Jeff Meek Writes about Gaeton Fonzi for George Magazine

[David Boylan]

Part 1 - https://georgemagazine.com/gaeton-fonzi-an-insiders-investigation-into-jfk/

[Robert Morrow]

Jeff Meek is a worthy journalist and worth checking out!

[Benjamin Cole]

BTW Meek is in a City of Allen video I will review soon.

Anyone knowing much about Ocarberro and Alpha 66?

[Bill Simpich]

We need more documents on Manuel Rodriguez Orcarberro (MRO), who was an FBI informant in Dallas in 1963 while inside SNFE/Alpha 66.  Here are a few:

 

On 8/18/63 Larry Howard (of Loran Hall/William Seymour/Larry Howard/Odio alleged fame) was driving a 57 Chevy, blue-bottom/wide top (maybe Vidal Santiago's Chevy immortalized at General Walker's home) at No Name Key where Cuban trainees led by Masferrer were planning an invasion of Haiti.  Also there was Oscar Pino, head of the ECLA (Christian Liberation Army) in Miami.  Gerry Hemming had recently tried to kick Pino's men off No Name Key and backed off when Pino invited him to try it.    Oscar's brother Osvaldo Pino, also an ECLA leader, was soon to join Manuel Rodriguez Orcarberro at 3126 Harlandale, Dallas for biweekly meetings.

 

FBI memo:  "Dallas files reveal that 3126 Harlendale (sic) was noted in 1963 as being the headquarters of Alpha 66, a Cuban terrorist group."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Noel Twyman (Bloody Treason, at pp.579, 585) quotes rifleshop owner John Thomas Masen as saying MRO (Manuel Rodriguez Orcarberro) was trying to buy bazookas and other heavy weapons.

Masen also was told by ATF officer Frank Ellsworth that MRO and George Perrel were local leaders of DRE and members of SNFE/Alpha 66.

MRO was president of the Dallas chapter of SNFE/Alpha 66.  The biweekly meetings of SNFE/Alpha 66 were held at Jorge Salazar's home at 3126 Harlandale.

October 1-3: John Martino visited and spoke at multiple cities in Texas, including Dallas, promoting his new book. While in Dallas he spoke at exile group meetings and in one instance talked of knowing Amador Odio while in prison in Cuba, and knowing that the Odio sisters were in Dallas.   (Larry Hancock, Tipping Point, Part 3)

11/12/63 - Dallas FBI agent Wally Heitman sought permission to recruit Osvaldo Pino as a security informant or a double agent.  Osvaldo Pino was active in SNFE/Alpha-66 in Dallas.   (Pino's father had been a magistrate in the courts in Oriente, Cuba)

11/19/63 - On this date, MRO sends out a fundraising letter:  "We are fighting in every front, in and out of Cuba".  (Probably sent before 11/22)   The FBi file for the SNFE in Dallas was 105-1589.

11/25/63 - This story is repeated, and watered down...CIA told FBI that MRO was "violently anti-Kennedy".  Here is the original document, sent by CIA to FBI, Special Agent in Charge.   Meanwhile, MRO served as an FBI informant for many years.

 

11/26/63 Dallas sheriff Buddy Walthers said he learned from his informant (his mother-in-law, at 3130 Harlandale) on this day that the Harlandale house had been emptied between 11/15-11/22.  See Decker Exhibit 5323 WC XIX, Eric Tagg's Brush With History.

 

(Walthers believed that Oswald had been seen at Harlandale.   It may be true, or MRO may have been mistaken for Oswald.  Miguel Socarraz of Oklahoma told the FBI that MRO resembled Oswald, but was not identical with Oswald.)   

 

As late as 1965, MRO was informing on Osvaldo Pino to the FBI.   By this point, Pino was suspected by the FBI as a possible Cuban G-2 agent, but suspicion seemed to die out by 1966.   MRO was an FBI informant until at least 1972 when he moved to Puerto Rico.

Edited Monday at 11:09 PM by Bill Simpich

[Ron Bulman]

On 9/14/2024 at 8:42 AM, David Boylan said:

Part 1 - https://georgemagazine.com/gaeton-fonzi-an-insiders-investigation-into-jfk/

Nice to see Fonzi back in the public eye.  Appropriate with the anniversary now less than 2 months away.

[Benjamin Cole]

9 hours ago, Bill Simpich said:

We need more documents on Manuel Rodriguez Orcarberro (MRO), who was an FBI informant in Dallas in 1963 while inside SNFE/Alpha 66.  Here are a few:

 

On 8/18/63 Larry Howard (of Loran Hall/William Seymour/Larry Howard/Odio alleged fame) was driving a 57 Chevy, blue-bottom/wide top (maybe Vidal Santiago's Chevy immortalized at General Walker's home) at No Name Key where Cuban trainees led by Masferrer were planning an invasion of Haiti.  Also there was Oscar Pino, head of the ECLA (Christian Liberation Army) in Miami.  Gerry Hemming had recently tried to kick Pino's men off No Name Key and backed off when Pino invited him to try it.    Oscar's brother Osvaldo Pino, also an ECLA leader, was soon to join Manuel Rodriguez Orcarberro at 3126 Harlandale, Dallas for biweekly meetings.

 

FBI memo:  "Dallas files reveal that 3126 Harlendale (sic) was noted in 1963 as being the headquarters of Alpha 66, a Cuban terrorist group."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Noel Twyman (Bloody Treason, at pp.579, 585) quotes rifleshop owner John Thomas Masen as saying MRO (Manuel Rodriguez Orcarberro) was trying to buy bazookas and other heavy weapons.

Masen also was told by ATF officer Frank Ellsworth that MRO and George Perrel were local leaders of DRE and members of SNFE/Alpha 66.

MRO was president of the Dallas chapter of SNFE/Alpha 66.  The biweekly meetings of SNFE/Alpha 66 were held at Jorge Salazar's home at 3126 Harlandale.

October 1-3: John Martino visited and spoke at multiple cities in Texas, including Dallas, promoting his new book. While in Dallas he spoke at exile group meetings and in one instance talked of knowing Amador Odio while in prison in Cuba, and knowing that the Odio sisters were in Dallas.   (Larry Hancock, Tipping Point, Part 3)

11/12/63 - Dallas FBI agent Wally Heitman sought permission to recruit Osvaldo Pino as a security informant or a double agent.  Osvaldo Pino was active in SNFE/Alpha-66 in Dallas.   (Pino's father had been a magistrate in the courts in Oriente, Cuba)

11/19/63 - On this date, MRO sends out a fundraising letter:  "We are fighting in every front, in and out of Cuba".  (Probably sent before 11/22)   The FBi file for the SNFE in Dallas was 105-1589.

11/25/63 - This story is repeated, and watered down...CIA told FBI that MRO was "violently anti-Kennedy".  Here is the original document, sent by CIA to FBI, Special Agent in Charge.   Meanwhile, MRO served as an FBI informant for many years.

 

11/26/63 Dallas sheriff Buddy Walthers said he learned from his informant (his mother-in-law, at 3130 Harlandale) on this day that the Harlandale house had been emptied between 11/15-11/22.  See Decker Exhibit 5323 WC XIX, Eric Tagg's Brush With History.

 

(Walthers believed that Oswald had been seen at Harlandale.   It may be true, or MRO may have been mistaken for Oswald.  Miguel Socarraz of Oklahoma told the FBI that MRO resembled Oswald, but was not identical with Oswald.)   

 

As late as 1965, MRO was informing on Osvaldo Pino to the FBI.   By this point, Pino was suspected by the FBI as a possible Cuban G-2 agent, but suspicion seemed to die out by 1966.   MRO was an FBI informant until at least 1972 when he moved to Puerto Rico.

B Simpich--

 

Thanks, interesting stuff

[David Boylan]

17 hours ago, Bill Simpich said:

We need more documents on Manuel Rodriguez Orcarberro (MRO), who was an FBI informant in Dallas in 1963 while inside SNFE/Alpha 66.  Here are a few:

 

On 8/18/63 Larry Howard (of Loran Hall/William Seymour/Larry Howard/Odio alleged fame) was driving a 57 Chevy, blue-bottom/wide top (maybe Vidal Santiago's Chevy immortalized at General Walker's home) at No Name Key where Cuban trainees led by Masferrer were planning an invasion of Haiti.  Also there was Oscar Pino, head of the ECLA (Christian Liberation Army) in Miami.  Gerry Hemming had recently tried to kick Pino's men off No Name Key and backed off when Pino invited him to try it.    Oscar's brother Osvaldo Pino, also an ECLA leader, was soon to join Manuel Rodriguez Orcarberro at 3126 Harlandale, Dallas for biweekly meetings.

 

FBI memo:  "Dallas files reveal that 3126 Harlendale (sic) was noted in 1963 as being the headquarters of Alpha 66, a Cuban terrorist group."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Noel Twyman (Bloody Treason, at pp.579, 585) quotes rifleshop owner John Thomas Masen as saying MRO (Manuel Rodriguez Orcarberro) was trying to buy bazookas and other heavy weapons.

Masen also was told by ATF officer Frank Ellsworth that MRO and George Perrel were local leaders of DRE and members of SNFE/Alpha 66.

MRO was president of the Dallas chapter of SNFE/Alpha 66.  The biweekly meetings of SNFE/Alpha 66 were held at Jorge Salazar's home at 3126 Harlandale.

October 1-3: John Martino visited and spoke at multiple cities in Texas, including Dallas, promoting his new book. While in Dallas he spoke at exile group meetings and in one instance talked of knowing Amador Odio while in prison in Cuba, and knowing that the Odio sisters were in Dallas.   (Larry Hancock, Tipping Point, Part 3)

11/12/63 - Dallas FBI agent Wally Heitman sought permission to recruit Osvaldo Pino as a security informant or a double agent.  Osvaldo Pino was active in SNFE/Alpha-66 in Dallas.   (Pino's father had been a magistrate in the courts in Oriente, Cuba)

11/19/63 - On this date, MRO sends out a fundraising letter:  "We are fighting in every front, in and out of Cuba".  (Probably sent before 11/22)   The FBi file for the SNFE in Dallas was 105-1589.

11/25/63 - This story is repeated, and watered down...CIA told FBI that MRO was "violently anti-Kennedy".  Here is the original document, sent by CIA to FBI, Special Agent in Charge.   Meanwhile, MRO served as an FBI informant for many years.

 

11/26/63 Dallas sheriff Buddy Walthers said he learned from his informant (his mother-in-law, at 3130 Harlandale) on this day that the Harlandale house had been emptied between 11/15-11/22.  See Decker Exhibit 5323 WC XIX, Eric Tagg's Brush With History.

 

(Walthers believed that Oswald had been seen at Harlandale.   It may be true, or MRO may have been mistaken for Oswald.  Miguel Socarraz of Oklahoma told the FBI that MRO resembled Oswald, but was not identical with Oswald.)   

 

As late as 1965, MRO was informing on Osvaldo Pino to the FBI.   By this point, Pino was suspected by the FBI as a possible Cuban G-2 agent, but suspicion seemed to die out by 1966.   MRO was an FBI informant until at least 1972 when he moved to Puerto Rico.

Bill,

There are some interesting leads here. MRO was close to Eloy Guitierrez-Menoyo who was Tony Veciana's sidekick and leader of SNFE. Menoyo reportedly said on 11/21 that "something very big will happen soon that would advance the Cuban cause." Did he hear rumors of the AMWORLD project or was it something else?

 

 

[Bill Simpich]

Dora Causa was questioned a couple of weeks after 11/22, and said  she was talking about a military plan from Eloy Gutierrez  Menoyo against Cuba, and denied it was about the death of JFK.

Gutierrez Menoyo worked with SNFE-Alpha 66 and Army intelligence, not CIA.  I think it was about Operation Judas, which appears to have been an Army plan to invade Cuba that never materialized.

 

 

 

Edited Tuesday at 05:00 PM by Bill Simpich

[Paul Brancato]

Does it ever strike anyone that for all the sound and fury of the Cuban exiles nothing much actually happened after the Bay of Pigs. 

[Bill Simpich]

Paul, what about the activities used to kick off the Cuban missile crisis?  Exiles were right in the middle of that.

Artime worked with RFK to re-fund the MRR and set up Second Naval Guerrilla, which was a plan to kick off another invasion of Cuba, which was pretty teed up by Nov. 1963.

I believe that some Cuban exiles - granted, John Martino wasn't an exile but he was in Castro's jail with them for years  - were part of the set-up to kill JFK.

What is your take on the above items?

 

 

Edited Tuesday at 10:48 PM by Bill Simpich

[Benjamin Cole]

6 hours ago, Paul Brancato said:

Does it ever strike anyone that for all the sound and fury of the Cuban exiles nothing much actually happened after the Bay of Pigs. 

PB-

 

The Kennedy Administration was ramping up anti-Castro efforts by mid-1963.  

In general, the war against Castro ended with the LBJ Administration. 

[Benjamin Cole]

9 hours ago, Bill Simpich said:

Dora Causa was questioned a couple of weeks after 11/22, and said  she was talking about a military plan from Eloy Gutierrez  Menoyo against Cuba, and denied it was about the death of JFK.

Gutierrez Menoyo worked with SNFE-Alpha 66 and Army intelligence, not CIA.  I think it was about Operation Judas, which appears to have been an Army plan to invade Cuba that never materialized.

 

 

 

 

9 hours ago, Bill Simpich said:

Dora Causa was questioned a couple of weeks after 11/22, and said  she was talking about a military plan from Eloy Gutierrez  Menoyo against Cuba, and denied it was about the death of JFK.

Gutierrez Menoyo worked with SNFE-Alpha 66 and Army intelligence, not CIA.  I think it was about Operation Judas, which appears to have been an Army plan to invade Cuba that never materialized.

 

 

 

"Gutierrez Menoyo worked with SNFE-Alpha 66 and Army intelligence, not CIA."---Simpich

Right. Alpha 66 became Army intel in late 1962, and left CIA sponsorship. 

Side note: David Andrews just posted a hit-piece documentary on JFK. But some nuggets in there, including interviews with Cuban exiles. A lot of ill will towards JFK in the Cuban exile community. 

And there were thousands of angry Cuban exiles in the US at the time, hundreds of whom had trained with weapons, and knew military tactics, such as ambushes etc. And of course, even many who had specifically been trained as assassins. 

It is only speculation, but Alpha 66 certainly had the means, motivation and opportunity....

 

 

[Jean Ceulemans]

On 9/24/2024 at 10:32 PM, Paul Brancato said:

Does it ever strike anyone that for all the sound and fury of the Cuban exiles nothing much actually happened after the Bay of Pigs. 

Isn´t it that the US kinda reversed the policy on them? Supporting them up to the BoP, things slowing down after that, later followed by the FBI confiscating their weapons etc.

Now, Bill is right that there are a good number of men there that in one way or another connect to the JFKA. Many questions could be answered if there was access to the CIA SAS Operative George Joannides files.  

Edited Wednesday at 10:06 PM by Jean Ceulemans