Sirhan Sirhan seeks parole with no opposition from prosecutors

[Ron Bulman]

3 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

I guess this particular Kennedy has never really studied his fathers death.  Sirhan did not shoot his dad and inch away from behind his ear, from 10 feet in front of him.

Op-Ed: In assassinating my father, Sirhan committed a crime against America. He must not be released (msn.com)

He's a lawyer, who majored in history at Harvard.  I wonder what his brother RFK Jr. thinks of his comments.

This pisses me off.  Does he not want to know the Truth about what happened to his Father?  Does he know ostriches' don't Really stick their head in the sand?  Lisa Pease lives in the LA area if I remember right.  Maybe she should deliver a autographed copy of A Lie Too Big To Fail to his doorstep.  Escorted by Jim DiEugenio and RFK Jr. for emphasis. 

I guess the damage is already done.  A RFK son says Sirhan did it.  Why?  Professional Ignorance?  A competent LA Times would refute his opinion since they published it.

 

Edited August 29, 2021 by Ron Bulman

[Kirk Gallaway]

On 8/27/2021 at 4:57 PM, Richard Booth said:

I don't for a minute believe that Gavin Newsome will do that... He knows whats good for him...

This is good stuff! And not easy to predict.

1)Personally I don't think Newsome will be recalled.

2) I don't think this recall will interfere at all in his ambitions for higher office. Which is not to say, he'd be successful. He'll be trounced over and over again for  his dinner in Napa , as he should be. But a lot of it is sour grapes about the pandemic, and he's definitely made mistakes. But most people understand that's a hard thing for any politician to navigate,  but he comes out on the right side of history. Though the variant has complicated things in what was to be a cakewalk. Some think because of results in the UK and India, that it should peak within a couple of weeks in the U.S., but in California, it's confined mostly to rural, unvaccinated areas.

Jim's right, if he lets Sirhan go free, it won't be in any activist sense, he'll just say "let the will of the courts be done", and distance himself from any involvement, because he is an unabashed politician, and as Richard says, 1) the thing he least wants to do is entangle himself in a conspiracy theory. but 2 )it's not a good decision for the straight liberals who support him who believe that Sirhan did kill RFK, 3) He gains nothing with the moderate crowd, but looks like a bleeding heart liberal, which is not a good look for a liberal like Newsome.

heh heh.

 

[Richard Booth]

1 hour ago, Kirk Gallaway said:

This is good stuff! And not easy to predict.

1)Personally I don't think Newsome will be recalled.

2) I don't think this recall will interfere at all in his ambitions for higher office. Which is not to say, he'd be successful. He'll be trounced over and over again for  his dinner in Napa , as he should be. But a lot of it is sour grapes about the pandemic, and he's definitely made mistakes. But most people understand that's a hard thing for any politician to navigate,  but he comes out on the right side of history. Though the variant has complicated things in what was to be a cakewalk. Some think because of results in the UK and India, that it should peak within a couple of weeks in the U.S., but in California, it's confined mostly to rural, unvaccinated areas.

Jim's right, if he lets Sirhan go free, it won't be in any activist sense, he'll just say "let the will of the courts be done", and distance himself from any involvement, because he is an unabashed politician, and as Richard says, 1) the thing he least wants to do is entangle himself in a conspiracy theory. but 2 )it's not a good decision for the straight liberals who support him who believe that Sirhan did kill RFK, 3) He gains nothing with the moderate crowd, but looks like a bleeding heart liberal, which is not a good look for a liberal like Newsome.

heh heh.

 

Newsome definitely has ambitions for higher office. Because he's a scumbag, he won't do anything that could be viewed as a liability to himself ... and supporting Sirhan's release can only be a liability to him. Even if he says "I support the system, let their will be done" that will be construed as supporting Sirhan Sirhan.

It would be political suicide--he would only gain points among far-left radical progressives and marginalized groups. No gains anywhere else. For the vast majority of moderates and average liberals he certainly gains nothing, and it will give conservatives ammo to use against when he runs for President. Last thing he wants to see is the campaign TV commercial with pictures of RFK's corpse lying on the kitchen floor and having that tied to his insincere smiling face.

[Ron Bulman]

1 hour ago, Ron Bulman said:

This pisses me off.  Does he not want to know the Truth about what happened to his Father?  Does he know ostriches' don't Really stick their head in the sand?  Lisa Pease lives in the LA area if I remember right.  Maybe she should deliver a autographed copy of A Lie Too Big To Fail to his doorstep.  Escorted by Jim DiEugenio and RFK Jr. for emphasis. 

I guess the damage is already done.  A RFK son says Sirhan did it.  Why?  Professional Ignorance?  A competent LA Times would refute his opinion since they published it.

 

It still pisses me off.  Sirhan had Hope for the first time in 53 years.  He was a misled immigrant kid drugged and hypnotized by the CIA.  Which Mr. Kennedy's  Uncle wanted to splinter into pieces and toss to the winds.  What a dumbass. 

[Richard Booth]

1 hour ago, Ron Bulman said:

This pisses me off.  Does he not want to know the Truth about what happened to his Father?  Does he know ostriches' don't Really stick their head in the sand?  Lisa Pease lives in the LA area if I remember right.  Maybe she should deliver a autographed copy of A Lie Too Big To Fail to his doorstep.  Escorted by Jim DiEugenio and RFK Jr. for emphasis. 

I guess the damage is already done.  A RFK son says Sirhan did it.  Why?  Professional Ignorance?  A competent LA Times would refute his opinion since they published it.

When every major newspaper in the country shares a consensus, and every history book says Sirhan killed RFK, then it's very easy to believe that. Most people go with what the papers and history books say. If you don't, you're a "conspiracy theorist"

His brother RFK Jr. is widely viewed as a lunatic crackpot. He knows that's what he gets if he looks deeper.

[Richard Booth]

2 minutes ago, Ron Bulman said:

misled immigrant kid drugged and hypnotized 

100%

Perhaps the best example of operational use of MK/ULTRA / ARTICHOKE / BLUEBIRD techniques 

[Kirk Gallaway]

Richard said: it would be political suicide--he would only gain points among far-left radical progressives and marginalized groups. No gains anywhere else. For the vast majority of moderates and average liberals he certainly gains nothing, and it will give conservatives ammo to use against when he runs for President. Last thing he wants to see is the campaign TV commercial with pictures of RFK's corpse lying on the kitchen floor and having that tied to his insincere smiling face.

Richard, You're pretty much reiterating the political angle I was saying. But the way things have polarized now. I don't think Newsome would care what the Conservatives say about the Sirhan parole in Conservative ads in Red states, he'd just go for the blue states, but why would he take that unnecessary chance in moderate states?. There is no political pick up in Newsome not taking action. And you're probably right.

[Richard Booth]

53 minutes ago, Kirk Gallaway said:

Conservative ads in Red states

I was actually thinking of Democrat ads -- was thinking of what someone like Kamala Harris might have to say about it. It could harm him in the running from "friendly fire" in the running.

I think that Gavin Newsom, Steve Sisolak (Nevada's governor), and Gretchen Whitmer will all probably run for President one day. Now that Cuomo is out, they've each got a chance. Newsome isn't going to wreck that chance over Sirhan Sirhan

Edited August 29, 2021 by Richard Booth

[Ron Bulman]

9 minutes ago, Richard Booth said:

I was actually thinking of Democrat ads -- was thinking of what someone like Kamala Harris might have to say about it. It could harm him in the running from "friendly fire" in the running.

I think that Gavin Newsome, Steve Sisolak (Nevada's governor), and Gretchen Whitmer will all probably run for President one day. Now that Cuomo is out, they've each got a chance. Newsome isn't going to wreck that chance over Sirhan Sirhan

He would enhance his exposure supporting Sirhan, jmo.

[Richard Booth]

Just now, Ron Bulman said:

He would enhance his exposure supporting Sirhan, jmo.

Only among a very small set of people, it's marginalized groups who will get behind that. The vast majority of people would view it as Newsom supporting a murderer, supporting someone who killed one of the last sympathetic Democratic politicians we've had. 

Of course I would support him making the decision to back the parole board's decision and think it would show courage and morality. But that's me, not the majority of California or American voters.

[Paul Brancato]

Will the Governor have to make a decision before the recall?

as for support in a general presidential election, it might win him some support amongst the QAnon contingent. 

[Richard Booth]

2 hours ago, Paul Brancato said:

Will the Governor have to make a decision before the recall?

as for support in a general presidential election, it might win him some support amongst the QAnon contingent. 

Not before the recall, no:

"The parole board’s larger staff will review the recommendation for Sirhan’s release over the next 90 days before it is sent to Gov. Gavin Newsom, who then has 30 days to decide on whether to grant it."

If Newsom does get recalled, I wonder how long it is before he leaves office and his replacement takes over. 

[Ron Bulman]

Pretty much the final nail for Sirhan's hopes.

RFK wife Ethel Kennedy says assassin shouldn't be released (msn.com)

[Richard Booth]

23 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

Pretty much the final nail for Sirhan's hopes.

RFK wife Ethel Kennedy says assassin shouldn't be released (msn.com)

Let's hope not. Let us wait and see, either way there will be controversy. 

I don't think that Newsom will be willing to take the political heat for letting Sirhan out of prison, but you never know. Maybe this recall effort will show him that he can't take his position in life for granted and maybe he should do something worthwhile for a change.

[Joseph McBride]

I saw Sirhan's attorney, Angela Berry, react this morning on CNN. The network repeatedly called

Sirhan RFK's assassin and only in passing mentioned that RFK Jr. questioned

that he was guilty of that crime. Berry in her interview acknowledged the feelings of Ethel Kennedy and

the children who oppose Sirhan's release but said we are a nation of laws, not emotions.

The newsy takeaway was that Berry said even if Newsom rejects parole,

they plan to challenge it in court.