Bart Kamp's Lancer presentation

[Alan Ford]

Look also at the top of the bottle. Whether Coca-Cola or Dr. Pepper, it should fatten out. Instead, it gets thinner. There may be something (e.g. a piece of tissue paper or an apple core) stuck into the mouth of the bottle

[Bill Brown]

23 minutes ago, Alan Ford said:

You guys lost this one in 2019, lol

For years, Team Keep LHO Off Dem Steps dismissed as absurd the very notion that Mr. Oswald had claimed to have visited the second-floor lunchroom before the motorcade, and to have gone out front for the motorcade.

Mr. Kamp may be wrongheaded in continuing to press the Prayer Man claim, but his uncovering of the Hosty draft interrogation report left Warren Gullibles and Nothing-To-See-Out-Front CTs reeling. (I remember one guy actually claiming at the time that the 'P.' in 'P. Parade' stood for 'Post-'. Talk about desperation!)

And---------------as Mr. Larsen has alluded to----------------the ridiculous disappearance of most of Mr. Lovelady's right side in Wiegman has defeated the brains of EVERY member of Team Keep LHO Off Dem Steps.

Mr. Oswald did go out front.

 

Oswald clearly admitted to a reporter, on film, that he was in the building "at the time".

Oswald is saying that he was inside the Depository at the time of the assassination.  Therefore, he is not out on the steps or the landing at the time.

 

 

[Greg Doudna]

11 minutes ago, Alan Ford said:

 

At the bottom of the bottle is that a Dr. Pepper logo on the bottle (as Steve Roe has suggested), or is it a crumpled piece of paper or a coffee cup or something in front of a bottle of indeterminate beverage? It just looks like the outline of that lighter-toned patch extends to the right beyond the shape of the bottle, or is that optical illusion? 

[Alan Ford]

3 minutes ago, Bill Brown said:

 

Oswald clearly admitted to a reporter, on film, that he was in the building "at the time".

Oswald is saying that he was inside the Depository at the time of the assassination.  Therefore, he is not out on the steps or the landing at the time.

 

 

I see what you did there, Mr. Brown-------------what you guys always do: change "in" to "inside". The word "inside" was not used in the exchange. The fact that you guys always feel the need to add it is telling.

Had Mr. Oswald been asked 'Were you inside the building at the time of the shooting?', then an affirmative reply from him would be unambiguous. But as things stand, his reply could well signify that he considered the enclosed, roofed front entranceway to be part of the building (which in point of fact it was).

Fortunately, the Hosty draft report is unambiguous: Mr. Oswald said he went outside.

There is only one place in the building (apart from the roof) that could be said to be both "outside" and "in the building": the front entranceway.

Either that or Mr. Oswald doesn't want to talk in public about the fact that he went out front. It could trigger a recollection or two in eyewitnesses as to what he actually did while out there.

[Alan Ford]

4 minutes ago, Greg Doudna said:

At the bottom of the bottle is that a Dr. Pepper logo on the bottle (as Steve Roe has suggested), or is it a crumpled piece of paper or a coffee cup or something in front of a bottle of indeterminate beverage? It just looks like the outline of that lighter-toned patch extends to the right beyond the shape of the bottle, or is that optical illusion? 

No optical illusion, Mr. Doudna------------Mr. Roe just misread the image

[Greg Doudna]

6 minutes ago, Bill Brown said:

Oswald clearly admitted to a reporter, on film, that he was in the building "at the time".

Oswald is saying that he was inside the Depository at the time of the assassination.  Therefore, he is not out on the steps or the landing at the time.

Is it possible Oswald could have been inside the doors looking out through the glass doors at the parade, at the time of the shots, then upon hearing the shots moved through the door to stand at the northwest first step, not moving to see better but moving to overhear better, what people were saying as to what had just happened?

In that scenario, he would be out the front door in time for Wiegman to catch him on film, but would be answering accurately to the newsmen in confirming he was inside the building at the time the president was killed?

[Bill Brown]

5 minutes ago, Alan Ford said:

I see what you did there, Mr. Brown-------------what you guys always do: change "in" to "inside". The word "inside" was not used in the exchange. The fact that you guys always feel the need to add it is telling.

Had Mr. Oswald been asked 'Were you inside the building at the time of the shooting?', then an affirmative reply from him would be unambiguous. But as things stand, his reply could well signify that he considered the enclosed, roofed front entranceway to be part of the building (which in point of fact it was).

Fortunately, the Hosty draft report is unambiguous: Mr. Oswald said he went outside.

There is only one place in the building (apart from the roof) that could be said to be both "outside" and "in the building": the front entranceway.

Either that or Mr. Oswald doesn't want to talk in public about the fact that he went out front. It could trigger a recollection or two in eyewitnesses as to what he actually did while out there.

 

So now the words in and inside have different meanings.  I don't know, sounds kinda desperate to me.

 

[Sandy Larsen]

1 hour ago, Alan Ford said:

On 12/5/2023 at 3:43 PM, Sandy Larsen said:

It doesn't matter why the coverup artists chose to conceal something on the film rather than destroying the whole film. The fact is that it has an impossible shadow.

1 hour ago, Alan Ford said:

That's an easy one, Mr. Larsen. What better way to neutralize possible rumors/reports of Mr. Oswald out on the steps than by letting the public see 'corrected' images of the doorway? 'Look, he's not there!'

 

Absolutely!

 

[Alan Ford]

8 minutes ago, Greg Doudna said:

Is it possible Oswald could have been inside the doors looking out through the glass doors at the parade, at the time of the shots, then upon hearing the shots moved through the door to stand at the northwest first step, not moving to see better but moving to overhear better, what people were saying as to what had just happened?

In that scenario, he would be out the front door in time for Wiegman to catch him on film, but would be answering accurately to the newsmen in confirming he was inside the building at the time the president was killed?

It's possible, but if he's out there by the time Mr. Wiegman is filming the doorway, then he will hear at least a shot or two.

[Alan Ford]

9 minutes ago, Bill Brown said:

 

So now the words in and inside have different meanings.  I don't know, sounds kinda desperate to me.

 

No, what's desperate is the way you and your pals ALWAYS push the fiction that Mr. Oswald confirmed to the reporter that he was "inside" the building. The fact that you feel the need to do so shows you know you can't seal the deal-----------and are trying helplessly to distract folks from this little bombshell:

[Bill Brown]

2 minutes ago, Alan Ford said:

No, what's desperate is the way you and your pals ALWAYS push the fiction that Mr. Oswald confirmed to the reporter that he was "inside" the building. The fact that you feel the need to do so shows you know you can't seal the deal-----------and are trying helplessly to distract folks from this little bombshell:

 

Bombshell.  You're joking, right?

 

Reporter: "Were you in that building at the time?"

Oswald: "Naturally if I work in that building, yes sir."

 

[Sandy Larsen]

27 minutes ago, Bill Brown said:

Oswald clearly admitted to a reporter, on film, that he was in the building "at the time".

Oswald is saying that he was inside the Depository at the time of the assassination.  Therefore, he is not out on the steps or the landing at the time.

 

Seriously, only a desperate person would resort to using that lame argument.

Bill Brown, you disappoint me! Please stick to your usual, more reasonable arguments and corrections.

 

[Alan Ford]

8 minutes ago, Bill Brown said:

 

Bombshell.  You're joking, right?

 

Reporter: "Were you in that building at the time?"

Oswald: "Naturally if I work in that building, yes sir."

 

Yes, Mr. Brown, a bombshell that blows up the shameless distortions in the official interrogation reports:

Perhaps you're just jealous of Mr. Kamp because, in unearthing this document, he did what you have never done and in all likelihood never will do-----------------he made a material contribution to our understanding of the case.

[Sandy Larsen]

37 minutes ago, Greg Doudna said:

In that scenario, he would be out the front door in time for Wiegman to catch him on film, but would be answering accurately to the newsmen in confirming he was inside the building at the time the president was killed?

 

You guys are placing way too much significance on that snap answer of Oswald's. He obviously thought the question was, were you in the building that day. Or maybe during the motorcade. And Oswald's sarcastically-delivered answer was, naturally he was... given that he works there! (It was a "duh!" answer.)

 

[Bill Brown]

 

Reporter: "Were you in that building at the time?"

Oswald: "Naturally if I work in that building, yes sir."