ID of “Alfred from Cuba” in photo with Oswald

[Martin Nee]

Hi everyone, in the photos section of Henry Hurts “Reasonable Doubt” there is a photo of Oswald with a man he apparently described to Marina as “Alfred from Cuba”. The photo was found amongst his effects. Hurt places is to the right of a photo of Jean Soutre claiming they bear a resemblance. I have never seen this photo before and I know a lot of doubt has been cast on the Soutre/Mertz Corsican connection since the book was written but has anyone like @Larry Hancock  @Bill Simpich @James DiEugenio identified the man in the course of their biographical on Oswald and his associations? I have attached scan from the book below. 

[Matt Cloud]

Warren Commission identifies him as "Alfred," "believed to be a Hungarian resident of Minsk."

 

https://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh25/pdf/WH25_CE_2612.pdf

 

Caption reads: "From left, Lee Harvey Oswald, Anita Zieger, and Mrs. Zieger. Person standing is believed to be a Hungarian resident of. Minsk, Alfred (last name unknown )."

 

See also references to "Zieger" here, by Bill Simpich.

 

https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/Essay_-_Oswald_Legend_4.html

Edited April 10 by Matt Cloud

[Sean Coleman]

John Butler post from ‘22

 

Edited April 21 by Sean Coleman

[Matt Cloud]

Yes, but is that Oswald ... or a young Gardos?

 

https://postimg.cc/V0Xj8WPs

 

See post and image by John Butler here, p. 40 of 101.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Benjamin Cole]

6 hours ago, Sean Coleman said:

John Butler post from ‘22

Souetre sure does look like whoever that is with LHO in Russia, if the photo from Russia itself is not faked. 

BTW, you have a huge glaring error in your auto-bio. You refer to so-called "classic" cars in the post-1970s era, an obvious and unforgivable oxymoron. I assume you meant to refer to classic cars from the pre-1970s. 

My faves (100% justified) are the finned chrome-mobiles from the late 1950s. 

[Sean Coleman]

Seems you may have a penchant for ‘antique cars,’ though opinions differ and year on year vehicles are slowly nudged into the next category….

 

I find the most sellable/desirable classics those that appeal to to a person at a comfortable point in their life who want to relive their youth or maybe couldn’t afford such a vehicle way back then, but can now, often way cheaper than the price of a new car today.

BUT……owning a classic needs deep pockets, love, patience and lots of attention. A bit like having a wife. But more fun.

 

Edited April 21 by Sean Coleman

[Matt Cloud]

Stay on target ...

 

 

[Benjamin Cole]

5 minutes ago, Matt Cloud said:

Stay on target ...

 

 

If that is an accurate photograph of Gardos, I would say "no." 

Just IMHO....

[Matt Cloud]

... thanks.

 

It's in the mouth, and the eyes.  

[Benjamin Cole]

4 hours ago, Sean Coleman said:

Seems you may have a penchant for ‘antique cars,’ though opinions differ and year on year vehicles are slowly nudged into the next category….

I find the most sellable/desirable classics those that appeal to to a person at a comfortable point in their life who want to relive their youth or maybe couldn’t afford such a vehicle way back then, but can now, often way cheaper than the price of a new car today.

BUT……owning a classic needs deep pockets, love, patience and lots of attention. A bit like having a wife. But more fun.

 

Well, each to his own. Some positively ugly and garish cars (IMHO) from the 1970s are now collectible, with big wings on the rear, and fake wood dashboards, and chintzy plastic knobs, etc. 

Now, all the cars look alike. 

 

[Richard Bertolino]

1964 FBI documents indicate that Michel Roux was in Texas at the time of the assassination (page 11 of the pdf linked below), and that he is not identical with Jean Souetre (page 14 of pdf). https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2018/180-10110-10054.pdf It's not clear to me why the two names (Roux and Souetre) became associated, but pre-assassination FBI documents speak of Souetre using just the one name (page 29 of the pdf).

[Matt Cloud]

57 minutes ago, Richard Bertolino said:

1964 FBI documents indicate that Michel Roux was in Texas at the time of the assassination (page 11 of the pdf linked below), and that he is not identical with Jean Souetre (page 14 of pdf). https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2018/180-10110-10054.pdf It's not clear to me why the two names (Roux and Souetre) became associated, but pre-assassination FBI documents speak of Souetre using just the one name (page 29 of the pdf).

Thank you.

 

"Interestingly enough, it was OAS mercenary, Jean Souetre, who approached the CIA in June of 1963 with information on alleged communists in the DeGaulle government and in French intelligence—one of Angleton's widely-documented preoccupations. Angleton would have been very much "in the know" as to Souetre's activities (and, indeed, may have been actively collaborating with Souetre).

In Chapter 12 we noted that it was Souetre who was picked up in Dallas on November 22, 1963 and expelled from the United States and who was also CIA man E. Howard Hunt's OAS liaison.

It was Souetre who also maintained an informal OAS outpost at Guy Banister's office at 544 Camp Street in New Orleans. What's more, Souetre maintained ties with Meyer Lansky's allies in the Corsican Mafia. All of this, certainly, suggests a very clear pattern which spells more than coincidence. The plot thickens, however. As we saw in Chapter 12, there is some question as to whether the individual picked up in Dallas was, in fact, Souetre or someone using his name.

Souetre has suggested that it was another Frenchman, one Michael Mertz, who may have been the guilty party who was actually in Dallas and using Souetre's name. What makes this allegation most provocative is that Mertz was a former French SDECE officer who had infiltrated the antiDeGaulle OAS and foiled a plot against DeGaulle's life."

 

https://ia801808.us.archive.org/31/items/final-judgment-the-missing-link-in-the-jfk-assassination-conspiracy-2005/Final Judgment- The Missing Link in the JFK Assassination Conspiracy (2005).pdf

[Matt Cloud]

4 minutes ago, Matt Cloud said:

Thank you.

 

"Interestingly enough, it was OAS mercenary, Jean Souetre, who approached the CIA in June of 1963 with information on alleged communists in the DeGaulle government and in French intelligence—one of Angleton's widely-documented preoccupations. Angleton would have been very much "in the know" as to Souetre's activities (and, indeed, may have been actively collaborating with Souetre).

In Chapter 12 we noted that it was Souetre who was picked up in Dallas on November 22, 1963 and expelled from the United States and who was also CIA man E. Howard Hunt's OAS liaison.

It was Souetre who also maintained an informal OAS outpost at Guy Banister's office at 544 Camp Street in New Orleans. What's more, Souetre maintained ties with Meyer Lansky's allies in the Corsican Mafia. All of this, certainly, suggests a very clear pattern which spells more than coincidence. The plot thickens, however. As we saw in Chapter 12, there is some question as to whether the individual picked up in Dallas was, in fact, Souetre or someone using his name.

Souetre has suggested that it was another Frenchman, one Michael Mertz, who may have been the guilty party who was actually in Dallas and using Souetre's name. What makes this allegation most provocative is that Mertz was a former French SDECE officer who had infiltrated the antiDeGaulle OAS and foiled a plot against DeGaulle's life."

 

https://ia801808.us.archive.org/31/items/final-judgment-the-missing-link-in-the-jfk-assassination-conspiracy-2005/Final Judgment- The Missing Link in the JFK Assassination Conspiracy (2005).pdf

"In 1999, Brad O’Leary located and interviewed Souetre who was then working as public relations director at the Casino de Divonne in Divonne les Bains, France. Souetre explained he and Mertz were both parachute captains in the French Army and that Mertz, some ten years older than Souetre, was in the maquis [the Resistance] during World War II. Souetre argued that it was Mertz, using Souetre’s name, who was in the United States at the time of the Kennedy assassination. “What I find strange is the fact that [Mertz] was there in Dallas the day of the crime and under my identity,” Souetre said. “What was he doing there that day? It is obvious that he knew that something was going to happen and that by implicating Captain Souetre he could blame the CNR [Comité Natinale de la Résistance, the later name of the OAS].” 697 Souetre claimed that when U.S. authorities approached him, he proved he was not in Dallas on the day JFK was assassinated and that he had never been to the United States at any time, for any reason. 698 So what was Mertz doing in Dallas on that fateful day in 1963?"

 

https://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Jerome R. Corsi%2C Ph.D - Who Really Killed Kennedy%3F - 50 Years Later - Stunning New Revelations about the JFK Assassination.pdf

[Richard Bertolino]

I'm responding to Matt Cloud. I don't know how to respond to a specific comment. Maybe this will work.

You speak of Souetre being picked up in Dallas on the day of the assassination, in "Chapter 12." The source seems to be Henry Hurt, not good enough for me. Is there an original document you can cite?

[Matt Cloud]

8 minutes ago, Richard Bertolino said:

I'm responding to Matt Cloud. I don't know how to respond to a specific comment. Maybe this will work.

You speak of Souetre being picked up in Dallas on the day of the assassination, in "Chapter 12." The source seems to be Henry Hurt, not good enough for me. Is there an original document you can cite?

And now I'm responding to you Richard Betolino.  Those are not my writings I have excerpted above.  They have been provided, along with links to the source material, for you to pursue further.  You can check the citations and proceed as you wish.  My intention, at this point, is to merely bring into the fold here some of the existing research on this topic.