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[Ty Carpenter]

I like the Stone's and all but a serious question:

Did anyone ever think Mick Jaggers dancing was cool? It just looks silly to me.

[Ron Bulman]

Keith wrote the the song Wild Horses for his daughter.  Per his autobiography.

[Ron Bulman]

20 minutes ago, Ron Bulman said:

Keith wrote the the song Wild Horses for his daughter.  Per his autobiography.

Have you ever seen the wild horses south of San Luis?  They come right up to the road, still concealing, protecting the colts, waiting for feed.  Otherwise wild within their range.  While not the Stones Garth Brooks did a wild horses song on his first album back in 1990.

Garth Brooks - Wild Horses - Bing video

[Cliff Varnell]

 

[W. Niederhut]

15 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

Have you ever seen the wild horses south of San Luis?  They come right up to the road, still concealing, protecting the colts, waiting for feed.  Otherwise wild within their range.  While not the Stones Garth Brooks did a wild horses song on his first album back in 1990.

Garth Brooks - Wild Horses - Bing video

Haven't seen the wild horses in the San Luis Valley, Ron. 

But, with apologies to Cliff for posting an old, saccharine pop radio hit, here's a true story.

One of the greatest rock concerts I have ever attended, bar none, was Michael Martin Murphey and his Texas cowboy band at a small club in Denver called Ebbet's Field in about (?) '75.  The show stopper was Geronimo's Cadillac, but they also performed Wildfire, with pianist Dave Hoffner, which had not yet become a radio hit--ruined by overplaying.

Murphey and his cowboy band could really put on a show in those days.  They had the crowd on their feet.

 

Edited March 17, 2021 by W. Niederhut

[Joe Bauer]

23 hours ago, Ty Carpenter said:

I like the Stone's and all but a serious question:

Did anyone ever think Mick Jaggers dancing was cool? It just looks silly to me.

He's no Fred Astaire, Tony Montero or James Brown that's for sure.

I too thought his dancing was almost laughably uncoordinated to watch.

Kind of like what you see some extremely mentally ill street people doing with no music in a crowded public place.

Throwing their arms wildly in the air, spinning around spastically, making cross eyed, exaggerated sexual act lip and mouth faces. 

Jagger would add gritting teeth sexual crotch thrusting and shaking his dinky little butt at the audience as well.

If anyone did these moves in any normal public place and situation besides a rock concert stage performance they'd be arrested for lewd and lascivious behavior.

And Jagger always looked extremely emaciated and physically unhealthy to me. Like he was long term starved as a child and never recovered. 

I never understood the sex appeal to women, but I can't speak for them.

Edited March 17, 2021 by Joe Bauer

[Ty Carpenter]

29 minutes ago, Joe Bauer said:

He's no Fred Astaire, Tony Montero or James Brown that's for sure.

I too thought his dancing was almost laughably uncoordinated to watch.

Kind of like what you see some extremely mentally ill street people doing with no music in a crowded public place.

Throwing their arms wildly in the air, spinning around spastically, making cross eyed, exaggerated sexual act lip and mouth faces. 

Jagger would add gritting teeth sexual crotch thrusting and shaking his dinky little butt at the audience as well.

If anyone did these moves in any normal public place and situation besides a rock concert stage performance they'd be arrested for lewd and lascivious behavior.

And Jagger always looked extremely emaciated and physically unhealthy to me. Like he was long term starved as a child and never recovered. 

I never understood the sex appeal to women, but I can't speak for them.

Thanks for the response, Joe. I am 100% in agreement with your statement and believe you nailed it!

[Kirk Gallaway]

I agree with both of you. He's always looked rather ludicrous to me. I've never seen a grace or a sustained coordinated rhythm to Jagger's dancing, but he's more like an actor on a stage.. If you like his moves on stage. You've probably seen every one of them 100 times,anyway. At that stage of R&R, The spontaneous show stealer in dancing was James Brown, and you'd get very simple coordinated moves among backup singers.

In those first 3, Lady Gaga, with her wailing, just eclipsed everything vocally. I liked her outfit, which sort of highlights her dancing., I also marvel how these woman mange to move around in high heels.

Usually when a band welcomes an outside artist, it's one of the final songs, and it's understandable that the crowd will forgive and even love it's looseness because it's sort of a "aren't we having fun now"moment. But every passing Stone song with a guest did get tighter after Gaga, Weinhouse, Sheryl Crow and I believe Aguilerra had the best dynamics. The Taylor Swift thing bugged me because it seems they can't seem to make up their mind if they want to harmonize or sing in unison in different octaves. Of course, none of these are rehearsed, but some real adept vocalists, can just harmonize all the way through a simple song like "Tears go by" even without a rehearsal.. Just my take.

[Bill Fite]

14 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

Keith wrote the the song Wild Horses for his daughter.  Per his autobiography.

I was a big Gram Parsons fan at the time Sticky Fingers came out, and when Wild Horses first came on the radio, at the end of the song, my sister who had only heard Gram's albums from my playing them at home asked me "Why are the Rolling Stones playing Gram Parson's songs?"

Decades later, in the Hard Rock Cafe starwell in Denver, I saw Gram Parson's notebook open to the page where he had written down the lyrics to Wild Horses.

Don't know if Gram or Keith wrote it... or if Keith wrote it after playing with Gram or Gram wrote it and gave it to Keith.. or they wrote it together.. I've always wondered.

Great song - the best version is the Old and in the Way version IMO.

Edited March 17, 2021 by Bill Fite

[Cliff Varnell]

4 hours ago, W. Niederhut said:

But, with apologies to Cliff for posting an old, saccharine pop radio hit

I have no problem going there!

I worked with Art Venosa at Artichoke Joe's Casino for many years in the 90's. 

[W. Niederhut]

34 minutes ago, Cliff Varnell said:

I have no problem going there!

I worked with Art Venosa at Artichoke Joe's Casino for many years in the 90's. 

 Question.  How did Artichoke Joe's Casino get away with gambling on the premises over the years?  

Meanwhile, this is a very loose association, Cliff, but I've gotta crow about recently watching Sinatra sing, "The Lady Is A Tramp," to Rita Hayworth in the 1957 movie, Pal Joey, set in San Francisco.  Cool film, which also featured Hayworth and Kim Novak singing (dubbed) renditions of the jazz standards, Bewitched, and My Funny Valentine.

     They don't make 'em like they used to...

 

 

[Cliff Varnell]

1 hour ago, W. Niederhut said:

 Question.  How did Artichoke Joe's Casino get away with gambling on the premises over the years?  

Meanwhile, this is a very loose association, Cliff, but I've gotta crow about recently watching Sinatra sing, "The Lady Is A Tramp," to Rita Hayworth in the 1957 movie, Pal Joey, set in San Francisco.  Cool film, which also featured Hayworth and Kim Novak singing (dubbed) renditions of the jazz standards, Bewitched, and My Funny Valentine.

     They don't make 'em like they used to...

 

 

Draw poker has been legal in California since 1879 when all other forms of gambling were outlawed.  The argument was that draw poker was a game of skill while any game with up cards (stud and, much later, Texas Hold'Em) were deemed games of chance.

Good luck finding a draw game in California these days.

 

[W. Niederhut]

26 minutes ago, Cliff Varnell said:

Draw poker has been legal in California since 1879 when all other forms of gambling were outlawed.  The argument was that draw poker was a game of skill while any game with up cards (stud and, much later, Texas Hold'Em) were deemed games of chance.

Good luck finding a draw game in California these days.

 

Marlon Brandon sang, "Luck, Be a Lady" in his stellar performance as Sky Masterson in the film version of Guys and Dolls.  Brando was no Sinatra, as a singer, but he was terrific in that movie.

Edited March 18, 2021 by W. Niederhut

[Ron Bulman]

6 hours ago, Kirk Gallaway said:

I agree with both of you. He's always looked rather ludicrous to me. I've never seen a grace or a sustained coordinated rhythm to Jagger's dancing, but he's more like an actor on a stage.. If you like his moves on stage. You've probably seen every one of them 100 times,anyway. At that stage of R&R, The spontaneous show stealer in dancing was James Brown, and you'd get very simple coordinated moves among backup singers.

In those first 3, Lady Gaga, with her wailing, just eclipsed everything vocally. I liked her outfit, which sort of highlights her dancing., I also marvel how these woman mange to move around in high heels.

Usually when a band welcomes an outside artist, it's one of the final songs, and it's understandable that the crowd will forgive and even love it's looseness because it's sort of a "aren't we having fun now"moment. But every passing Stone song with a guest did get tighter after Gaga, Weinhouse, Sheryl Crow and I believe Aguilerra had the best dynamics. The Taylor Swift thing bugged me because it seems they can't seem to make up their mind if they want to harmonize or sing in unison in different octaves. Of course, none of these are rehearsed, but some real adept vocalists, can just harmonize all the way through a simple song like "Tears go by" even without a rehearsal.. Just my take.

Good summary Kirk.  Mick is no Fred Astaire.  He doesn't dance.  He struts, marches, flings his arms around.  Reminds me of a little red rooster.  Though not so much early on in these confines.

 

 

[Cliff Varnell]