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21 hours ago, W. Niederhut said:

    The girl in the polka dress was, evidently, working for William Bryan, Jolyon West, or whoever programmed Sirhan to act as a patsy/decoy.   

W, There are so many witnesses from the Ambassador, in the pantry, in the bar, + Serrano, many who saw the polka-dot dress girl with Sirhan that night & who witnesses her escape after the shooting with words "We shot him" or "We got him".

It is some years back that I read 'The Polka Dot File' written by late L.A. based journalist Fernando Faura.  In the book he names the polka dot dress girl as one Gilda or Gildeen Oppenheimer who he links with Anna Chennault a.k.a. Anna Chan. Faura's investigation for 'Life' magazine was linking Chennault to V.P. Spiro Agnew & presidential candidate Richard Nixon as well as Texan senator John Tower...until higher forces closed down Life's investigation for reasons of 'National Security'.

I cannot recall if I learned from Faura's book, or another source, that Oppenheimer was married to a CIA guy, who would never allow her to wear the said dress.

Apologies for the vague memory, as John Lennon said, "As you get a little bit older you get a little bit slower."  I'm sure other Forum contributors can furnish further details. 

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59 minutes ago, Pete Mellor said:

I cannot recall if I learned from Faura's book, or another source, that Oppenheimer was married to a CIA guy, who would never allow her to wear the said dress.

Was Elayn or Elaine Neal also attributed to have been the polka dot dress girl? I vaguely remember something about her husband at the time saying she wore the dress on the anniversaries. There was something notable about the girls nose I think. 

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59 minutes ago, Chris Barnard said:

Was Elayn or Elaine Neal also attributed to have been the polka dot dress girl? I vaguely remember something about her husband at the time saying she wore the dress on the anniversaries. There was something notable about the girls nose I think. 

Yes, pages 285-291 'The Assassination of Robert F. Kennedy'  Tim Tate & Brad Johnson.  So, I think I'm mixing the two books.  Elaine Neal's husband was with CIA.

You wait ages then two come along at once!

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5 hours ago, Pete Mellor said:

W, There are so many witnesses from the Ambassador, in the pantry, in the bar, + Serrano, many who saw the polka-dot dress girl with Sirhan that night & who witnesses her escape after the shooting with words "We shot him" or "We got him".

It is some years back that I read 'The Polka Dot File' written by late L.A. based journalist Fernando Faura.  In the book he names the polka dot dress girl as one Gilda or Gildeen Oppenheimer who he links with Anna Chennault a.k.a. Anna Chan. Faura's investigation for 'Life' magazine was linking Chennault to V.P. Spiro Agnew & presidential candidate Richard Nixon as well as Texan senator John Tower...until higher forces closed down Life's investigation for reasons of 'National Security'.

I cannot recall if I learned from Faura's book, or another source, that Oppenheimer was married to a CIA guy, who would never allow her to wear the said dress.

Apologies for the vague memory, as John Lennon said, "As you get a little bit older you get a little bit slower."  I'm sure other Forum contributors can furnish further details. 

She was, obviously, a key player in Sirhan's historic Manchurian candidacy.

She guided Sirhan into his position in the pantry, then tapped on his elbow and pinched him to switch him into "range mode" as RFK approached.

Not surprising to hear about her apparent links to people in the CIA and the future Nixon administration.

After all, Nixon was a key beneficiary of RFK's murder.

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      Here's an interesting paper published by MIT in 2011 that includes multiple references to Dr. Wiilliam Joseph Bryan's life and theories about the forensic uses of hypnosis.  A good read, with a lot of social history about popular conceptions of hypnosis in the Cold War era, but no further clues about Bryan's possible involvement in the Sirhan case.

Manchurian Candidates: Forensic Hypnosis in the Cold War

Manchurian Candidates: Forensic Hypnosis in The Cold War | PDF | Hypnosis | Memory (scribd.com)

Below: William J. Bryan demonstrating a visual hypnotic technique.  July, 19621-c624177f66.jpg

 

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I will say this.

If Sirhan was a Manchurian candidate, in some ways it shows how difficult the process is.

Not only was Sirhan highly susceptible to hypnotic programming, it appears he was guided right up to the final moment by the polka-dot dress girl, and was liquored up before-hand. In addition, she may have lured him with promises of sexual favors. 

This is entirely a different scenario from programming someone, and sending them to a foreign land, where some trigger sets them off to do a deed weeks or months after the hypnotic suggestion. 

This may be why there is, AFAIK, not a single, classic documented Manchurian candidate on the record. 

Sirhan looks programmed...but watched and tended and triggered right into the very moment of the act...

Indeed, the polka-dot dress girl may well have hypnotized Sirhan in the very moments before he started shooting...

 

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45 minutes ago, Benjamin Cole said:

I will say this.

If Sirhan was a Manchurian candidate, in some ways it shows how difficult the process is.

Not only was Sirhan highly susceptible to hypnotic programming, it appears he was guided right up to the final moment by the polka-dot dress girl, and was liquored up before-hand. In addition, she may have lured him with promises of sexual favors. 

This is entirely a different scenario from programming someone, and sending them to a foreign land, where some trigger sets them off to do a deed weeks or months after the hypnotic suggestion. 

This may be why there is, AFAIK, not a single, classic documented Manchurian candidate on the record. 

Sirhan looks programmed...but watched and tended and triggered right into the very moment of the act...

Indeed, the polka-dot dress girl may well have hypnotized Sirhan in the very moments before he started shooting...

 

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A thought.  Polk A dot dress girl went up the stairs with Sirhan and another guy per Sandy Serrano.  

So she didn't just meet him inside.  She and the other guy were escorting him back inside from his trip to his car, planning to leave, but feeling too drunk (?) to drive.  Hmm.

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1 hour ago, Ron Bulman said:

A thought.  Polk A dot dress girl went up the stairs with Sirhan and another guy per Sandy Serrano.  

So she didn't just meet him inside.  She and the other guy were escorting him back inside from his trip to his car, planning to leave, but feeling too drunk (?) to drive.  Hmm.

Could be. I suspect the polka-dot dress girl "put Sirhan under" in the very moments before the shooting. That is the only way this programming mumbo-jumbo can work. 

I suspect Sirhan had real bullets in his gun. But somebody shot from RFK from behind. There may have been someone with gun-with-silencer under a magazine, also. 

Thane Cesar? Who knows? 

The fact that Sirhan was carrying a gun at all is curious. Did the polka-dot dress girl give it to him? 

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10 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said:

Could be. I suspect the polka-dot dress girl "put Sirhan under" in the very moments before the shooting. That is the only way this programming mumbo-jumbo can work. 

I suspect Sirhan had real bullets in his gun. But somebody shot from RFK from behind. There may have been someone with gun-with-silencer under a magazine, also. 

Thane Cesar? Who knows? 

The fact that Sirhan was carrying a gun at all is curious. Did the polka-dot dress girl give it to him? 

Ben,

   IMO, the girl in the polka dress probably functioned as an erstwhile stage assistant, to cue Sirhan's post-hypnotic compulsions at the Ambassador Hotel.  She was not the hypnotist.

   I suspect that Bryan had programed Sirhan, under hypnosis, to go to the bar at the Ambassador Hotel, where he would encounter and socialize with an attractive girl in a polka dress, etc.  Her function was to position him in the pantry, then cue the "range mode" alter by tapping twice on his elbow and pinching him.  He would have been programmed to have total amnesia for the instructions about going to the hotel to meet her.

   He must have fired blanks, because the people who staged the assassination didn't want Sirhan to shoot the actual assassin(s) with real bullets.  That ballistics data is described in detail in Lisa Pease's analysis.

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7 hours ago, W. Niederhut said:

Ben,

   IMO, the girl in the polka dress probably functioned as an erstwhile stage assistant, to cue Sirhan's post-hypnotic compulsions at the Ambassador Hotel.  She was not the hypnotist.

   I suspect that Bryan had programed Sirhan, under hypnosis, to go to the bar at the Ambassador Hotel, where he would encounter and socialize with an attractive girl in a polka dress, etc.  Her function was to position him in the pantry, then cue the "range mode" alter by tapping twice on his elbow and pinching him.  He would have been programmed to have total amnesia for the instructions about going to the hotel to meet her.

   He must have fired blanks, because the people who staged the assassination didn't want Sirhan to shoot the actual assassin(s) with real bullets.  That ballistics data is described in detail in Lisa Pease's analysis.

Well, I certainly can't prove the polka-dot dress girl hypnotized Sirhan afresh just before the shooting. But everyone seems to say Sirhan was extremely susceptible to hypnosis, and even amateurs had hypnotized him (in the horse stables). Ergo, maybe she also hypnotized him, using techniques in which she had been instructed...and that built on, or invigorated, the prior programming. 

I will read Pease's work, if I can find it. Of course, there is a flaw in that plan, as in if the gun is wrested away from Sirhan before all eight shots are fired and found to contain blanks....

In any event, the Sirhan case may explain why there appears to be no real life documented cases of a Manchurian candidate (and I will happily stand corrected if one can be found). 

In the Sirhan case we had an individual considered nearly perfect to be a Manchurian candidate, and yet he had to be manipulated right up to the final moment (after being liquored up) by a very attractive female.

So yes, a patsy can be created with programming, under near-perfect conditions. 

Sending a programmed individual overseas to conduct a mission weeks or months later after the last hypnosis session...I wonder if that has ever worked. 

 

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26 minutes ago, Benjamin Cole said:

Well, I certainly can't prove the polka-dot dress girl hypnotized Sirhan afresh just before the shooting. But everyone seems to say Sirhan was extremely susceptible to hypnosis, and even amateurs had hypnotized him (in the horse stables). Ergo, maybe she also hypnotized him, using techniques in which she had been instructed...and that built on, or invigorated, the prior programming. 

I will read Pease's work, if I can find it. Of course, there is a flaw in that plan, as in if the gun is wrested away from Sirhan before all eight shots are fired and found to contain blanks....

In any event, the Sirhan case may explain why there appears to be no real life documented cases of a Manchurian candidate (and I will happily stand corrected if one can be found). 

In the Sirhan case we had an individual considered nearly perfect to be a Manchurian candidate, and yet he had to be manipulated right up to the final moment (after being liquored up) by a very attractive female.

So yes, a patsy can be created with programming, under near-perfect conditions. 

Sending a programmed individual overseas to conduct a mission weeks or months later after the last hypnosis session...I wonder if that has ever worked. 

 

Well, I'll say it again, Ben.  Perhaps the third time will be the charm.  🤥

In Sirhan's case, all of the hypnotic programming was most likely completed before he ever went to the Ambassador Hotel to meet the person who was the stage assistant in the assassination op-- the Girl in the Polka Dot Dress.

Part of what you don't seem to understand is that people will act on post-hypnotic compulsions (like Sirhan climbing on the bars of his cell for Bernard Diamond) even when they are not in a trance state.  But they will have amnesia for the programming if amnesia was suggested under hypnosis.  Ergo, Sirhan was probably pre-programmed to go to the Ambassador Hotel where he would meet and socialize with an attractive woman in a polka dot dress.  He probably had total amnesia for his instructions.

She then activated a pre-programmed dissociated alter ego state, "range mode," with the aforementioned cues that Dr. Daniel Brown identified.

As for tracking the MK-ULTRA Manchurian candidate "technology," if you read John Marks' 1979 analysis in The Search For the Manchurian Candidate, the CIA records were destroyed and the "Manchurian candidate" paper trail at the CIA disappeared.  (Marks didn't even mention Dr. William Bryan, who had, allegedly, been involved in ARTICHOKE and MK-ULTRA.)  However, we know that the technique was feasible because of the Sirhan case, the Morse Allen, and the Bjorn Nielsen cases.

We also know (from Marks) that James Angleton was keenly interested in the use of hypnosis in espionage and counterintelligence. 

I'm curious about the James Earl Ray, Arthur Bremer, and John Hinckley cases, but I need to do some remedial reading.

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On 2/17/2022 at 9:35 PM, Chris Barnard said:


I find the end of this recorded parole hearing just appalling. Dr Brown does get mentioned and cited as an expert. 

I'd seen a short part of this video in I believe the one you posted of Dr. Brown and Attorney Laurie Dusek. The last few minutes are certainly appalling.  As they developed I first got pissed off, then sad.  The guy talking to Sirhan is a royal fuking asshole.  

The one redeeming thing I found in in this procedure is that Sirhan seems to have come to a partial understanding of what happened to him as a result of Dr. Browns work.  But the bigger picture is still saddening. 

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