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1 hour ago, Paul Brancato said:

But is there mercury in a flu shot? The CDC says you can get a flu vaccine with or without mercury, but I don’t recall being given a choice. What about the Covid vaccines? Anyone know? How about the new shingles two dose vaccine being recommended nowadays? Is the CDC correct when they say there is no mercury in childhood vaccines? 

Weird. It's almost like this is a subject that demands specialized knowledge and expertise.

I know. Let's ask Joe Rogan.

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18 minutes ago, Paul Brancato said:

I find the vaccine debate perplexing and annoying. To me it comes down to mercury. Is their thimerosal in the vaccines or not? It seems that the industry acknowledges that there might be a problem with it. I have a very old friend who is a top level pathologist. He was on board with the anti vaccine movement in the early 2000’s when servicemen were being shot up with multiple vaccines prior to deployment in Iraq. He tells me that today’s vaccines no longer use mercury. But it’s clear that some vaccines do contain thimerosal. As with much these days getting at the truth is very difficult. When posters here provide links to articles and papers it doesn’t actually help me. Ascertaining the level of expertise and or the trustworthiness of one expert or another is hard to do. I much admire RFK Jr for a lifetime of activism, and I remain convinced that he is right about mercury, no matter which kind it is. But is there mercury in a flu shot? The CDC says you can get a flu vaccine with or without mercury, but I don’t recall being given a choice. What about the Covid vaccines? Anyone know? How about the new shingles two dose vaccine being recommended nowadays? Is the CDC correct when they say there is no mercury in childhood vaccines? 
 

 

Hi Paul,

The CDC is adamant that thimerisol is safe. Their guys state it is. In opposition you have people claiming Mercury isn’t safe, it’s a neurotoxin. They don’t accept the one paper that has been produced to prove it isn’t thimersol causing the issue. There are other theories about combining MMR shots, it’s such a multi varied equation that science doesn’t get near to covering all scenarios, and as you know, the terms of the experiment you set are crucial to determining an outcome. Move those parameters and you get a different outcome. There is a simple way of proving whether any of these vaccines are harmful, you simply compare the data of non-vaxxed vs the  vaxxed. Two groups, you have roughly 30% unvaxxed in the US anyhow (or did before Covid). The data is paid for by the tax payer, it isn’t going to cost a fortune to do. What it does do is help the public make better choices and gives full transparency on the cost/benefit of having a treatment or not. Ok, lets say there are any number of things wrong with some vaccines, there will be law suits galore but, if they are perfectly safe or very low risk as maintained, why withhold the data? This couldn’t be more logical as a request or argument. Lets end the argument with a system that makes the case, that both sides can accept. 
 

As for the Cov19 jabs, as I have said from the start, I wouldn’t knock anyone for making a choice that they think is best for their own health, they have to live with it. My father has had two jabs, he has co-morbidities and it’s probably worth the risk in his case, taking an experimental treatment that has no medium or long term testing results, anything might kill him, a decent flu etc. To me, when having any medical intervention, there is a cost/benefit decision to be made.
It’s appears that graphene oxide may be in Astra & Pfizer, maybe others too, it’s also something that is a toxin, a semi-conductor, has magnetic properties. It’s not listed in the ingredients but, there is a ‘trade secret’ which you may have heard Gates and others refer to. I can’t verify what this university has found in the lab testing vials and blood-work but, I am certainly keeping an eye on it, my eyes are open to all these healthy people having blood clots, myocarditis and other reactions. There are ex Pfizer employees, and MRNA inventor and vaccinologist Robert Malone blowing the whistle. Of course no mainstream network will even talk about adverse reactions or deaths from the jabs. In contrast the hard sell has been ramped up and now giving people free stuff to get the jab, young people and children. People not at risk, people with healthy immune systems, that are able to bat this away with no issues. if you or anyone else listens to the Bret Weinstein podcast further up the thread, so many of the issues are discussed intelligently, including safety, the serious adverse reactions, herd immunity, immunity from previous coronavirus and from this coronavirus. Its a long listen but, a very coherent conversation with people who understand the issues and challenges very well. He’s a very bright caring guy and he has put his neck on the chopping block over this, like RFK Jr has, I respect people doing that, there is no gain or financial incentive for them. Unlike the players on the other side of this argument. We only need to slightly scratch the surface on this and we realise its a lot more complex that 99% of people even realise. Critics of this experimental program are calling the decisions being made as anti-science. I feel like I could talk for a week on the various dimensions of this. My sincere hope is that what I see happening is mostly financial, and not something more insidious. 
 

Cheers

 

Chris
 

 

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20 minutes ago, Denny Zartman said:
1 hour ago, Paul Brancato said:

 

Weird. It's almost like this is a subject that demands specialized knowledge and expertise.

Unless of course the person with the specialised knowledge isn’t supporting your case. Then we should disregard it, right?!
How many people with credentials need to speak out? 
I guess Fauci is the one we should listen to, he is top of the tree of immunologists, it’s not like he’s been caught lying about this in 2021. How does that reflect on all of the people backing him? 

 

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Denny Zartman writes:

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Weird. It's almost like this is a subject that demands specialized knowledge and expertise.

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Unless of course the person with the specialised knowledge isn’t supporting your case. Then we should disregard it, right?!

Disregarding those experts who go against one's preconceived views is exactly what Chris has been doing.

Which experts should Chris believe? If expert opinion is evenly divided, Chris might be justified in tossing a coin and going with whichever opinion happens to reflect his view of the world.

But if, as in this case, expert opinion is overwhelmingly on one side, it is perverse and irrational for a non-expert to prefer the minority opinion.

The principle involved is very straightforward, but Chris doesn't seem to grasp it.

Paul Brancato writes:

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Ascertaining the level of expertise and or the trustworthiness of one expert or another is hard to do. I much admire RFK Jr for a lifetime of activism, and I remain convinced that he is right about mercury

RFK Jr's environmental activism is indeed praiseworthy, but that doesn't make him an expert on mercury or anything else to do with vaccination.  

The majority of expert opinion strongly disagrees with RFK Jr about the safety of vaccination. Why should any non-expert side with him rather than the large majority of experts?

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On 8/8/2021 at 11:53 AM, Chris Barnard said:

Simple one for you, if there is a safer way of testing vaccines, that leads to less deaths, and less adverse reactions, would you be happy for humanity to switch to that system? 

@Jeremy Bojczukagain .... ↖️⬆️

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6 minutes ago, W. Niederhut said:

Apropos of this interminable COVID vaccine debate.  Here's some hard medical data about the relative risks of mRNA vaccines vs. no vaccines.  Some pictures are worth 10,000 words...  🤥

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@W. Niederhut What is your conclusion when someone that has had covid, without any vaccine protection and their chest x-ray looks like the first picture and not the second? 
I might know a bloke who has an x-ray we can use for reference (if required). 
 

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Here’s two items that should end this nonsense about vaxxed people being arrogant and understanding zero science.

First, an autopsy of a vaxxed death.

https://creativedestructionmedia.com/news/2021/08/07/a-pathologist-summary-of-what-these-jabs-do-to-the-brain-and-other-organs/

Second, the Massachusetts CDC just published a study of 469 “delta” cases in July 2021. 74% of the cases were vaccinated! 80% of those hospitalized were vaxxed! The key point of this study is they tested everyone at the same cycle threshold level. If you don’t understand why thats crucial, please research it before you cackle about how dangerous unvaccinated people are. BigPharma mouthpieces are far more dangerous. This virus simply isn’t killing too many healthy people at all, period. The results from Israel back this study up as well. You are simply delusional if you think vaccinate = safety and its obvious very few of you have looked into this seriously. It wouldn’t shock me if we had Cuomo supporters here at this point, yuck. 

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7 hours ago, Jeremy Bojczuk said:

The majority of expert opinion strongly disagrees with RFK Jr about the safety of vaccination. Why should any non-expert side with him rather than the large majority of experts?

Richard Feynman just rolled over in his grave. The above = science is dead.

 

Btw, he is kind of an expert on mercury. When you study something for 20 years and are legally involved with cases on that topic, you are certainly close to an expert. Plus, RFK Jr has credibility, something official health agency employees generally do not when it comes to politically charged subjects. It’s bizarre to have to make this point on a JFK assassination forum where this is the norm for governmental response. 
 

Im sure you haven’t read the Simpsonwood transcripts or understood the difference between types of mercury etc... Aluminum is the main adjuvant in most vaccines now and its at least as bad if not worse than mercury for neurological health. But hey, you don’t wanna catch those sniffles....

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1 hour ago, Chris Barnard said:

@W. Niederhut What is your conclusion when someone that has had covid, without any vaccine protection and their chest x-ray looks like the first picture and not the second? 
I might know a bloke who has an x-ray we can use for reference (if required). 
 

Chris,

Let me answer your question with a question.

What percentage of recent COVID deaths have occurred in un-vaccinated people?

In the most recent U.S. data, the percentage in Alabama was 99.9% !!

https://apnews.com/article/health-coronavirus-pandemic-32617c0cb852301b4bfed849e207baad

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I hear there's a new "macho dare" thing going on between some white males where they goad each other into arrogant confidence that their superior immune systems can easily withstand anything the covid virus throws at them.
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 I understand from Dennis who speaks very authoritively,   that in a couple of years the vaccinated will die because of increased susceptibilities to other illnesses through their hasty decision to get vaccinated. Obviously nobody can dispute that directly because of course that's in the future. But, since it's been tested for over a year,  we'll start getting some idea about that in a year.
 
Imagine what that world would then be?  It would be populated with a lot of the world's poor who couldn't afford a vaccine and the anti vaxers in the wealthy nations, in effect ruling the world. I can't imagine a sillier group to inherit the earth, and to perpetuate the species... On the surface that would seem like an excellent opportunity to set the world anew with maybe two thirds of the current population. Maybe a one time chance in history to stem pollution and conquer climate change, if they could harbor any such idea.?. In the industrialized nations there would be great opportunities for those with cash ,including the opportunity to  scoop up luxury homes and properties at deflated prices, and cheap labor. And maybe after a few years,a Trumpian renaissance of opportunity!
 
But of course. not a chance.  The most affluent and powerful of the world population would then be represented by a literal clown car of a social consciousness, a literal clown car of civic mindedness, The resulting contentiousness would end up in a feuding cycle of mistrust, wacko theories and completely insular, misguided policy by adamant ideologues. To entrust the future of the human species to this group would be such a disaster that  the ones who first got vaccinated and perished would at last certainly be referred to as "the grateful dead."
 
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Dennis Berube writes:

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the Massachusetts CDC just published a study of 469 “delta” cases in July 2021. 74% of the cases were vaccinated! 80% of those hospitalized were vaxxed!

That's a good example of why know-nothing anti-vaxxer propagandists on social media aren't the most reliable source of information, even if they do tell Dennis what he wants to hear.

The supposed problem is debunked here:

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/08/scicheck-posts-misinterpret-cdcs-provincetown-covid-19-outbreak-report/

The phenomenon is explained by two statisticians here:

https://www.theguardian.com/theobserver/commentisfree/2021/jun/27/why-most-people-who-now-die-with-covid-have-been-vaccinated

I gave that link a week ago in reply to Chris Barnard's comment that

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It’s almost like you are completely unaware that people who have had both shots are catching the virus, spreading the virus and are dying of the virus.

The principle is simple, so even ill-informed anti-vaxxers should be able to grasp it. As the proportion of a population that is vaccinated against covid increases, those who are vaccinated will form an increasing proportion of the covid-related deaths that occur.

The second article suggests that for every vaccinated person who dies, around 20 unvaccinated people with identical risk factors (the main one being age) will die.

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This virus simply isn’t killing too many healthy people at all, period.

I suppose that depends on what you mean by "too many". But even if what Dennis was told to believe by some ignoramus on Facebook or Fox News is correct, so what?

Healthy people get vaccinated not only to protect themselves, but also to protect other people, especially those who aren't as healthy as they are. At least, that's what rational healthy people do.

I'd guess this is the 'freedom' thing Dennis is concerned about. Perhaps he has a point. I mean, why should I care about anyone else? Why should the Evil Gubmint (boo! hiss!) restrict my freedom to get drunk and drive my car at 150 miles per hour on the wrong side of the road if I want to? (Not that my old car could reach anywhere near 150mph, but you get my point.) It's tyranny, I tell you!

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Clarification: to make things easier for anti-vaxxers to understand
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8 hours ago, Kirk Gallaway said:

Imagine what that world would then be?  It would be populated with a lot of the world's poor who couldn't afford a vaccine and the anti vaxers in the wealthy nations, in effect ruling the world. I can't imagine a sillier group to inherit the earth, and to perpetuate the species...

What an amazing lack of imagination. Of course, we don’t need imagination to answer that question at all. We have it straight from the oligarchy. Those people who will “inherit the earth” in the event of mass death are the same people who announced the coup at Jackson Hole in 2019, 3 months before covid and 1 month before the “going direct” part of the plan began with massive overnight loans “direct” to wall street. Murderer Cuomo did his part to kick this off by sending known sick people to infect old people at the mathematical model suggestion of a think tank funded by Bill Gates foundation (WEF partner). This has absolutely nothing to do with health or even a virus, it is the end of representative government as we previously knew it and the transfer of whatever public power was left, essentially to central bankers. Guess who is responsible for the public debt at the end of the day? 
 

As for Jeremy’s post... asserting that not getting an injection endangers others is simply telling me you will repeat whatever lie comes next from the CDC. If the injection works, why are you so obviously frightened into your current state? Why do you rush to Google in order to find a Facebook funded “de-bunking” article when you already know they have a massive conflict of interest (WEF partners), conduct massive censorship and are not even close to objective? Why is every biased study given zero critical scrutiny in the same manner except by people who are heavily censored? We have covered why the death numbers are wrong, but you have debunked it I’m sure via a bigPharma outlet as you consistently do. Get the injection if you need it to signal to everyone that you are part of the group and feel safe while you advocate the destruction of the US Constitution and the remnants of a historically unique nation, while also promoting segregation and discrimination. The Nuremberg Code seems lost on you as well, it just takes some good propaganda to tear down everything that people died for apparently. Looks like the Democratic party is going back to its roots...

Btw, NONE of the people that caught the delta variant in that study died. 5 out of 470 went to the hospital. What a good reason to have medical mandates. Unfortunately, the CDC will likely not do another study with similar CT values between the two groups as their standing order is to test vaccinated people only if they are admitted to hospital or die and to test them at 28 cycles instead of the 40+ that everyone else gets. It can only lead to one conclusion and is thus not science at all.


This “discussion” reminds me of what Allard Lowenstein said about the RFK case. 

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On 8/9/2021 at 3:34 PM, Chris Barnard said:

@W. Niederhut What is your conclusion when someone that has had covid, without any vaccine protection and their chest x-ray looks like the first picture and not the second? 
I might know a bloke who has an x-ray we can use for reference (if required). 
 

Hi William,

I’ll respond to my question, just in case anyone else is unclear, and I explaining why image comparisons like that are often duplicitous and misleading, with both sides of the argument guilty of using such tactics. 
 

The first image, the top one, is exactly how a healthy chest x-ray would look, it’s exactly how my recent chest x-ray looked. And how most of google’s healthy chest x-rays look. If Covid hasn’t spread to lungs, as on the vast majority of infected people it is wiped out by the immune system before a serious lung condition develops. And more importantly before you get a chest looking like image 2. 
 

On 8/9/2021 at 4:54 PM, W. Niederhut said:

Chris,

Let me answer your question with a question.

What percentage of recent COVID deaths have occurred in un-vaccinated people?

In the most recent U.S. data, the percentage in Alabama was 99.9% !!

https://apnews.com/article/health-coronavirus-pandemic-32617c0cb852301b4bfed849e207baad

In answer to your question, I have a question; can you see any problems with using the US state with the lowest uptake of vaccines as an example for making your case? Or making the case they are in your linked article? 
 

Thanks

Chris 

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Covid is a Global Propaganda Operation.
Dr Piers Robinson talks about the propaganda, extraordinary measures and tech censorship. 

https://rumble.com/vkppo0-covid-is-a-global-propaganda-operation.html

Are we all ok with propaganda and being manipulated and misled by our own governments? 
 

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