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I really don't want to get into a war here.  I'm just attaching Chapter 2 of Joseph J. Trento's Prelude to Terror: The Rogue CIA and the Legacy of America's Private Intelligence Network (2005), entitled Recruiting George H. W. Bush.  I believe I can go this far under the Fair Use standards.

Trento compiles a history of the intelligence activities that preceded 9/11.  Part of his thesis is that a Bush vice-presidency and presidency helped restore strength to a CIA weakened by Jimmy Carter and Stansfield Turner, and that Bush was at the very least aware* that the diminished CIA operated through privatized banks, business fronts and foreign intelligence services (Israeli, Saudi) before the Reagan years, and then didn't stop.  Such activities led to Iran-Contra and the development of al Qaeda.

[*I have not yet finished the book.  Perhaps I can offer more later.]

Trento ends Chapter 1 with an account by CIA asset William R. Corson of how and why Allen Dulles recruited GHWB as an asset:

Corson, who later worked personally for Dulles, warned [Prescott] Bush about Dulles's recruiting methods. "I told him that it would not be beyond Dulles to try to get favorable treatment for the Agency by trying to get close to relatives of those charged with oversight. He [Prescott] just shook his head and laughed. ... He disparaged George. ... He thought George relied too much on the family. I doubt that Prescott Bush would ever suspect Dulles of trying to recruit a senator's son." But "it was Allen Dulles's way of . . . controlling people who had control over him. Prescott Bush was a very impressive man, just the kind of man that Dulles would want to be able to control. If he could control the son of the man who could veto their operations, Dulles would do it."38

[38. From a series of interviews with William R. Corson, 1971-2000.]

Now read Chapter 2, attached.  Did GHWB's Zapata oil drilling company go under because George was a poor businessman, or was conducting a bust-out scheme for CIA, or because George was also rather busy in other endeavors?

Do what you want with the material, but don't fart in my general direction.

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2 hours ago, Kirk Gallaway said:

W.-You always cite that litany of stuff, which is no specific proof at all that Bush was at Dealey plaza Only that he had things to explain, that we never got around to hearing.  Most of which I've believed for a long time. But I don't want to go into again. We've talked about this before. You can  read my observations where I said all of this in the post that you were looking for than Ron produced that you of course started a couple of years back.

I would say, I tend to agree with what Joe just said (minus Lansdale), plus probably what Jim Di, Larry Hancock, I would imagine would say about that theory because the controversy around that picture has gone on for a long time. If you read what I said earlier,  you're going to convince very few people from that photo.

 

Kirk,

     You don't seem to understand heuristic process, nor the evidence and arguments that I have posted in this discussion, (which, by the way, have been repeatedly interrupted by various deflective, often inaccurate claims.)  I'm not "trying to convert" anyone.  I'm open to concluding whatever the evidence actually shows.

     What does it show? 

     Why the strange FBI phone call by GHWB naming Parrott as a suspect? 

     Why the strange Barbara Bush letter?

     Put aside your a priori assumptions and look at this photo for a minute.  Is it GHWB?  Yes or no?  Let's hear your "diagnosis."

See the source image

     Instead of studying and discussing the evidence-- e.g., the photos, the FBI phone call, the Barbara Bush letter (what you refer to as a "litany")  -- you have simply glossed over the data and repeated your fixed opinion that "all of this has been already been discussed, debunked," etc.  

    Your comments beg the serious questions rather than answering them.

    1)  Was George H.W. Bush in Dealey Plaza on 11/22/63?

    2)  Hypothesis: Is it possible that GHWB never went to Tyler, Texas on 11/22/63?  What is the definitive evidence, knowing as we do, that the CIA is very good at creating legends and cover stories?

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So if the picture is of Bush he lied about his whereabouts. I see that. What would you presume his role would have been? 

 

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1 hour ago, Paul Brancato said:

So if the picture is of Bush he lied about his whereabouts. I see that. What would you presume his role would have been? 

 

I know it's not for me but that's a good question Paul.  Foreword observer for . . . ("retired") Dulles, himself monitoring things from the Farm that afternoon/evening per Talbot.  Bagman for Cuban shooters - I don't think so.

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2 hours ago, Paul Brancato said:

So if the picture is of Bush he lied about his whereabouts. I see that. What would you presume his role would have been? 

 

     Not sure where GHWB would have fit into the Company's organizational chart, Paul.  Arranging transportation and funding?  (Didn't he furnish two boats for the Bay of Pigs thing?) 

      He was important enough to receive a personal briefing from Hoover, as a representative of the CIA.

    I've been more focused on the subject of his whereabouts when JFK was murdered.

    How would Americans (including Kirk and Cory) feel if they found out that future POTUS George Herbert Walker Bush was in Dealey Plaza when JFK was killed?

     I think many people would be shocked and disillusioned-- though, perhaps not the people on this forum.

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15 hours ago, W. Niederhut said:

Ron,

     You're a serious JFKA scholar, IMO, who has done a lot of reading and critical thinking about the Dallas op.  And you're also familiar with the area.  (Your advice about my first visit to Dealey Plaza last December was helpful.)

    Question.  Given the CIA's well known ability to fabricate legends, cover stories, false identities, false witnesses, and false histories, (in books and on social media) is it possible that GHWB's alleged visit to Tyler, Texas on 11/22/63 never happened?  Just a hypothesis.

     We know that GHWB's 11/22/63 phone call to the FBI about James Parrott makes no sense.  Russ Baker makes a good case that the phone call was, apparently, used to establish an alibi.   Bush also told the FBI that he would be staying at the Dallas Sheraton on the night of 11/22/63, when, in fact, he had stayed there on the night of 11/21/63 before, allegedly, flying back to Houston by an oddly circuitous route on 11/22/63.

     We know that Barbara Bush's elaborate letter to her young children-- written on the same day that she returned home to the children in Houston-- makes no sense.

     So, isn't it possible that the alleged "witness" in Tyler was working with GHWB and the Company on a fictional, Tyler, Texas cover story?  How difficult could it have been for the Company to contract with a false "witness" in Tyler, Texas  (just as they contracted with Dallas Mayor Earl Cabell and others in Dallas?)

      Next question.  Do you know if anyone has done any real detective work in Tyler-- e.g., reviewing microfilm or hard copies of Tyler newspapers from November 21-23 of 1963 to see if there are any references or photos about GHWB giving a speech at the Kiwanis Club?

Yes it's possible Tyler was a cover story for GHWB in Dealy Plaza.  It's possible the Tyler Kiwanis VP was still covering for him when Baker interviewed him in 2007.  But I question the likelihood.

No I don't remember seeing anything about documentation either way.  I looked myself today a bit.  The Tyler Morning Telegraph for 11/21 and 11/22/63 is available through newspapers.com.  Free 7 day trial if you provide a credit card number.  And remember to un subscribe within 7 days.  

I'd think a visiting Republican Senate candidate in conservative Tyler would be newsworthy, in advance.

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16 hours ago, Kirk Gallaway said:
Wow! Is this thread is still going on?
Did somebody call me?
 
I see W. is positively ebullient at making his first convert to the "GWB in Dealey plaza" decades long theory with Locked down Brit Chris.
But we're used to dealing with W's mood swings and his frailties and insecurities.
But we all love him for it.
He's sort of the forum "Frazier".
 
heh heh heh
 
Oh yes Chris, I've written"glowing things" of Bush in the past as anyone will tell you!.
 
His new  photo expert convert Chris  owes his presence here to Donald Trump's winning the election in 2016. His biggest regret in life up to now is that Boris isn't more like Trump. Chris is on the prowl for greater and greater life enriching conspiracy experiences as I see now I have been added to his list of conspirators. Chris is relentless and won't be satisfied until his list of ongoing conspirators reaches at least half the population of the U.S.!
(which of course explains the election results "hoax"!!)
 
 
Heh heh    Ok, maybe I'm not being completely fair.
Chin up old boy! Laughter is good for the soul!
 
 
Re: Bush in DP:
 
Still I look to find a reason to believe.
 
Tim Hardin
 
 

Well, that's cheered me up at breakfast 🙂  Did you have one drink or two too many last night?
I'd say you're about one stage from cutting an ear off. 

P.S. I am now not lucked down and I am experiencing freedom and liberty to its maximum. 


 

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