The Harvard Crimson admits we debunked CE 399

[James DiEugenio]

Neat.  But I don't think they understand the full meaning of that.

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2021/7/19/jfk-review-cannes/

BTW, the last piece of criticism is because what was shown at Cannes was the two hour version.  The four version goes into more depth about the evidence for who we think was involved the why and how it was done. 

BTW, how did all these people get into Cannes?  They must have been at the open screenings that were held the next day.

Edited July 20, 2021 by James DiEugenio

[Benjamin Cole]

44 minutes ago, James DiEugenio said:

Neat.  But I don't think they understand the full meaning of that.

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2021/7/19/jfk-review-cannes/

BTW, the last piece of criticism is because what was shown at Cannes was the two hour version.  The four version goes into more depth about the evidence for who we think was involved and how it was done. 

BTW, how did all these people get into Cannes?  They must have been at the open screenings that were held the next day.

The CE 399 debunking is important in and of itself. 

But the (very sad) take-away then is that other "evidence" cannot be trusted either. 

I am sure Oliver Stone's four-hour version is excellent. 

Unfortunately, we live in an age when people demand easy watching, let alone easy reading.

Oliver Stone knows the market, probably 1000 times better than I, and made a two-hour version, and even then the Harvard Crimson review says it drags. Maybe Oliver Stone will be forced to make a Tik Tok version. 

That said, the Harvard Crimson review is fair enough, and no film reviewer can be asked to know the case like a James D. 

Verily, we all would like to know how exactly the JFKA unfolded. The last man to blame for the knowledge hole is Oliver Stone. 

 

 

Edited July 20, 2021 by Benjamin Cole
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[Paul Brancato]

Maybe Stone could be convinced to release two 2 hour movies instead, the second focussing on who did it rather than on Oswald. 

[James DiEugenio]

If you can believe it Paul, that is how it was originally designed.

Four chapters: Who, what, how and why.

But a big time producer in Europe, who really understands marketing said, you should do two versions: a 2 hour version for one night, and a 4 hour version for four nights.

So they are working on the four hour version now.  

I imagine the DVD will have both plus some of the interviews.

What is so cool about this column is that, once you show CE 399 is a hoax, then you can talk about what really happened.  

 

[Ron Bulman]

Another thing that's cool is it's from Harvard, where he graduated from.  Home of the Harvard John F Kennedy School of Government.

Harvard Kennedy School | Harvard Kennedy School

I look forward to both but the four parts sounds really enticing.  We already know when and where, who, what, why and how addressed separately in depth could be compelling for Truth in the historical record.

Edited July 20, 2021 by Ron Bulman

[Denny Zartman]

I'd say that's a positive review. They couldn't find much to criticize, it seems. It will be interesting to see the full four hour version.

[Sandy Larsen]

 

23 minutes ago, Ron Bulman said:

Another thing that's cool is it's from Harvard, where [JFK] graduated from.  Home of the Harvard John F Kennedy School of Government.

 

(As my 11 y/o daughter would interject...)  Fun Fact! John F. Kennedy was editor of The Crimson in 1940.

 

[James DiEugenio]

Sandy, are you saying this is institutional bias? 😀

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[Micah Mileto]

IMO some of the most basic autopsy information is even worst than CE 399. Who hasn't imagined the months-long clusterfucc that would be a fully-budgeted evidentiary trial of Oswald.

[Anthony Thorne]

Edited for now.

 

 

 

Edited July 20, 2021 by Anthony Thorne

[James DiEugenio]

Micah, I am only speaking of the 2 hour version.

In the four hour one, we go into a lot of the medical evidence.

 

[Rob Couteau]

This essay from the European website Modern Diplomacy is the best and most comprehensive review of Oliver's film that I've seen so far.  

"In Cannes, Oliver Stone puts the spotlight on the US establishment for the murder of JFK." July 20, 2021, by Iveta Cherneva:

The Cannes Film Festival awarded its Golden Palm award on Saturday which went to Titane, but there is another movie I want to talk about. “JFK Revisited: Through the Looking Glass” by director Oliver Stone premiered on the beach in Cannes last week and it has got to be the most memorable and most important movie that the Cannes Film Festival saw this year.

Stone got on stage and told the quick story: the JFK assassination investigation files are still being concealed by the CIA and the FBI; Donald Trump was supposed to reveal the files last year, but he peddled back last minute, and the mainstream media have not covered Stone’s investigation contained in the documentary. “They were telling me I am making things up”, Stone shared with us on the beach in Cannes. He also voiced his frustration at the silence and lack of discussion of the JFK’s assassination.

Half an hour into the movie, it became apparent why the mainstream media are not covering Stone’s investigation – he delivers a devastating critique of the US establishment for the murder of JFK and the coverup. Stone’s theory supported by facts is that the CIA and the Pentagon murdered JFK in a conspiracy and then the FBI covered it up. To date, no one has been prosecuted for the JFK assassination.

JFK was famously opposed to the CIA’s subversive actions in Cuba as a result of the Bay of Pigs fiasco. The deceased President shut down operation Mongoose, a CIA ops camp of 10,000 people. JFK wanted to end the war in Vietnam. He negotiated with Khrushchev in the Cuban missile crisis seeking peace, and not conflict. He was a leader for black rights. All this did not sit well with the establishment.

Stone delves into all the discrepancies and fake facts that made it into the Warren Commission report, which is the official version by the US government for JFK’s assassination. The movie traces the fight of New Orleans District Attorney, Jim Garrison to investigate the assassination and the way that he was smeared and targeted by the US government. The media helped.

Stone delves into the official version, claiming that the man that was accused for JFK’s assassination, Lee Harvey Oswald, and who was consequently killed, was actually a patsy, a person appointed by the US establishment to be blamed for JFK’s murder. Oswald was a CIA operative, trained in the Russian language, who moved to Moscow to join the Soviet Union. Openly, he was a Marxist but only as a public façade. It was known in the CIA circles that Oswald was actually with them.

Stone delivers a critique of the official version of the Warren Report, through the eyes of District Attorney Garrison, revealing that Oswald was interrogated for 12h after the assassination and there is no record of the interrogation. Oswald was a special CIA operative that got killed to cover up the truth of the assassination. He was no regular soldier despite what the official version says. Plenty of the FBI’s investigation is being shown to be just wrong and fabricated.

The Pentagon oversaw JFK’s autopsy, and the medical doctors were not allowed to examine the neck. All of it smelled of a coverup.

District Attorney Garrison is shown having a conversation with an official from the Pentagon’s black ops division, who tells him that everything around JFK’s assassination looks like a black op by the US government targeting the President. All the security measures around the Louisiana Avenue convoy in Dallas, Texas, were quite the opposite of what securing the parameter would have looked like. In Dallas, they would have never allowed a slow-down of the limousine or left windows uncovered. There would have been snipers everywhere. Anything that took place on the day of JFK’s assassination was a violation of standard operating procedures that would have never been allowed under regular circumstance.

Stone shows that everything on the day of JFK’s assassination went wrong. Witnesses were pressured by the FBI to lie and change their testimony about how many shots they heard, and what they saw. 51 witnesses heard shots from a second location, which contradicts the US government lone-shooter official narrative. This is something that the FBI also wanted to conceal. Everything smells rotten, as shown by Stone’s documentary. Perhaps the mainstream media refused to cover Stone’s investigation because they are unwilling to face the truth about how ugly the US government truly is.

Stone shows that there were many more than 3 shots, which is what the official US government version claims. The magic bullet theory according to which one shot must be responsible for multiple wounds and entries now looks like a laughable proposition. One has to wonder: how come American society has bought this for so long? There was definitely a second shooter, which means conspiracy.

JFK’s body was taken away from the regular medical autopsy. The military confiscated the body.

The Bethesda doctors appointed by the military found only 2 bullets but a pathologist testified that the President’s brain “had disappeared”. A doctor who testified later shared that he was told not to examine the neck. Pathologist had to examine all but he was told to examine just the head. An army general was directing the autopsy. More admirals were present at the autopsy and were giving orders to the autopsy doctors. The autopsy was completely tainted by the Pentagon. The public can’t see the record of the autopsy.

The patsy Oswald was a Marxist-Leninist publicly who acted as someone who wanted to join the Soviet Union. Publically he was a pro-Castro person but he was connected to the CIA and the FBI. Stone reveals operation Mongoose which was a training camp for Cuban operatives working for the CIA and which Kennedy shut down angering the CIA. Oswald was a Cuban camp operative too. The FBI and CIA covered up that fact because Oswald was actually their operative. When Oswald defected to the Soviet Union, the State Department supported him. No one prosecuted him for defecting. He was a US government operative, as he was never investigated.

Stone shows records of the idea within the intelligence community to take down JFK. Many on the right in fact, celebrated JFK’s assassination. Stone also traces the political murders around Oswald and the CIA operatives circle. Many political murders followed, which looked like accidents but were actually political murders, a part of the cover-up. Oswald’s wife, Marina was kept in detention for 2 months. After harassment, pressure and exhaustion she changed her story and supported the Warren Report official version.

The Warren Report files remain classified, all on the basis of national security. Stone reveals that the witness statements were completely altered in the Warren Report. The FBI were lying and making everything up. The narratives were completely fabricated. Signatures were forged, showing the FBI as scammers and cheats. People were arrested in Dallas and were never seen again. There was no record of interrogation. They just disappeared.

Oswald couldn’t have done the shooting but the FBI worked tirelessly to create an official version of the assassination which was full of lies and fabrications. The Warren Report sold “that crap” to the American public, in Stones words.

Dallas’ mayor’ brother was deputy director of the [CIA] who JFK fired for the Bay of Pigs. The Warren Commission investigation’s lead was also someone that JFK had fired previously.

The only person ever prosecuted for JFK’s murder and who was found not guilty, was Clay Shaw. He was involved with the CIA. Italy expelled a company that was a CIA cover-up business for espionage in Italy that Shaw was involved with. The CIA contractor Shaw was involved in the murder of JFK. At the time, Shaw’s connection to the CIA was blocked. Subpoenas of the CIA leadership were blocked. A CIA director later admitted that Shaw who was prosecuted for JFK’s assassination was indeed a CIA operative. The FBI covered up the fact that Shaw and Oswald knew each other, claiming in the official version that there was no connection between them, when they were both CIA operatives. The FBI covered up the fact that many witnesses said that Oswald and Shaw knew each other. Oswald met with the FBI two weeks ahead of JFK’s assassination.

Stone reveals that the FBI also blocked extradition subpoenas. District Attorney Garrison was indeed very close.

The US corporate media didn’t want to tell the truth that the CIA killed Kennedy which is a very plausible and believable theory. Stone’s movie turns the theory from just a theory into a well-founded narrative revealing all the crimes, the cheating and pressure committed by the FBI and the CIA, as a matter of normal practice. The movie is reverting and as sexy as a documentary gets. Stone’s movie needs more public support and discussion. The media should no longer keep their heads in the sand for these facts.

Stone then shows that New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison’s investigation’s funding was cut off. He faced a lot of discrediting and smear efforts – anything to be stopped. He was asked to resign. His family faced psychological attacks. Garrison financed the investigation with his own funds. Garrison discovered that Shaw, Oswald, Ferre and everyone else involved were all CIA. Torture and political murder took place within the circle of all those involved.  

“Even the shooters don’t know who killed Kennedy”, is a memorable quote, underlying that Garrison did not find direct communication of conspiracy to kill the US President. Stone’s theory is that the JFK assassination was a black op carried out by the US establishment. Oswald as the lone killer was a fabricated story by the black op, and remains the official story of the Warren Report. The movie reveals that Oswald actually knew he was the patsy and that he would be blamed. There were no records of his interrogation. He didn’t get a lawyer. Then he got killed publicly as an enemy of the people. And case closed. The media takes it from there. The lie was solidified. Stone shares with the audience that Martin Luther King and Bobby Kennedy were also killed by those that want war.

JFK was dangerous to the establishment. He wanted to end the Cold War. He didn’t want to invade Cuba.  He was bad news for the war-hungry establishment who were happy to get rid of him. They killed him because he wanted to change things. Stone reveals the ugly truth about America and the American government. And his version is totally believable and plausible. The CIA, the FBI and the Pentagon conspired in coup d’état and Lyndon Jonson was waiting on the sidelines.

As the Cuban people are fighting for their rights today, it is worth remembering JFK’s leadership, and the way he stood up against the destructive US establishment when it came to Cuba. The US has been the most destructive force in Cuba. As we look at US policy towards Cuba today, it is clear that Biden is no JFK. Biden looks more like a Republican defending the embargo and less like the Democratic leader people would have wished to see.

Keeping in mind the events in Cuba today, JFK stood up against all the subversion by the US government in Cuba. A congressional investigation concluded that JFK was killed in a “probable conspiracy”, contradicting the Warren Report version. Stone dedicated the movie to “the young who will keep the fight alive”, underlying that it might take another generation for the JFK files to be unlocked and revealed.

https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2021/07/20/jfk-in-cannes-oliver-stone-puts-the-spotlight-on-the-us-establishment-for-the-murder-of-jfk/

 

 

 

[David G. Healy]

17 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

Micah, I am only speaking of the 2 hour version.

In the four hour one, we go into a lot of the medical evidence.

 

Perhaps the end all - be all?  Defining word and all that stuff? 

Thanks for turning a cleansing firehose on this mystery... To Oliver and you JimD., kudos! 

I remember standing on a corner on Tra Hung Dao St looking towards Hai Ba Trung (the Two Sisters statue) and Le Loi St's in downtown Saigon thinking, a damn Coup happened right here a mere 2 weeks ago.  So. Vietnam's Pres and Vice President were brutally murdered right here in Saigon/Cholon, I was thinking: WHAT? They actually caught this guy in Dallas in a few hours? Bull puckey.... we'll never know the entire JFK story, The real who nor the why.

We've taken some good step's towards resolution up to now, perhaps this is a GIANT step in that quest. Look forward to viewing both (2&4) documentaries.

Proud of you guys! Thanks!

[Micah Mileto]

An "end-all-be-all" to the medical evidence would be to A. create a perfect 3D model of the films taken in Dealey Plaza, and B. exhume JFK's body.

[David G. Healy]

11 hours ago, Micah Mileto said:

An "end-all-be-all" to the medical evidence would be to A. create a perfect 3D model of the films taken in Dealey Plaza, and B. exhume JFK's body.

I suggested the same (the films of Dealey Plaza) to Gary Mack some 20 years ago when 3D modeling software was in its infancy... and that made Dale *wanna see my EMMY* Myers a bit nervous... I was quite public about it. -- Made Dave Wimp a bit nervous too. Seems as though there were more than a few folks out there that could run apps like Myers used for his cartoon... Lightwave was the app Myers used and another was POV-RAY, which Wimp knew concerning 3D solids modeling -- a terrific Raytracer.

I doubt any film compilation 3D or otherwise that would be necessary these days. But to exhume? Well, that's another story. Nearly all Kennedy principals alive at the Nov '63 time are dead. I suspect that would at least make what seemed impossible years ago now possible? The body is the best evidence as my old pal David Lifton said long ago...

Edited July 21, 2021 by David G. Healy
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