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I'd like to comment on two points. Firstly, the derailing of this thread to promote a nonsensical, far-fetched theory that almost no-one believes, and secondly the actual topic of the thread.

Armstrong's theory is incoherent. His imaginary double-doppelganger project, which supposedly began in the late 1940s or early 1950s, was set up for one specific reason: to produce, several years in the future, a false defector who had a plausible American background and a sufficient knowledge of Russian to allow him to understand what was going on around him in the Soviet Union.

According to Armstrong's theory, the two requirements were satisfied by recruiting two unrelated people who would share the same name. The need for a genuine American background was satisfied by recruiting a genuine American boy and his mother, and maintaining their household for a decade or so. The need for someone with a reasonable understanding of Russian was satisfied by recruiting a native Russian-speaking boy, along with a woman who would act as his mother, and maintaining that household for a decade or so.

As if all of that isn't improbable enough, the theory required the Russian-speaking boy to forget most of his Russian, the very skill for which he was recruited in the first place, so that he had to teach himself the language again just before his false defection was due. It's nonsense.

The theory is not only incoherent but unnecessary. There was no need to set up such a ridiculously complicated scheme. All that was necessary was to recruit a genuine American with a knack for languages, then get him up to speed in Russian during the several years that were available. There would have been more than enough suitable Americans to fill this role.

The problem is that no-one has been able to explain why the vastly more complicated solution would have been chosen. Armstrong doesn't explain it in his book, as far as I'm aware, though if anyone can supply a page reference I'll be happy to be corrected (but please do so on another thread, not this one).

I've mentioned the problem in several threads on this forum, and none of the diminishing band of 'Harvey and Lee' acolytes have come up with an answer either. See, for example:

https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/26056-evidence-for-harvey-and-lee-please-debate-the-specifics-right-here-dont-just-claim-someone-else-has-debunked-it/?do=findComment&comment=429433

Every time I mention it, they run away, which suggests that no good explanation exists. If anyone has any ideas about why such a complicated long-term double-doppelganger project would have been set up, please visit one of the numerous 'Harvey and Lee' threads and do so there, not here.

Bernie Laverick had something to say about the lack of support Armstrong's theory has acquired despite more than 20 years of promotion:

You do know that more people believe that the Queen of England is a lizard than believe in H&L? In fact, I'd go further, more people would probably rather accept that she was one of the shooters than accept this relentless trolling disguised as a risible theory, one that relies on deliberate falsification and mistruths, and whose sole design is to divert, confuse, and slow down the search for the truth.

(http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/23677-a-couple-of-real-gems-from-the-harvey-and-lee-website/?do=findComment&comment=362658)

Again: if anyone wants to promote the double-doppelganger nonsense, please don't do it on this thread.

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As for Steve's original question, Greg Parker has something to say here:

https://reopenkennedycase.forumotion.net/t2567-which-came-first

Greg points out that Roy Truly could not have reported Oswald missing until 12.45 at the earliest, when Oswald's lunch break ended. It may be significant that Officer Kaminski was not placed on guard duty at the front door of the book depository until shortly after 12.45.

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4 hours ago, Jeremy Bojczuk said:

Again: if anyone wants to promote the double-doppelganger nonsense, please don't do it on this thread.

Mr. B. has specialized in trying to debunk the Harvey and Lee Menace® for years. He does it again here and then declares no one else can debate his conclusions, at least not in this thread.  I don’t think I’ll follow that demand, though I do apologize to Steve Thomas for this….

To see what has Mr. B. so upset, please feel free to visit the website that John Armstrong and I run.

HarveyandLee.net

I should add that, of all the books and videos that have come out in recent years based on Harvey and Lee, the most complete and easy-to-understand is Dr. George Schwimmer’s DOPPELGANGER, The Legend of Lee Harvey Oswald.

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This best-selling book is now in its sixth edition, the latest version published in April 2022. Here’s the full publishers description.

Sixth Edition, with proof that Harvey Oswald was CIA, April, 2022.....THE GREATEST MURDER MYSTERY IN UNITED STATES HISTORY - THE ENIGMA OF LEE HARVEY OSWALD - HAS BEEN SOLVED! TWO ‘LEE HARVEY OSWALDS’ WERE AT THE TEXAS SCHOOL BOOK DEPOSITORY ON NOVEMBER 22, 1963 – ONE WAS AN ASSASSIN ON THE SIXTH FLOOR, THE OTHER WAS A PATSY DOWNSTAIRS ON THE FRONT STEPS!.... Mysteries within mysteries, halls of mirrors, among which is how four assassins, including Lee Oswald, escaped from the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository, and the real reason that Lee Oswald was a shooter in the TSBD building…. The photographs on the cover show the right side of Lee Oswald's face (from a 1959 passport photo of 'Lee Harvey Oswald') and the left side of the face of 'Harvey Oswald' (from his Dallas booking photo in 1963), revealing that these were two different men!.....The key to JFK’s assassination is not the guilt of Lee Oswald, a CIA contract agent – he was guilty of conspiracy, treason and murder – but the innocence of ‘Harvey Oswald,’ an employee of the Texas School Book Depository and an agent of the Office of Naval Intelligence (ONI), the CIA and the FBI, who was murdered by Jack Ruby. Harvey’s innocence demonstrates that there indeed was a conspiracy to murder John Fitzgerald Kennedy.....There are 117 photographs/maps/floor plans, showing where everything took place on November 22 in Dallas, including a blowup of Harvey in the TSBD doorway, as well as a blowup of the face of the man in the “backyard photo,” clearly showing the picture was a forgery. There also are several photographs of the two “Marguerite Oswalds” and the two “Lee Harvey Oswalds,” revealing the doubles.....Exposed also are the lies of Dallas police, the CIA (demonstrating that “Lee Harvey Oswald” never went to the Cuban Consulate and the Soviet Embassy in Mexico City), the FBI (showing ‘Harvey’ and family never lived on Neely Street in Dallas), the Warren Commission, which altered much testimony to comply with its “lone nut” assertion, as well as the lies of several witnesses.....More than 300 sources, including many sworn testimonies & affidavits, were consulted, as well as John Armstrong’s massive research project HARVEY AND LEE. One fact led to another, until a coherent picture began to emerge from the immense pile of puzzle pieces…. That picture includes the background of Harvey as a juvenile immigrant fluent in Russian, and the creation of the second ‘Lee Harvey Oswald’ and the second ‘Marguerite Oswald.’ The picture continues with the recruitment of both Lee Oswald and Harvey Oswald by the ONI and the CIA, followed by Harvey’s assumption of Lee’s identity, his ‘defection’ to Russia, and Lee’s involvement with the Cuban revolution and the CIA.....The legend expands into New Orleans, where Harvey is “sheep-dipped” to seem like a fervent pro-Castro sympathizer and where he begins to be sucked into the Kennedy assassination plot by his renegade CIA handlers. Finally, unable to control his destiny, he winds up on the steps of the Dallas School Book Depository, while Lee Oswald is inside on the sixth floor shooting at the president.....Harvey’s whereabouts on November 22, 1963 are tracked minute by minute, showing that he could not have been where the Warren Commission claimed he was. In the end, of course, Harvey was murdered by the same cabal that killed JFK and was falsely accused by the Warren Commission, the FBI, and the CIA of being a killer and traitor, when it was his accusers who were the killers and traitors.....Once you’ve read this account, you will never again believe that ‘Harvey Oswald’ shot President Kennedy. Read the free sample.....63,800 words.

Now, since this is a thread about the bus and taxi ride and the Nash Rambler, it is interesting to note the vast amount of evidence there is that supports both versions.  See John Armstrong's write-up on how two LHOs left the Texas School Book Depository that tragic day, one from the west side of the building and the other from the north side.

Harvey and Lee Depart the TSBD

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7 hours ago, Jeremy Bojczuk said:

I'd like to comment on two points. Firstly, the derailing of this thread to promote a nonsensical, far-fetched theory that almost no-one believes, and secondly the actual topic of the thread.

Armstrong's theory is incoherent. His imaginary double-doppelganger project, which supposedly began in the late 1940s or early 1950s, was set up for one specific reason: to produce, several years in the future, a false defector who had a plausible American background and a sufficient knowledge of Russian to allow him to understand what was going on around him in the Soviet Union.

Why?  You derail threads all the time with your outrageous, non-factual claims and bold, meaningless assertions such as those above.  You derail threads all the time with your vicious insults and ad hominem attacks which you call humor.  Can you prove this "incoherent" idea with facts rather than simple statements and assumptions that you think everyone agrees with. 

Well, I would imagine that spy folks do much worse than a false defector program that was first conceived at the beginning of the Cold War.  Refugees were available, why not use them at a later time.  What about things like the Gulf of Tonkin and the Northwoods plan and many other things like that.  Those two were of the same period.  One against Cuba and the other started the Viet Nam war in a larger way.

The decision makers in WWII did horrible and terrible things to win the war.  Check out the fire bombing of Dresden in Germany.  They didn't need an atom bomb.  Those in power after the war did the same kind of decision making.  It resulted in killing a president.  A regime change as it is called.

 

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2 hours ago, Jim Hargrove said:

Now, since this is a thread about the bus and taxi ride and the Nash Rambler, it is interesting to note the vast amount of evidence there is that supports both versions.  See John Armstrong's write-up on how two LHOs left the Texas School Book Depository that tragic day, one from the west side of the building and the other from the north side.

What Jeremy doesn't understand is talking about the bus and taxi ride leads naturally to Roger Craig's testimony.  And, that introduces two Oswalds at the TSBD.  Hence, Harvey and Lee information is natural to this thread.  

Once you sort out those things involving the cab and bus rides and Roger Craig, you will need to look at the larger picture in which the two stories occurred.  If you take the witnesses and evidence at face value as you should since they has not been contradicted, then the larger picture involves why were two Oswalds at the TSBD.  And, of course this involves the story of Harvey and Lee.

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3 hours ago, Jim Hargrove said:

Mr. B. has specialized in trying to debunk the Harvey and Lee Menace® for years.

Not only that, but anything anti-Warren Commission, anti-Zapruder film, or any other so-called conspiracy theories.   

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7 hours ago, Jeremy Bojczuk said:

As if all of that isn't improbable enough, the theory required the Russian-speaking boy to forget most of his Russian, the very skill for which he was recruited in the first place, so that he had to teach himself the language again just before his false defection was due. It's nonsense.

This is an example of Jeremy's outrageous claims that lack any basis in fact or reality.  Where's the proof of this?  Where is the language or psychological authority for saying this?  What professional studies point this out?

A birth language is never really forgotten if learned by age 5.  It can be recalled and improved.  I can't recall the source for this, but it was probably learned in Psychology or Education classes many years ago.  

 

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1 hour ago, Michael Crane said:

So,Oswald got off of the bus because of the traffic & then got into a taxi.Wouldn't this taxi be subject to the same traffic conditions?

Michael,

The bus was on Elm, headed directly for Dealey Plaza. The cab was a couple of blocks south of the Plaza and headed southwest - away from all the hubub.

William Whaley's testimony is here and he describes his route. You can cross reference it against Google Maps.

https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/whaley1.htm

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John Butler doesn't seem to like the idea of his faith-based beliefs being questioned, does he? He writes:

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This is an example of Jeremy's outrageous claims that lack any basis in fact or reality.

This is what John finds outrageous:

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the theory required the Russian-speaking boy to forget most of his Russian, the very skill for which he was recruited in the first place

That's what the double-doppelganger theory claims. John is correct: it is outrageous and has no basis in fact or reality.

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Where's the proof of this?  Where is the language or psychological authority for saying this?  What professional studies point this out?

I'm not sure why John thinks any "professional studies" would go anywhere near the 'Harvey and Lee' nonsense. I suppose professional psychologists might find it an instructive case study.

If John really wants to debate the 'Harvey and Lee' nonsense yet again, he really should do so on one of the dozens of threads dedicated to this incoherent, self-contradictory and laughably far-fetched drivel.

He could start by answering the central question I raised in my comment above, a question that has been raised many times and that no 'Harvey and Lee' believer has yet answered. Here is one of those threads in which I described this fundamental problem with the theory:

https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/26056-evidence-for-harvey-and-lee-please-debate-the-specifics-right-here-dont-just-claim-someone-else-has-debunked-it/?do=findComment&comment=429433

Why would anyone have set up a long-term doppelganger project when they would have had a far simpler solution available? Please deal with that question on that thread, not this one.

This thread's question, of whether the bus or the car came first, only matters if the bus story is accurate. The notion that Oswald was on that bus is a central feature of the Warren Commission's theory (and of the 'Harvey and Lee' theory too, naturally), and like every central aspect of those closely related theories, it isn't supported by any strong evidence.

If the 'Harvey and Lee' believers want to convince the rest of us that any of the three or four Oswald doppelgangers were on that bus, they need to demonstrate it and not just parrot the Warren Commission's account. The same goes for the other central claims they share with the Warren Commission: they need to demonstrate that Oswald was on the sixth floor during the assassination, and that Oswald shot Officer Tippit, and not just assume that the Warren Commission was correct. But don't do it on this thread, please!

Lee Farley seems to have been the first person to seriously question the supposed bus journey:

https://reopenkennedycase.forumotion.net/t1121-oswald-and-bus-1213

Gil Jesus points out problems with the witnesses here:

https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/27429-the-bus-ride/

For a more plausible scenario, and links to several other discussions of the supposed bus journey, see:

https://reopenkennedycase.forumotion.net/t1639-why-the-bus-escape

The moral of the story is: don't try to squeeze every piece of evidence into some all-encompassing conspiracy theory. Before you know it, you'll have invented a collection of imaginary doppelgangers and you'll look very silly.

Plenty of aspects of the assassination can be plausibly explained in other ways, without having to swallow the lone-nut idea. The supposed bus journey, for example, can be explained as an ex post facto means to get Oswald to the rooming house (in which he may not actually have been staying) to pick up a gun (which he may not actually have owned) and get to Tenth Street in time to shoot Tippit (which may not actually have had anything at all to do with the JFK assassination).

The simpler a conspiracy theory is, the more credible it is.

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The evidence that one Oswald was picked up by a Nash Rambler station wagon at almost exactly the same time another Oswald boarded McWatters’ bus is strong. 

NASH RAMBLER OSWALD

Wearing a white T-shirt, as seen by Mrs Reid inside the TSBD, Lee Oswald walked thru the office and then walked down the stairway at the front of the building to the first floor lobby. He then walked thru the double doors leading to the warehouse, turned left, walked thru an overhead door on the west side of the building, onto the loading dock, and down the stairs to the railroad tracks  (see below). LEE Oswald then walked across the Elm Street extension, hurried down the grassy knoll, and got into the Nash Rambler station wagon at 12:40 pm (seen by Roger Craig, Marvin Robinson, Roy Cooper, Mrs. Helen Forrest).

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BUS AND TAXI OSWALD
 

Wearing a long-sleeved brown shirt and carrying a light blue/grey jacket, Harvey Oswald walked out the back of the TSBD onto the loading dock, walked down the steps on the east side of the building (on Houston Street), and began walking toward Elm St. and then south on Houston St.  Wesley Frazier, who said that he was talking with some women a few minutes after the shooting at the corner of Elm and Houston, saw Oswald as he walked south on Houston St. Frazier says that he saw Oswald cross Houston St., begin walking east on Elm St., and disappeared into the crowd. CLICK HERE for Wesley Frazier interview (starts at 33:00).

During his first interrogation, which began at 2:20 PM--only one-half hour after his arrest-- (HARVEY) Oswald told Capt. Fritz, in the presence of Det. Elmer Boyd, Det. M.G. Hall, Det. Richard Sims, and FBI Agents Bookhout and Hosty, that he rode a bus home. Later that afternoon the police found a bus transfer in Oswald's shirt pocket and soon interviewed bus driver Cecil McWatters. The following day, at 10:30 AM, (HARVEY) Oswald was again interrogated by Capt Fritz in the presence of SS Agent Thomas Kelley, FBI agent Jim Bookhout, US Marshall Robert Nash, SA David Grant, SAIC Forrest Sorrels, Det. Elmer Boyd, and Det M.G. Hall. Harvey Oswald again said that he rode a bus and secured a bus transfer (which was removed from his shirt pocket by Det. Sims the previous day). A total of seventeen people, including a Secret Service Agent, a US Marshall, FBI Agents, DPD Detectives, and Capt Fritz were present during interrogations when  (HARVEY) Oswald said that he rode a bus. Twelve people were present during interrogations when (HARVEY) Oswald said that he had obtained a bus transfer.

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U.S. Army employee Stuart Reed took pictures of the front and back of a bus like McWatters’ approaching the TSBD along with the TSBD building itself (including the “sniper’s nest”) and, even more remarkably, captures shots of Harvey Oswald being dragged out of the Texas Theater.

When the bus got stuck in traffic, Harvey got off and got a ride in William Whaley’s taxi.

Mr. Ball: About 12:30 that day where were you?

Mr. Whaley:....I just pulled up about 30 feet to the [taxi] stand and stopped and then I wanted a package of cigarettes, I was out so I started to get out and I saw this passenger coming so I waited for him...He was walking south on Lamar from Commerce when I saw him....He didn't talk. He wasn't in any hurry. He wasn't nervous or anything. He was dressed in just ordinary work clothes. It wasn't khaki pants but they were khaki material, blue faded blue color....The t-shirt was a little soiled around the collar but the bottom part of it was white....Then he had on a brown shirt with a little silverlike stripe on it and he had on some kind of jacket, I didn't notice very close but I think it was a work jacket that almost matched the pants [grey color]....That jacket now it might have been clean, but the jacket he had on looked more the color, you know like a uniform set, but he had this coat here on over that other jacket, I am sure, sir. 


Mr. Ball. This is the blue-gray jacket, heavy blue-gray jacket? 


Mr. Whaley. Yes, sir.

There are  now three people who said that (HARVEY) Oswald had a grey/light blue jacket—bus driver Cecil McWatters, bus passenger Roy Milton Jones, and taxi driver William Whaley. And three people who remember (HARVEY) Oswald's grey-colored pants--bus driver Cecil McWatters, and bus passemgers Roy Milton Jones and Mary Bledsoe.

Mr. Ball ...tell me about that, what the passenger said.

Mr. Whaley. He said, “May I have the cab?” I said, “You sure can. Get in.” [the time was 12:47-48 PM] And instead of opening the back door he opened the front door, which is allowable there, and got in. A lady, I don't remember whether she was very old, but the was middle-aged....She bent down and stuck [her head] in and said, “Driver, will you call me a cab down here?” He [LHO] said, “I will let you have this one,” and she said, “No, the driver can call me one.” I asked him where he wanted to go. And he said, “500 North Beckley.” I turned to the left off Lamar onto Jackson, went one block to Austin, then from Austin I turned to the left again and went one block over to Wood Street....to Houston which is the street which we call the old viaduct. Went across the viaduct to Zangs....Beckley turns off [to the left]....When I got pretty close to 500 block at Neches and North Beckley which is the 500 block, he said, “This will do fine.” He gave me a dollar bill, the trip was $.95....didn't say anything, just got out and closed the door and walked around the front of the cab over to the other side of the street....I put it in gear and moved on, that is the last I saw of him [the time was 12:53-54 PM].

Mr. Ball. Can you tell me what distance that was?

Mr. Whaley. About 2 1/5 miles, sir.

Mr. Ball. Can you give me any estimate of the time it took you to go that 2 ½ miles?

Mr. Whaley. Nine minutes.

Mr. Belin. When we went out there today, when we started the stopwatch from the Greyhound bus station to the 700 block of North Beckley, do you know about how many minutes that was on the stop watch?

Mr. Whaley. A little more than 5 minutes, between 5 and 6 minutes.

Mr. Ball. Was there anything in particular about him beside his clothing that you could identify such as jewelry, bracelets?

Mr. Whaley. Yes, sir: he had on a bracelet of some type on his left arm. It looked like an identification bracelet....I always notice watchbands, unusual watchbands, and identification bracelets like these, because I make them myself ... It was just a common stretchband identification bracelet. A lot of them are made of chain links and not stretchbands. Stretchbands are unusual because there is very few of them."

NOTE: (HARVEY) Oswald's bracelet is listed on a DPD property form, found in Box 1, folder 8, item 1 at the Dallas Archives. It is identified as "One I.D. stretch band with 'Lee' inscribed.”

Taxi driver William Whaley was unknown to the police until early the following morning, 11/23/63. Yet a few hours after the taxi ride, a photograph of (HARVEY) Oswald shows a stretch band bracelet on his left arm (see photo below). This photo was taken prior to the police removing the bracelet and placing it into evidence. Whaley could only have known about a bracelet on (HARVEY) Oswald's left arm if he had seen it himself during the taxi ride.

 

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Perhaps the most important confirmation that (HARVEY) Oswald was in Whaley's taxi cab comes from Oswald himself:

    1. On the morning of 11/23/63 Capt. Fritz was told that a taxi driver identified Oswald as one of his passengers around noon on 11/22/63. Capt. Fritz then asked Oswald if he had ridden a taxi. Harvey Oswald said that when he got on the bus he found it was going too slow and after two blocks he got off the bus and took a cab to his home. Oswald's story about riding in a taxi matches perfectly with what Whaley told his supervisors earlier that morning. How could their stories have matched, unless LHO rode in Whaley's taxi?

    2. Oswald told Capt. Fritz about the blond-haired lady who asked Whaley to call her a taxi. And Whaley told the same story to the police. How could their stories match if the incident with the blond woman never happened?

    3. Oswald's silver-colored stretch band bracelet was removed at police headquarters. How could Whaley have known about this bracelet unless LHO was a passenger in his taxi?

    4. Oswald told Capt. Fritz this was the first time he rode in a taxi, and he paid 85 cents for the taxi fare. Whaley told the police the taxi fare was 95 cents. Once again, how could their stories match so closely, unless Oswald had ridden in Whaley's cab?

William Whaley was required, by his company and by the city of Dallas, to keep a trip manifest that contained information related to his trips. Mr. Ball asked Whaley questions about his trip manifest for November 22, 1963.

Chairman: The witness has been driving a taxicab in Dallas for 36 years.

Mr. Whaley: Thirty-seven, sir.

Mr. Ball. Tell me when you make entries, you make the entries when?

Mr. Whaley. Sometime I make them right after I make the trips, sir, and sometimes I make three or four trips before I make the entries....[Whaley made the entry on his manifest for the trip to N. Beckley after returning to the Union terminal]

Mr. Ball: Are you required by your employer to describe the trip, where you went, how far it was?

Mr. Whaley: Not by the employer, sir....The city of Dallas ordinance requires that you put down where you picked the passenger up, where you unload the passenger.

Mr. Ball: Now, the manifest does contain that information, though, does it?

Mr. Whaley: Yes, sir, it does....I was at the Greyhound bus station. I have a copy of my trip sheet here...You look down there it says Greyhound, 500 North Beckley, I think it is marked 12:30 to 12:45. Now that could have been 10 minutes off in each direction because I didn't use a watch, I just guess, in other words, all my trips are marked about 15 minutes each....It is a trip sheet manifest. The company gets the amount of money you have run, your meter reading and all, and they have to keep it because of the city ordinance requirement that the taxis make this kind of manifest.

William Whaley's trip manifest was clocked in at 5:05 AM on November 22nd. Beginning meter readings listed on Whaley's trip manifest consisted of the total number of trips (3591), the units (8308--one unit for every 4/10 of a mile) and the total miles (6011). With each successive trip each of these meter readings would automatically increase and be totaled and logged in at the end of each day. In addition to the automatic meter readings, cab drivers also listed the amount of each fare, the number of passengers, the time "in and out" and the mileage "in and out". At the end of the day, drivers turned in their manifests, which were "date stamped" along with the amount of cash which was recorded on the manifest with a "machine stamp." Whaley's last fare on November 22nd ended at 3:45 pm. His trip manifest was stamped "NOV 22" and 25.15 CA ($25.15 --- the amount of cash turned in by Whaley).

 

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Megathanks for John Butler's extraordinary help in reconstructing this post, which disappeared some hours ago.  Most of the above is excerpted and adapted from Harvey and Lee Leave the TSBD by John Armstrong, presented on our website HarveyandLee.net.

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