Blank BYP pic

[Sean Coleman]

I thought I’d seen all the BYPs- Roscoe’s, GdM’s xaxaxa, the stooge, the blank, the agent, etc…but what about this blank shot? It seems identical to the leaning tower of Oswald pic in every respect - shadows, assorted junk laying around, foliage. 
Very strange.

[Benjamin Cole]

28 minutes ago, Sean Coleman said:

I thought I’d seen all the BYPs- Roscoe’s, GdM’s xaxaxa, the stooge, the blank, the agent, etc…but what about this blank shot? It seems identical to the leaning tower of Oswald pic in every respect - shadows, assorted junk laying around, foliage. 
Very strange.

SC: Thanks for posting. I never saw this blank one before. If it is a fake, it is good. Even LHO's shadow disappears. 

It is like LHO during the JFKA. He is invisible. 

Maybe Marina just snapped a practice shot? 

Edited 15 hours ago by Benjamin Cole

[Mark Ulrik]

That's the pic from Groden's book, right? I think it was Jean C who first noticed the repeat of the gaps between the fence posts.

[Jean Ceulemans]

Yep, the Groden one.

In his book he doesn´t mention he fabricated this one, IMO he really should have. But in the ref. /notes it´s listed as being from his own archive. 

I discussed this in a previous topic some time ago (could be under my other previously registered account - I have been out for some time in the past and re-registered after that, it was a slightly different name I think).

 

[Jonathan Cohen]

34 minutes ago, Jean Ceulemans said:

Yep, the Groden one.

In his book he doesn´t mention he fabricated this one, IMO he really should have. But in the ref. /notes it´s listed as being from his own archive.

I presume this is from the same book with a fabricated autopsy photo he also didn't identify as such?

[Mark Ulrik]

40 minutes ago, Jean Ceulemans said:

Yep, the Groden one.

In his book he doesn´t mention he fabricated this one, IMO he really should have. But in the ref. /notes it´s listed as being from his own archive. 

I discussed this in a previous topic some time ago (could be under my other previously registered account - I have been out for some time in the past and re-registered after that, it was a slightly different name I think).

Yeah, I see now.

https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/28761-oliver-stones-destiny-betrayed-and-the-544-camp-street-handbill/?do=findComment&comment=489474

[Jean Ceulemans]

I also remember creating a topic were I listed versions of the BYP´s I think, also about the reverse side (with the different photo-lab stamping).  But it´s some time ago, I do still have my notes here when I was working on the subject.

[Jean Ceulemans]

One interesting fact was that one version of the BYP´s was not given to the WC. When it was found later on, the backstamp clearly showed DPD had been duplicating them early on.  Why that one was never simply handed over to the WC... no idea, but  I have a feeling a bunch of the DPD guys just didn´t care much about the WC.  IMO a result of being confronted with their own mistakes at the DPD... Only resulting in more inexplicable stuff like missing pictures, etc. 

[Sean Coleman]

If Groden faked this….he’s really good at it.

Or at least, better than whoever knocked up the ‘original’ BYPs.

[Jean Ceulemans]

IMO one of the bigger problems with the BYP´s is that only one negative (133-B neg) has survived (one way or another...).  We know the inventory lists two negatives "found" (the other was probably 133-A neg). 

The 133-C neg has never been found, but as prints like the Stovall/Dees-White ones were made of that one (?), it´s possible one of them lost it, or otherwise they copied the picture and never had their hands on a neg., it´s a mess...

133-A neg had also been used by DPD to make copies, DPD is likely were it later got "lost" as well. GDM´s was also 133-A.

Going by memory here, hope I didn´t mix up the A-B-C.

Now, that would not be unusual, as the numbers and types are mixed up in some files as well. 

 

Edited 6 hours ago by Jean Ceulemans