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I like your passion Dishan. I agree,, it's important to keep up the discussion, or I wouldn't be here..

You might read my passage again. Of course you weren't taught this in school. and neither were any of your contemporaries. I won't assume to know your age, as my picture's 15 years old! But the typical guy who is say 30ish and making his way out to the airways or really any influential position to inform the public has not been taught anything about a possible JFKAC in his institutional learning.

Dishan:"the majority believing there was a conspiracy". I probably respectfully disagree with people who put a lot of credence in that. There are a lot of maybe not highly educated people, where that's really just the cool thing to say. Sort of a badge to say that they are independent thinkers who don't just automatically buy what the establishment tells them, but could never make any kind of pro conspiracy case  in any depth themselves. I think it's a bit of a bandwagon  thing. And on the other hand,there area lot of intelligent people who haven't thought it was really worth looking into,  and just don't believe what you believe.

As you get higher up in education and status, people who believe in the JFKAC  become fewer. It's not because anyone tells them to think that way or brainwashes them. But having said that, the people who are genuinely motivated to research the JFKAC are generally a very intelligent free thinking lot.

There area number of sticky reasons why people balk at funding Stone's films. But to a degree, any truly independent film maker with his own vision can have problems getting funded.

At this point, I do wonder about the effectiveness of the government reopening another investigation of the JFKA. As I've said the best break the JFKA conspiracy movement could get short of a real break in the case would be some eccentric Silicon Valley billionaire staking an independent investigation into the  JFKAC to the tune of say, 100 million.

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The Platform the GOP Is Too Scared to Publish

What the Republican Party actually stands for, in 13 points


https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/08/new-gop-platform-authoritarianism/615640/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share

1) The most important mechanism of economic policy—not the only tool, but the most important—is adjusting the burden of taxation on society’s richest citizens. Lower this level, as Republicans did in 2017, and prosperity will follow. The economy has had a temporary setback, but thanks to the tax cut of 2017, recovery is ready to follow strongly. No further policy change is required, except possibly lower taxes still.

2) The coronavirus is a much-overhyped problem. It’s not that dangerous and will soon burn itself out. States should reopen their economies as rapidly as possible, and accept the ensuing casualties as a cost worth paying—and certainly a better trade-off than saving every last life by shutting down state economies. Masking is useless and theatrical, if not outright counterproductive.

3) Climate change is a much-overhyped problem. It’s probably not happening. If it is happening, it’s not worth worrying about. If it’s worth worrying about, it’s certainly not worth paying trillions of dollars to amend. To the extent it is real, it will be dealt with in the fullness of time by the technologies of tomorrow. Regulations to protect the environment unnecessarily impede economic growth.

4) China has become an economic and geopolitical adversary of the United States. Military spending should be invested with an eye to defeating China on the seas, in space, and in the cyberrealm. U.S. economic policy should recognize that relations with China are zero-sum: When China wins, the U.S. loses, and vice versa.

5) The trade and alliance structures built after World War II are outdated. America still needs partners, of course, especially Israel and maybe Russia. But the days of NATO and the World Trade Organization are over. The European Union should be treated as a rival; the United Kingdom and Japan should be treated as subordinates; and Canada, Australia, and Mexico should be treated as dependencies. If America acts decisively, allies will have to follow whether they like it or not—as they will have to follow U.S. policy on Iran.

6) Health care is a purchase like any other. Individuals should make their own best deals in the insurance market with minimal government supervision. Those who pay more should get more. Those who cannot pay must rely on Medicaid, accept charity, or go without.

7) Voting is a privilege. States should have wide latitude to regulate that privilege in such a way as to minimize voting fraud, which is rife among African Americans and new immigrant communities. The federal role in voting oversight should be limited to preventing Democrats from abusing the U.S. Postal Service to enable fraud by their voters.

8.) Anti-black racism has ceased to be an important problem in American life. At this point, the people most likely to be targets of adverse discrimination are whites, Christians, and Asian university applicants. Federal civil-rights enforcement resources should concentrate on protecting them.

9) The courts should move gradually and carefully toward eliminating the mistake made in 1965 when women’s sexual privacy was elevated into a constitutional right.

10) The post-Watergate ethics reforms overreached. We should welcome the trend toward unrestricted and secret campaign donations. Overly strict conflict-of-interest rules will only bar wealthy and successful businesspeople from public service. Without endorsing every particular action by the president and his family, the Trump administration has met all reasonable ethical standards.

11) Trump’s border wall is the right policy to slow illegal immigration; the task of enforcing immigration rules should not fall on business operators. Some deal on illegal immigration must be found. The most important Republican priority in any such deal is to delay as long as possible full citizenship, voting rights, and health-care benefits for people who entered the country illegally.

12) The country is currently gripped by a surge of crime and lawlessness as a result of the Black Lives Matter movement and its criticism of police. Police misconduct, like that in the George Floyd case, should be punished. But the priority now should be to stop crime by empowering police.

13) Civility and respect are cherished ideals. But in the face of the overwhelming and unfair onslaught against President Trump by the media and the Deep State, his occasional excesses on Twitter and at his rallies should be understood as pardonable reactions to much more severe misconduct by others.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Cliff Varnell said:

As a Slovenian-American, (my mother's parents emigrated to the U.S. from Ljubljana in 1905) I finally have to break my four year silence about my Slovenian home girl, Melania.

I'm disappointed with her.   My hunch is that most Slovenes feel the same way.  They recently burned down a statue of her in Slovenia.

My mother's family were New Deal Democrats, like former Senator Tom Harkin (D-Iowa) whose mother was Slovene.

They all loved FDR and, as Roman Catholics, they thought JFK practically walked on water.

Melania probably knows very little about the history of Slovenian immigrants to the U.S.  Demographically, they are most similar to Italian-Americans, (and, in fact, many Italians from northeastern Italy are ethnic Slovenes.)

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1 hour ago, W. Niederhut said:

As a Slovenian-American, (my mother's parents emigrated to the U.S. from Ljubljana in 1905) I finally have to break my four year silence about my Slovenian home girl, Melania.

I'm disappointed with her.   My hunch is that most Slovenes feel the same way.  They recently burned down a statue of her in Slovenia.

My mother's family were New Deal Democrats, like former Senator Tom Harkin (D-Iowa) whose mother was Slovene.

They all loved FDR and, as Roman Catholics, they thought JFK practically walked on water.

Melania probably knows very little about the history of Slovenian immigrants to the U.S.  Demographically, they are most similar to Italian-Americans, (and, in fact, many Italians from northeastern Italy are ethnic Slovenes.)

My favorite Slovene...Goran Dragić of the Miami Heat!

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21 hours ago, Cliff Varnell said:

My favorite Slovene...Goran Dragić of the Miami Heat!

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Luka Doncic and a number of Slovenian basketball players have played in the NBA, along with many guys from the other former Yugoslav republics-- Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia, Montenegro, and Macedonia.

The Denver Nuggets All Star center, Nikola Jokic, is from a village in Serbia.

The last time I checked, there were more NBA players from the former Yugoslavia than from any other foreign country in the world.  The NBA has been thoroughly Balkanized.

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On 8/11/2020 at 1:48 PM, Robert Burrows said:

California's attorney general (Kamala Harris) said that even if there were a second gunman, Sirhan Sirhan hasn't proven his innocence.

CNN February 4, 2012

https://www.cnn.com/2012/02/04/justice/california-sirhan-rfk/index.html

Imagine that, a former DA who believes that the accused must prove themselves innocent. I thought it was the other way around, that the prosecution has to prove the man is guilty. 

I suppose that happened in this case, but that's only because at the trial all of the variables were not exposed. Had all of the variables been visible and not suppressed, we would probably have had a different outcome. 

Undeniably Sirhan was in that kitchen and he was holding a gun. But let's not ignore the coroner's report and what that tells us. Case closed, and by inference we can determine that Sirhan was merely a prop, meant to stand and hold a gun. "He must be guilty, right?"

Kamala Harris is an abomination and she represents everything that is wrong with politics. From xxxxing her way to the top via Willie Brown to siding constantly on the wrong side of justice.

Trump might be a small-fingered vulgarian ... yes, it's true. And she's just as disgusting in her own way. 

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On 8/21/2020 at 11:09 AM, Kishan Dandiker said:

As an Brit, I'm pretty surprised the members of this forum are so invested in this election. Don't most people on here believe JFK's death allowed for coup to take place in the US? Why would you have any faith in the system at all, whether it be Republicans or Democrats? Apart from a few good politicians such as Thomas Downing, Richard Schweiker, Gary Hart etc., most in the major parties have not looked to conduct a proper investigation or have actively blocked efforts to do so. 

 

I have zero faith in it and find both parties and their candidates equally appalling. However, there are many folks who are diehard political partisans, their very identity is defined by their party alignment. The entire world is a political construct that doesn't represent reality in any way, and they argue from a position entrenched in that fantasy-world.

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1 hour ago, Richard Booth said:

Imagine that, a former DA who believes that the accused must prove themselves innocent. I thought it was the other way around, that the prosecution has to prove the man is guilty. 

I suppose that happened in this case, but that's only because at the trial all of the variables were not exposed. Had all of the variables been visible and not suppressed, we would probably have had a different outcome. 

Undeniably Sirhan was in that kitchen and he was holding a gun. But let's not ignore the coroner's report and what that tells us. Case closed, and by inference we can determine that Sirhan was merely a prop, meant to stand and hold a gun. "He must be guilty, right?"

Kamala Harris is an abomination and she represents everything that is wrong with politics. From xxxxing her way to the top via Willie Brown to siding constantly on the wrong side of justice.

Trump might be a small-fingered vulgarian ... yes, it's true. And she's just as disgusting in her own way. 

Geez... What utterly absurd "false equivalence."

If you think Trump is merely a "small-fingered vulgarian," you have a great deal to learn about America's severely deranged Sociopath-in-Chief.

Have you read any books about Trump-- e.g., Fire and Fury, or the more recent publications by Bolton, Mary Trump, Michael Cohen, Woodward, et.al.?

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Actually its worse than that Richard.

Lisa Pease told me that Harris was desperate to turn back the Dusek/Pepper petition.  It was so well reasoned, and so well backed up with evidence, that she turned to--and I really hope Lisa is wrong about this-Mel Ayton for help.

If you read Lisa's book, she has a nice small section on what Harris did. 

In reading the Dusek/Pepper petition, Sirhan would have been out if that would have been argued before a court.  

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7 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

Actually its worse than that Richard.

Lisa Pease told me that Harris was desperate to turn back the Dusek/Pepper petition.  It was so well reasoned, and so well backed up with evidence, that she turned to--and I really hope Lisa is wrong about this-Mel Ayton for help.

If you read Lisa's book, she has a nice small section on what Harris did. 

In reading the Dusek/Pepper petition, Sirhan would have been out if that would have been argued before a court.  

Jim,

    If we use Kennedy Assassination Truther-ism as a sort of "single issue" criterion in judging Donald Trump and Kamala Harris, what do you make of Trump using the GHWB Presidential discretion rider to block the full Congressionally-mandated release of the JFKA records in October of 2017 and April of 2018?

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Flip a coin as to which is worse.

The Cruz thing was just a kind of abuse of information and a total disregard for the facts.  Roger Stone fostered it through Judith Baker.  And then gave it to Trump.  It did not fly at first.  In Cohen's book he says that Trump decided to go on TV to make it more public and he did and it worked.  Even though its not him in the picture.

Harris did not want to be stuck as being the person who caused Sirhan to be set free.  And she did not want to be the person who explained why he should be set free since she thought that would hurt her career.  But it also fit in with the kind of AG she was, a law and order Dem.

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