W. Tracy Parnell Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Jim Hargrove said: Of course not, but there were many witness who knew a "Lee Harvey Oswald" could drive a car and even some who knew he had a Texas driver's license. Whatever you do, DO NOT follow the link below to see just how many people said "Oswald" DID drive. The Man Who Could--And Couldn't--Drive The article you linked to says it best: "Marina Oswald, Robert Oswald and Ruth and Michael Paine all told the Warren Commission in no uncertain terms that Lee Harvey Oswald did not drive an automobile and did not have a driver's license." These were the people who knew him best and I believe them. Yes, I know-you think they were "in on it." So, you and I (and the other H&L devotees) are not in agreement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Hargrove Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 Although she was forced to say many things, Marina Oswald clearly was NOT "in on it." The document that Steve Thomas posted on the first page of this thread indicated "Lee Harvey Oswald" (or someone posing as him) entered and departed Mexico driving a car. Several years ago, David Josephs demonstrated quite nicely how the whole Mexican bus thing likely was invented and he showed how it was done. Literally dozens of people knew and said that "Lee Harvey Oswald" drove automobiles. Many of them are quoted, some under oath, here: https://harveyandlee.net/Driving/Drive.htm And speaking, as we are, of documents... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Cohen Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 20 minutes ago, Jim Hargrove said: Although she was forced to say many things, Marina Oswald clearly was NOT "in on it." But Robert Oswald was? And so were all the different Marguerites? No wonder this theory is the laughing stock of the JFK assassination community. You guys can’t even agree on who and how many doppelgängers were running around Dallas in the early 1960s! Meanwhile, what does John Butler have to say about Mr. Hargrove’s strong statement above re: Marina? In another thread this week, he insisted she was a key part of the “Harvey and Lee” plot… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Hargrove Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 The Warren Report is the biggest laughing stock among JFK researchers I'm aware of. Will Jonathan Cohen attack the Warren Report? Let's hear some REAL CRITICISM about the Warren Report! No? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James DiEugenio Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 (edited) Jim is correct about what David Josephs has done with the whole Mexico City charade about buses. Part of it is in the current issue of garrison. Not only did the bus transfers not match up, the bus lines did not. You are not going to tell me Hoover did not know this. He did. That is why he wrote in the marginalia that the CIA had dumped a BS story about Oswald in Mexico City on his lap. Whatever one thinks about Harvey and Lee, John Armstrong's chapter on Mexico City is one of the best there is. That the Commission and the FBI let that pile of rubbish be printed in the WR is an utter disgrace. And as David points out, in garrison, Slawson likely knew it was BS and covered for the CIA. Edited December 18, 2021 by James DiEugenio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Hargrove Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 41 minutes ago, James DiEugenio said: Whatever one thinks about Harvey and Lee, John Armstrong's chapter on Mexico City is one of the best there is. Thanks, Jim. Do you have any doubt that JA's & DJ's report on "Oswald" in Mexico City is among the best research that still exists? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Cohen Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 2 hours ago, Jim Hargrove said: The Warren Report is the biggest laughing stock among JFK researchers I'm aware of. Will Jonathan Cohen attack the Warren Report? Let's hear some REAL CRITICISM about the Warren Report! No? You can read criticism about the Warren Report on thousands of threads on this message board. THIS thread was supposed to be at the new document releases. YOU are the one who introduced your usual "Harvey and Lee" baloney into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Allison Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 it says Oswald arrived by car, not that he drove. Whose car would he have driven if he drove himself to Mexico? Where was he keeping the car? Nowhere, because he didn't drive himself there. The likely scenario was that he was driven to the border, and took a bus from that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Ness Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 3 hours ago, Matt Allison said: it says Oswald arrived by car, not that he drove. Whose car would he have driven if he drove himself to Mexico? Where was he keeping the car? Nowhere, because he didn't drive himself there. The likely scenario was that he was driven to the border, and took a bus from that point. I think the docs don't eliminate the possibility that someone drove him over either. Isn't that right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Blank Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 On 12/15/2021 at 4:03 PM, James DiEugenio said: Steve: Do you really think this was Oswald? at least one of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Thomas Posted December 18, 2021 Author Share Posted December 18, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, Martin Blank said: at least one of them Martin, https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2021/docid-32341711.pdf How did the CIA know that the voice, known to be Oswald's, was identical to the voice on the October 1 tape? Who in the CIA was familiar with Oswald's voice? FEEDING PERSISTENT SUSPICIONS By Walter Pincus November 16, 1993 https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1993/11/16/feeding-persistent-suspicions/c2d3f186-19d0-4a6e-bca2-6e65fb5c1057/ “The morning after the Nov. 22, 1963, assassination of President John F. Kennedy, his successor in the White House, Lyndon B. Johnson, was told by FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover that the bureau had "the tape and the photograph" of a man who "claimed" to be Lee Harvey Oswald visiting the Soviet Embassy in Mexico City less than two months before the murder. "That's one angle that's very confusing," Hoover said. "That picture and the tape do not correspond to this man's {Oswald's} voice, nor to his appearance. In other words, it appears that there is a second person who was at the Soviet Embassy down there."” Steve Thomas Edited December 18, 2021 by Steve Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Hancock Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 Steve, its just possible they could have done it with a frequency spectrum analysis if they had a voice recording of Oswald from any source to compare patterns....that might explain the reference to a technical operations source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Allison Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 Larry- my impression was that "technical operations" was just their euphemism for phone taps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Cohen Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, Matt Allison said: Larry- my impression was that "technical operations" was just their euphemism for phone taps. Oswald was recorded during political debates in New Orleans in the summer of 1963, and there's no reason to assume these recordings weren't known of and/or made available to authorities at that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Hargrove Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 2 hours ago, Steve Thomas said: "That's one angle that's very confusing," Hoover said. "That picture and the tape do not correspond to this man's {Oswald's} voice, nor to his appearance. In other words, it appears that there is a second person who was at the Soviet Embassy down there."” Exactly. Here's the document page: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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