Does anyone know this FBI doc?

[Joseph Backes]

See - 

What is the RIF #? Is this doc online somewhere? I don't see it at MFF. 

Thanks.

 

[Joseph Backes]

Ask a silly question - https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=62251#relPageId=96

 

[Gerry Down]

Sounds like the Cuba thing might be a mangled version of the Mexico city incident. In the immediate hours after the assassination, Hoover thought that the Mexico City incident was part of multiple trips LHO had made to Cuba.

This might be why the doc makes no mention of the Mexico city visit. Hoover thinks by mentioning Cuba that this is encompassing the Mexico city visit itself.

Edited March 28, 2023 by Gerry Down

[Gerry Down]

I wonder what Hoover was basing the "mean-minded" part on.

Edited March 28, 2023 by Gerry Down

[Joseph Backes]

The information about LHO making multiple trips to Cuba is, of course, false.  As with many docs and issues in the case people with ulterior motives are flooding law enforcement with misinformation and disinformation trying to achieve their own personal, ideological goals.  Some want the U.S. to go to war with Cuba.  Some of this information about LHO making multiple trips to Cuba come from sources the FBI trusts like informants and other government agencies.  So, it wasn't vetted against travel records.  It's given out within hours of the assassination.  

It also has a false story that LHO met 2 policemen with a few blocks of the TSBD and shot at one of them and killed one.  This is someone trying to make a narrative from incomplete information about Officer Tippit's death who has no knowledge of the events.  One wonders what paralysis affected the second policeman in this story. 

Another item is a telephone operator overhearing a conversation between someone in the Woodner apartments and a man in Texas.  One assumes the telephone operator at the Woodner apartments could be an FBI informant. That would be a good place to have one.  The Woodner apartments, aka the Woodner Hotel, is where Jimmy Hoffa lived.  

[Gerry Down]

1 hour ago, Joseph Backes said:

It also has a false story that LHO met 2 policemen with a few blocks of the TSBD and shot at one of them and killed one.  This is someone trying to make a narrative from incomplete information about Officer Tippit's death who has no knowledge of the events.  One wonders what paralysis affected the second policeman in this story. 

My interpretation of this is that this is an amalgamation of the Baker and Tippit encounters. Someone might have told Hoover something along the lines of "Shortly after the assassination one police officer stopped Oswald and let him go and then Oswald shot another officer killing him." Such a narrative might sound like two police officers stopped Oswald and Oswald killed one of them. 

The document is arguably an exoneration of Hoover in the sense that it shows Hoover did not really know much about Oswald before the assassination even to the point that he thought Oswald had been to Cuba several times. The document shows Oswald was not high on Hoovers radar pre-assassination. 

[Gerry Down]

The document also raises questions about RFKs story about how Hoover phoned him after the assassination, told him JFK was dead, and then hung up on RFK as if he didn't care. Obviously sometime after that call and Oswald was arrested but before the 4pm time of the above document, Hoover and RFK must have spoke again at which time they went into detail of who exactly LHO was and his communist leanings etc. This suggests that Hoover might not have been as abrupt as RFK was making out but that Hoover was actually going through in detail with RFK about LHO.