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‘Were we controlled?’ By Lincoln Lawrence, 1967

I bought this book back then and I believe I still have a copy in my library. It’s available on Amazon, but it’s a bit pricey to say the least. Lawrence’s  argument seems fanciful in some ways, but quite reasonable in others. A real curiosity, especially the introduction of Wall Street in the JFK assassination. Steve

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FYI - It was much easier to trade “away” from the market in those days. Everything was paper (no computers) and the rules were pretty lax. 
 

“Away” meant brokers and principals could move stock without having to report the amount and price to the Exchange. Big blocks might be traded but no one would see it happen.

that being said, there is a public US Govt list of all American Persons and companies that have made a claim against the Cuban government for the assets that were seized. It would be interesting to compare the companies on that list against unusual share price moves when JFK was assasinated. For example, Texaco lost a huge refinery to Castro. If someone thought killing JFK would get the refinery back, this “good news” might show up in the stock price.

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4 hours ago, Evan Marshall said:

Wondered if anyone ever checked to see if anyone made a lot of money on the stock market reacting to JFK's murder?

I think I have read something about such but don't remember where or who might have been involved.  Don't think I dreamed it, may have been a few years back though.

My first thought was Battling Wall Street but a quick scan of the TOC, a few pages and the index turned up nothing.

For some reason the thought of FW/D people come to mind, along the Byrd, Bell Helicopter, TFX investors maybe?  

Hard to see any major names tipping there hand, directly at least E.G. Rockefeller, McCloy, Dillon, more, if any possibly had some kind of foreknowledge.

Maybe I'll have a brain fart tomorrow and it will come to me. 

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Mr. Ecker, if I may interrupt, it should be noted that United States Army Brigadier General Paul Francis Gaynor, the Central Intelligence Agency's Chief of Security, actively identifies several key members of Brown And Root as being CIA assets, including the President of the company in 1963, George Rufus Brown!

Just check out the content of the attached links:

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2018/104-10116-10260.pdf

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2018/104-10117-10203.pdf

If Brown And Root had foreknowledge that President Kennedy was going to be murdered, I would start looking at Brig. Gen. Paul Francis Gaynor.

Incidentally, USAF Lt. Col. James Walter McCord Jr., "Operation 40" assassin David Sánchez Morales, COL. Sheffield Edwards, "Operation 40" comptroller Edwin Paul Wilson, and William B. Reily (the owner of the same Reily Coffee Company that employed Lee Harvey Oswald and QJ/WIN operative Jean-Pierre Lafitte AT THE SAME TIME) were all close friends to Brig. Gen. Paul Francis Gaynor.

Small world, eh?

 

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3 hours ago, Joe Bauer said:

What about Pepsi and all the other companies who made huge profits off of cheap labor Cuban sugar?

Donald Mcintosh "Don" Kendall, the CEO of Pepsi-Cola, was the first person President Richard Milhous Nixon reached out to for covert funding after he tasked CIA Director Richard McGarrah Helms to overthrow President Salvador Allende under the "Operation FUBELT-Track II" program.

Other businessmen Nixon involved were David Rockefeller, president of the Chase Manhattan Bank, Harold "Hal" Sydney Geneen, chief executive of the International Telephone and Telegraph Corporation and C. Jay Hutchinson, board chairman of Anaconda Copper Mining Company.

And both Nixon and Kendall were in Dallas the day President Kennedy was murdered.

Operation 40 assassin David Sánchez Morales, CIA's chief of operations for the Western hemisphere David Atlee Phillips, CIA  Deputy Director for Plans Thomas Hercules Karamessines, White House Chief of Staff Gen. Alexander Haig, CIA Station Chief in Santiago, Chile Henry D. Hecksher, and United States National Security Advisor Henry Alfred Kissinger were also in on the planning of President Salvador Allende's demise.

Incidentally, the above names all had something to do with anti-Castro state-sponsored terrorist operations in the months leading up to the assassination of President Kennedy. Including the above mentioned businessmen.

Look up the CIA cryptonym "ZRAWARD" and have fun.

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"Does this mean I have to sell my goddam Halliburton stock?" -- LBJ on the phone to his

tax lawyer, Waddy Bullion of Houston, at 1 p.m. November 22 in Parkland Hospital. He didn't.

He kept it, while Bullion supervised his "blind trust" (talking frequently with

LBJ on a phone in the Oval Office), and LBJ's fortune kept growing as he expanded the war, which greatly

benefited Halliburton. Halliburton also played a major role in bringing you the Iraq

War thanks to former CEO Dick Cheney.

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5 minutes ago, Joseph McBride said:

"Does this mean I have to sell my goddam Halliburton stock?" -- LBJ on the phone...

Well, they were all CIA assets: 

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2018/104-10116-10260.pdf

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2018/104-10117-10203.pdf

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Speaking of Bell Helicopter, Godfrey Anderson Rockefeller was the Chief Pilot for approximately 25 years, which spanned the JFK years.

Godfrey was a second cousin (once or twice removed) to the five Rockefeller brothers. Their common grandparent is William Avery Rockefeller Sr.

-William Avery Sr.

----John D Sr.

---------John D. Jr.

------------John D. 3rd, Nelson, David, Lawrence, Winthrop & Abigail

----William Avery Jr.

--------William Goodsell

------------Godfrey Stillman

----------------Godfrey Anderson

He also attended  Phillips Academy and Yale the same years as George HW Bush and they were apparently lifelong friends.

John D. Sr and his brother William Avery Jr. are the ones that built the Rockefeller empire. Something that I think is interesting is the formation of American Smelting and Refining Company (ASARCO).

ASARCO was an attempt by William Avery Jr. to create a "Smelting or Lead Trust", like the Standard Oil Trust, in the 1900 time frame.

The Rockefeller's teamed up with the Guggenheims, who had more expertise in Metals and Mining, and a tight grip on supply. It seems that the Rockefellers were the initial majority owners in ASARCO, but after some disagreements, the Rockefellers gave up majority control and management control (or maybe just management control) to the Guggenheims. (There are some Rothschilds in the Guggenheim Family Tree - FYI.)

ASARCO would remain the largest lead smelter in the world for the next 6 to 8 decades, and had operations all over the world (huge in Chile.)

It was sold to Grupo Mexico in 1999, went through Chapter 11 in 2005/2006 and is still around today. Interestingly, an environmental cleanup lawsuit in 2013/2014 went after the Rockefeller Foundation assets connected to ASARCO. This means that when John D. Sr. died in 1937, the Rockefellers still owned a sizable stake in ASARCO, even if it looked like mostly a Guggenheim Company.

ASARCO might be of interest to the JFK Assassination, under the "Israel did it for Nuclear Weapons" theory. 

One of ASARCO's early customers was the San Toy Mining Company.

San Toy had lead mines in Mexico and was a publicly traded company starting in the early 1900s. It was never a large company, but it did seem to make headlines pretty often in the 1905 to 1915 period. It was once at the center of a lawsuit that involved US Steel founder Charles M. Schwab, a Carnegie nephew and other big names of the day. San Toy would basically be a "Penny Stock", on the Pittsburgh Exchange, for the next 50 years after the lawsuits with Schwab, and issues with Pancho Villa.

In 1957/1958 San Toy's shares were bought by a syndicate of Investors, that included Zalman Shapiro. Two other companies were also purchased. They were Apollo Steel and American Nut & Bolt. Both were based in Pittsburgh and both had existed since the early part of the century, if not earlier.

Apollo and American Nut & Bolt were merged into San Toy, where San Toy was the surviving Company. (Surviving means, Apollo and Nut & Bolt common shares were exchanged for San Toy Shares. The Apollo and Nut & Bolt shares were cancelled and only the San Toy Shares remained publicly tradable (a standard merger & acquisition structure.) 

The New Owners of San Toy (a mix of the former owners of San Toy, Apollo Steel, and American Nut & Bolt and the Zalman Shapiro syndicate) changed the name to Apollo Industries.

Apollo Industries then put most of the Apollo Steel assets (the Apollo, Pennsylvania plant) into NUMEC, which had been set up by Zalman Shapiro at about the same time.  

NUMEC of course received the first commercial license to process Low Enriched Uranium into Highly Enriched Uranium (Weapons grade) and I'm sure most here know the rest of the "Apollo Affair" story.

What is interesting is San Toy, the ultimate predecessor of NUMEC. In the 1910's, San Toy was one of ASARCOs primary customers (and/or suppliers of lead ore.) In short, the San Toy Lead from its Mexican mines was smelted at the nearby ASARCO Smelting Factory. At some point between roughly 1915 and 1955, San Toy likely got out of actually mining for lead and just leased its mines. At the time of the merger of San Toy with Apollo Steel and American Nut & Bolt, its only assets were 4 lease contracts with ASARCO. 

This means that San Toy was under the economic control of ASARCO, which as noted above was a Rockefeller/Guggenheim venture.

More below (Part 5 goes into ASARCO. The other parts are mostly background.)

There is more to the NUMEC story that I don't think any researchers have looked at. After about 1960, the company bought at least two companies that had nothing to do with Uranium or Steel production. One was a Cigar Company. The other made Toll Equipment (I think like what you would find at a Toll Booth - gates, baskets, coin counters, etc.) These could be "money laundering" conduits.

 

 

 

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8 hours ago, Robert Montenegro said:

 

Mr. Ecker, if I may interrupt, it should be noted that United States Army Brigadier General Paul Francis Gaynor, the Central Intelligence Agency's Chief of Security, actively identifies several key members of Brown And Root as being CIA assets, including the President of the company in 1963, George Rufus Brown!

Just check out the content of the attached links:

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2018/104-10116-10260.pdf

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2018/104-10117-10203.pdf

If Brown And Root had foreknowledge that President Kennedy was going to be murdered, I would start looking at Brig. Gen. Paul Francis Gaynor.

Incidentally, USAF Lt. Col. James Walter McCord Jr., "Operation 40" assassin David Sánchez Morales, COL. Sheffield Edwards, "Operation 40" comptroller Edwin Paul Wilson, and William B. Reily (the owner of the same Reily Coffee Company that employed Lee Harvey Oswald and QJ/WIN operative Jean-Pierre Lafitte AT THE SAME TIME) were all close friends to Brig. Gen. Paul Francis Gaynor.

Small world, eh?

 

Robert, thanks for the info. There's a question, of course, as to whether or why the Brown and Root employees named as CIA assets would have any "need to know" beforehand about the assassination. Also, for the plotters, I would say that the less number of people with such a need to know the better.

 

 

 

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On 5/15/2020 at 12:36 AM, Joseph McBride said:

"Does this mean I have to sell my goddam Halliburton stock?" -- LBJ on the phone to his

tax lawyer, Waddy Bullion of Houston, at 1 p.m. November 22 in Parkland Hospital. He didn't.

He kept it, while Bullion supervised his "blind trust" (talking frequently with

LBJ on a phone in the Oval Office), and LBJ's fortune kept growing as he expanded the war, which greatly

benefited Halliburton. Halliburton also played a major role in bringing you the Iraq

War thanks to former CEO Dick Cheney.

That is just sickening about LBJ. 

Monstrous actually.

1:pm right inside the hospital?

While JFK's obliterated lifeless body is still on the ER table and blood spattered Jackie Kennedy is in the deepest depths of nightmarish despair, both just a few rooms away?

If true, it proves LBJ was no more concerned about JFK's slaughter as he was worried how it may have threatened his personal wealth!

Makes me believe even more that LBJ knew ahead of time of JFK's killing and was morally corrupt enough to let it happen.

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2 hours ago, Joe Bauer said:

That is just sickening about LBJ. 

Monstrous actually.

1:pm right inside the hospital?

While JFK obliterated lifeless body is still on the ER table and blood spattered Jackie Kennedy is in the deepest depths of nightmarish despair, both just a few rooms away?

If true, it proves LBJ was no more concerned about JFK's slaughter as much as he was about this brutal tragedy threatening his personal wealth!

Makes me believe even more that LBJ knew ahead of time of JFK's killing and was morally corrupt enough to let it happen.

LBJ was a nasty piece of work. I know Roger Stone’s book has its flaws, but it details his sordid activities pretty well.

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10 hours ago, Ron Ecker said:

Also, for the plotters, I would say that the less number of people with such a need to know the better.

 

 

 

I do not believe the CIA assets amongst Brown & Root employees had intimate knowledge of any of the technical aspects of the assassination plot, however, the movement of funds and assets within a large company is very important. For either the planning phase, the assassination itself and its subsequent cover-up would require a gross amount of capital, and if you can funnel that dirty money thru a legitimate enterprise, no one will ever be able to know how the assassination as a structural operation was ever paid for. Hence the massive, unusual movement of stocks and bonds just before, during and right after the murder of President Kennedy. The same thing happened right before, during and after the events of 11 September 2001. 

The less people in the "stove-piped" information loop the better. Everyone below the plotters would simply be following orders. I can agree with that assertion one-hundred percent.

If I were to venture a well informed guess, I would say the actual number plotters involved in the JFK murder planning phase are around about thirty men.

A very small, cellularized group of highly motivated persons in strategic positions to make it happen.

 Let's say maybe (if I were once again, going to guess) the following persons:

Allen Welsh Dulles

Richard Mervin Bissell Jr.

Gen. Charles Pearre Cabell

Col. Boris Theodore Pash

Dr. Sidney Gottlieb

Col. Sheffield M. Edwards

Jacob Donald 'Jake' Esterline

Everette “Eduardo” Howard Hunt Jr.

Maj. Gen. Charles Andrew Willoughby

Henry D. Hecksher

Richard McGarrah Helms

Col. Howard Lay Burris

Alfred Conrad "Al" Ulmer Jr.

William Putnam "Bill" Bundy

William King "Bill" Harvey

David “El Indio” Sánchez Morales

Maj. Gen. Edward Geary Lansdale

William "Rip" Robertson Jr.

Theodore George "Ted" Shackley Jr.

Lt. Col. Lucien Emile Conein

Charles Tracy Barnes

Col. William C. Bishop

Grayston L. Lynch

Edwin Paul Wilson

Otto Skorzeny 

David Atlee Phillips

Col. Joseph Caldwell King

Lt. Col. James Walter McCord Jr.

George Efythron Joannides 

George Hunter White

 

I'd say, outside of those thirty persons, everyone else is just following orders, either because they stand to profit from the act, they are ideologically committed, they want to be "good soldiers" or they have been so dramatically compromised on a personal level that they cannot say no to the assassination.

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