news about the Darnell film

[Benjamin Cole]

1 hour ago, Sean Coleman said:

Wow. For the first time ever my eyes see (BWF almost chatting to) an older woman, not LHO. And I WANT it to be LHO! 

Sort of looks like Harley Earl. 

[Denis Morissette]

9 hours ago, Roger Odisio said:

How did he get down from the 6th floor without Dorothy Garner seeing or hearing him on the 4th floor, or any of the other people between the 6th and 2nd floors? 

It’s off topic.

[Denis Morissette]

9 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:

 

 

This copy looks like the hoax version made to discredit Bart Kamp and the Australian forum. Notice the large round neck opening in Prayer Man's shirt... done to make it look like a blouse.

 

Ridiculous!

[Pat Speer]

6 hours ago, Sean Coleman said:

Wow. For the first time ever my eyes see (BWF almost chatting to) an older woman, not LHO. And I WANT it to be LHO! 

Thanks of your honesty. I've said from the very first thread in which this was discussed that it looked to me like a woman but received guffaws and insults as a result. It's good to know I wasn't hallucinating, or at least alone in my hallucination.  

Edited September 12 by Pat Speer

[Roger Odisio]

19 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:

I'm afraid we've all been bamboozled.... again.

I've studied the Darnell film extensively and have it mostly memorized -- at least so the relevant parts of it. And one thing I could see right away when I watched the so-called original  version of it at the 6th Floor Museum (above), is that that film actually has LESS detail than the better extant copies that we've had for decades!

What has apparently happened is that NBC finally succumbed to public pressure for release of the film, but the government or CIA made sure that something important could not be found in the film. They made sure it couldn't by removing detail from the film.

I have long suspected that this would happen.

 

You're on to something, Sandy.

The 45 second snippet I posted of the Darnell film the museum said it purchased from NBC is now in the museum's NBC 5 Archive Collection, "Aftermath in Dealey Plaza".  The film was posted there 4 weeks ago.

In the comments there, Denis Morisette asked the pertinent question of the museum:  Did you get the original?  Posted 13 hours ago. No answer yet.

Yes, that's the same guy who said in this thread Oswald could not be on the steps because he was at the 6th floor window.  When I asked how Oswald could have gotten down the stairs after the shooting without being seen or heard by anyone, Denis replied the question was off topic.  Apparently we have stumbled into Denis' comedy act. 

Five hours ago Linda Giovana Zambanini, a well known researcher, replied to Denis' question:  "It doesn't look like the original to me.  I think I have Darnell frames clearer than that!"

It seems obvious that NBC at some point knew what the film showed. At least to the extent early on that the figure looked enough like Oswald to raise the kind of serious questions about the official version of the murder that they wanted to avoid.  That's only due diligence if they were going to take the drastic step of hiding the Darnell and Wiegman films.

As they told Alec Baldwin when rejecting his idea to show a film around the 50th anniversary,--a film critical of the Oswald story--NBC's *corporate policy* has always been to support the WR.

After hiding the film for 60 years, this latest ploy of selling a fake version to the museum is just the latest limited hangout designed to conceal the truth.

 

Edited September 12 by Roger Odisio

[W. Niederhut]

4 hours ago, Pat Speer said:

Thanks of your honesty. I've said from the very first thread in which this was discussed that it looked to me like a woman but received guffaws and insults as a result. It's good to know I wasn't hallucinating, or at least alone in my hallucination.  

Pat,

   What is the story on JFK researcher, Brian Doyle, and Prayer Man?

   As a relative newbie on the forum, I'm not familiar with the details of Doyle's history on this forum.

   Doyle has, apparently, done some primary source research on Prayer Man, but was banned from the forum for conflicts with the mods.

    

[Pat Speer]

4 hours ago, W. Niederhut said:

Pat,

   What is the story on JFK researcher, Brian Doyle, and Prayer Man?

   As a relative newbie on the forum, I'm not familiar with the details of Doyle's history on this forum.

   Doyle has, apparently, done some primary source research on Prayer Man, but was banned from the forum for conflicts with the mods.

    

Doyle latched onto the idea Prayer Man was a woman, and did some original research which supported that analysis. He came to this forum to share his research, but seemed more interested in insulting others than sharing information. (Sorry, Brian) He was banned by James Gordon, if I recall, for his frequent insults, but got it into his head that there was a conspiracy against him to hide his research and deny him his rightful role as a premier researcher. For years he asked me to intervene on his behalf but his emails were so filled with anger and vitriol that I refused to get involved. Not that I want to bring attention to them, but he continues to post rants on the internet in which he rails against James Gordon, Kathy Beckett, myself, and the Forum in general. 

He acts like we are of one mind, when as you know that is bunkum. 

Edited September 12 by Pat Speer

[Tony Krome]

13 hours ago, Mark Ulrik said:

Somewhat stabilized version.

Forget about PM, who is that behind Frazier? Is that a door opening? Do we have PM2?

[Tom Gram]

12 minutes ago, Tony Krome said:

Forget about PM, who is that behind Frazier? Is that a door opening? Do we have PM2?

Damn… you might be right. It looks like the door is opening and there’s a figure there with maybe the back of their head visible? It’s hard to say but there’s definitely something there. I think I mentioned randomly a long time ago that a clearer version of Darnell might show someone standing in the actual TSBD doorway. Is that what we’re seeing here? I have no idea. 

[Tony Krome]

1 minute ago, Tom Gram said:

Damn… you might be right. It looks like the door is opening and there’s a figure there with maybe the back of their head visible? It’s hard to say but there’s definitely something there. I think I mentioned randomly a long time ago that a clearer version of Darnell might show someone standing in the actual TSBD doorway. Is that what we’re seeing here? I have no idea. 

I see this person going back inside. I also see the back of a head with darkish hair.

[Tom Gram]

1 minute ago, Tony Krome said:

I see this person going back inside. I also see the back of a head with darkish hair.

I see the same thing. Pretty intriguing, IMO. Made me think of the O. Campbell news report and Holmes’ testimony. It’s blurry as hell but it does kinda look like a male haircut to me. 

[David Von Pein]

22 minutes ago, Tom Gram said:

It looks like the door is opening and there’s a figure there with maybe the back of their head visible?

Could it be a reflection of a person standing on the top step? ~shrug~

It kind of looks like reflections in the glass door to me.

 

Edited September 12 by David Von Pein

[Greg Doudna]

48 minutes ago, Tom Gram said:

Damn… you might be right. It looks like the door is opening and there’s a figure there with maybe the back of their head visible? It’s hard to say but there’s definitely something there. I think I mentioned randomly a long time ago that a clearer version of Darnell might show someone standing in the actual TSBD doorway. Is that what we’re seeing here? I have no idea. 

Yes that is a person. TSBD employee Roy Lewis. Matches his WC testimony. Bart Kamp on his Prayer Man website identifies Roy Lewis as visible in that position in Darnell. 

Edited September 12 by Greg Doudna

[Tom Gram]

10 minutes ago, David Von Pein said:

Could it be a reflection of a person standing on the top step? ~shrug~

It kind of looks like reflections in the glass door to me.

 

It could be a reflection, but what do you make of the moving white vertical line thing that looks a lot like a door opening? I’m not sure what could cause a reflection like that. 

[Tom Gram]

8 minutes ago, Greg Doudna said:

I agree that is a person. TSBD employee Roy Lewis. Matches his WC testimony. Bart Kamp on his Prayer Man website identifies Roy Lewis as visible in that position in Darnell. 

Lewis is probably the best candidate, but Kamp places him far off to the left of the figure in the doorway, just behind Frazier. I don’t see anyone there though.

Lewis also had on a very dark shirt - it’s only for a frame so it’s probably just an artifact but I am seeing a glimmer of light coloration on the back of doorway person. 

If I had to bet though I’d say it’s probably Lewis.