in futility.

Regarding the constitution, have you read Lysander Spooner's No Treason, specifically number 1?

If not, here is a link to it:

https://mises.org/library/no-treason-no-1

Here is a passage from No Treason which perfectly shows what has happened to us today:

"It is not improbable that many or most of the worst of governments — although established by force, and by a few, in the first place — come, in time, to be supported by a majority. But if they do, this majority is composed in large part of the most ignorant, superstitious, timid, dependent, servile, and corrupt portions of the people; of those who have been overawed by the power, intelligence, wealth, and arrogance; of those who have been deceived by the frauds; and of those who have been corrupted by the inducements of the few who really constitute the government."

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The 59 Republicans Who Joined Electoral Voter Fraud Scheme For Trump Could Face Prison

What seemed like political theater at the time actually violated state and federal fraud laws, according to current and former prosecutors.

By  S.V. Date 01/27/2022

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/fake-electors-prison-capitol-riot-2020-election_n_61f1c3e3e4b02de5f513fa73

“Georgia Republican Party Chairman David Shafer, though, said he and the other 15 Georgians who sent electoral votes for Trump did so only to make sure Trump could continue pushing a lawsuit alleging vote fraud.

“There’s been no credible suggestion that there’s anything wrong,” he told HuffPost. “We made it very clear what we were doing. We did it right out in the open.”

But Georgia’s would-be GOP electors chose not to include language clarifying that they would actually only be the “duly elected and qualified” electors in the event that a court challenge or other proceeding reversed the outcome there ― the approach taken by Trump slates in two other states.

According to Shafer, it was Trump’s lawyers in Georgia who told him and his group that any changes to the language they had provided would endanger Trump’s legal challenge in state court alleging fraud and other election “irregularities.”

“We were told not to alter the form,” he said, but pointed to an accompanying statement on Dec. 14, 2020, the date of the Electoral College vote, that explained that the GOP slate was being sent to Congress and the National Archives only to “preserve [Trump’s] rights under Georgia law.”

Glenn Kirschner, a former federal prosecutor, said the potential federal crimes include forgery, obstruction of an official proceeding, conspiracy to commit fraud and, because the material was sent to its recipients via the Postal Service, mail fraud.”

Stephen Miller dodges questions about his role in Trump’s fake electors scheme: report

by Bob Brigham January 27, 2022

https://www.rawstory.com/stephen-miller-dodges-questions-about-his-role-in-trumps-fake-electors-scheme-report/

“On Dec. 14, 2020, Stephen Miller suggested he was aware of the scheme during an appearance on Fox News.

“As we speak, an alternate slate of electors in the contested states is going to vote, and we are going to send those results to Congress,” Miller, then a senior White House advisor, told Fox News.”

“Miller's comments where controversial at the time they were made. That evening, his comments were ridiculed by The Daily Show host Trevor Noah.

"Damn, that's extreme man," Noah said. "I mean, why stop there? Why not just send those alternate electors to an alternate Congress and then have them upheld by an alternate Supreme Court and then he can become president of an alternate country."”

I wonder who the "We" is...

Steve Thomas

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Ty,

I'm responding to your comments in blue (below.)

I didn't answer your questions yesterday for the reasons Dennis put forth in his post yesterday. While I hold the hope that we can have a reasonable discussion, it most likely is an exercise in futility.

Reason, and a focus on true facts, have always been my strong suits.  As I said originally, I'm all ears.  You mentioned "common ground," which I earnestly seek with Trump fans as well. 

Can we begin by finding common ground regarding respect for the U.S. Constitution and the rule of law, including the lawful observance of our election procedures?

And, with regard to the 2020 election, there has been no evidence of electoral fraud in 2020, other than that committed by Trump and his minions-- Giuliani, Powell, and Trump's false electors.  Multiple lawsuits were filed by Trump's lawyers, who pushed his Big Lie, but they were all debunked and dismissed in court.  Trump, Giuliani, Powell, et.al., had nothing.  They were trying to steal an election that they lost by a substantial margin.

Trump, then, incited a violent attack on the U.S. Congress for the purpose of obstructing the certification of Biden's election-- certainly, one of the most serious Presidential crimes in American history.

Yet, Trump fans today are still largely in denial of Trump's crimes against the United States.

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1 hour ago, Ty Carpenter said:

I didn't answer your questions yesterday for the reasons Dennis put forth in his post yesterday. While I hold the hope that we can have a reasonable discussion, it most likely is an exercise in futility.

Regarding the constitution, have you read Lysander Spooner's No Treason, specifically number 1?

If not, here is a link to it:

https://mises.org/library/no-treason-no-1

Here is a passage from No Treason which perfectly shows what has happened to us today:

"It is not improbable that many or most of the worst of governments — although established by force, and by a few, in the first place — come, in time, to be supported by a majority. But if they do, this majority is composed in large part of the most ignorant, superstitious, timid, dependent, servile, and corrupt portions of the people; of those who have been overawed by the power, intelligence, wealth, and arrogance; of those who have been deceived by the frauds; and of those who have been corrupted by the inducements of the few who really constitute the government."


Ty, I wouldn't waste your time with William, he'll only answer things that he thinks he has answers to, the rest he'll ignore. He'll demand you answer his questions though, in an entitled way. He is so conflicted and hypocritical in his views. He believes the CIA's "Operation Mockingbird" still lives on but, regularly quotes mainstream media as long as it supports his view, even outlets that have been outed as CIA fronts. He believes there can be a government conspiracy regarding JFK and 9/11, but, no others can exist, unless the Republican's are responsible. He'll believe in a 'deep state' or 'power elite' as long as the guys sit on the red side. I don't know where you go with people that think that way, it's very tribal and counter productive. 

What it really amounts to is this phenomena of mass psychosis that Jung, Nietzsche, Dostoevsky, Meerloo, recently Desmet and others sometimes called a sickness of the minds. It's happened periodically throughout history, with the persecution of witches in the 16th and 17th centuries being the most notable. A constant supply of fear and propaganda paralyses a person's critical thinking skills and ability to logic. It puts the minds of those under this psychosis into a regressed state, a primeval one, an instinctive condition brought on by fear or a perceived threat. If the conditions are right, this mentality can be induced in society, as it has been throughout history, notable in genocides. We wonder how people so educated and learned can do such unthinkable things to fellow man, well, it's easy if you are in this state. During this pandemic we have seen people slip into this, family members, friends, colleagues etc. No matter what evidence is presented to them, they just won't talk about it, they just can't hear you, or they explode with anger. After the death of god (decline in faith) which Nietzsche pointed out, people would have a spiritual void, they'd instantly look to politicians and government as the great father figures, ie replacing god and filling their spiritual void with something else. We've all seen crowds at Democrat or Republican rallies, the people look like they are under a spell or a hypnosis, eyes glazed over, they just cheer whatever the leader says. It was no different at the Third Reich's rallies. The MSM serves up this constant supply of fear, using waves of terror, which keep people in this mass psychosis. This was so apparent during the pandemic, the sheer level of fear and terror induced by propaganda made people with all of the education and knowledge of the ancient Greeks, suddenly behave in a primeval way. Look at the way the people who haven't had this experimental treatment have been attacked, akin to the way the Jewish people were accused of having Typhus in Poland during WW2. A society was willing to segregate their fellow humans, confiscate their wealth, make them wear badges, put them in ghettos, labour camps, experiment on them and kill them. We look back to the witches, where educated people were willing to drown women on a ducking stool, if they survived they were guilty, if they drowned they were innocent. These were women who had a little bit more education than most women. Once you start dehumanising a minority of society, you set in motion the conditions for this. So, when William calls anyone an anti-vaxxer or like someone else on here called those choosing not to have the experimental treatment as filthy rats, you set in motion the conditions for a catastrophe. It really highlights the psychosis, that Democrats (in this case) who are strongly against marginalising minorities, victimising them, and are pro equality for all, suddenly it's dressed in different clothes, they are willing to do all of the things that they are against. This isn't specific to the redundant terms of left and right, or Democrat and Republican, the whole of the human race are susceptible to it. I thought a lot about the way animals behave when exposed to fear, when they are cornered, they invariably do one of two things, they lash out unpredictably and attack, or they shake and cower in a corner, wishing for the intervention of rescue from a paternal or maternal figure. Have human beings behaved much differently during this pandemic? Not really. If you interpret this in online conduct, some have shrunk and cowered, like the animal wishing for its mother, and some have attacked vehemently. Which is why when anyone mentioned the word "Trump" on this forum (which is majority Democrats), they have to attack, it's like a reflex, it's instinctive. It's why William is willing to attack anyone here, he simply can't leave it alone. He is afraid, paranoid, and exhibiting all of the signs of someone in the mass psychosis. What he doesn't realise or can't see is that if everyone behaves as he does, it perpetuates the conflict, it doesn't pacify it, it makes it worse. 

If any of you study the way the British Empire conquered and controlled India, they used a very old tactic called 'divide and rule", where they were able to sort a massive population with varying faiths and cultural beliefs and pit them against each other. The net result was a bit like America now, there was a hatred and fear for perceived enemies, the British played the MSM role and whipped up emotions into a fever or sickness of the minds. This enabled the British to rule an enormous population with very few troops. The tactic enabled the enemy of the Indian people to hide in plain sight (the British), and exploit the country and its resources. They did this while Muslims and Hindu were seeing each other as the enemies. If you do subscribe to the idea that a "power elite" or "deep state" is moving an unseen hand to run American policy or much of the world, wouldn't this divide and rule strategy work rather well? I'd be perfect. Distraction of the masses has always been essential for oligarchs and plutocrats to rule. 

There are many that accept a ruling class has always existed and used their power and influence to impact policy and to shape presidential decisions; perhaps the guy we all like to talk about, JFK, was removed because the threat he was to the ruling class. Foreign policy was after all, a great mechanism to derive power and increase influence and wealth. If he also had his eyes on the oil cartel and the banking system, he was a huge threat to the "power elite." 

Some food for thought. 
 

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13 minutes ago, Chris Barnard said:

We wonder how people so educated and learned can do such unthinkable things to fellow man, well, it's easy if you are in this state. 
 

Chris,

This comment reminds me of a good Schopenhauer quote:

"If anyone spends almost the whole day in reading...he gradually loses the capacity for thinking...This is the case with many learned persons; they have read themselves stupid."

 

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