Joseph McBride Posted October 14 Share Posted October 14 (edited) READ THE FINE PRINT: That CIA organ the Washington Post now reports (in the 10-11-24 article "Trump requests military aircraft and vehicles amid Iran threat" by Josh Dawsey and Isaac Arnsdorf) that the FBI has not ruled out that the two (supposedly lone-wolf) men who tried to shoot Trump do not have connections with the alleged Iranian plot to kill Trump out of revenge for an assassination he committed (of Iranian Maj. Gen. Qasem Soleimani in 2020). The kicker on the Post headline of this story contradicts the story itself by flatly stating that there is "no evidence" of such a connection, but the story says this: "There is no evidence tying Iran to either of the recent assassination attempts, the people [i.e., 'Senior U.S. officials'] said, but the FBI has not ruled out the possibility of a connection." Once again the Post has buried the lede, as we say in the newspaper business. Edited October 14 by Joseph McBride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Cole Posted October 14 Share Posted October 14 22 minutes ago, Joseph McBride said: READ THE FINE PRINT: That CIA organ the Washington Post now reports (in the 10-11-24 article "Trump requests military aircraft and vehicles amid Iran threat" by Josh Dawsey and Isaac Arnsdorf) that the FBI has not ruled out that the two (supposedly lone-wolf) men who tried to shoot Trump do not have connections with the alleged Iranian plot to kill Trump out of revenge for an assassination he committed (of Iranian Maj. Gen. Qasem Soleimani in 2020). The kicker on the Post headline of this story contradicts the story itself by flatly stating that there is "no evidence" of such a connection, but the story says this: "There is no evidence tying Iran to either of the recent assassination attempts, the people [i.e., 'Senior U.S. officials'] said, but the FBI has not ruled out the possibility of a connection." Once again the Post has buried the lede, as we say in the newspaper business. JM- Thanks for posting. But not sure what you are driving at. Are you saying it is possible (if unlikely) the two Trump Assassination Attempters (TAAs) had connections to Iran? The second "lone-nut" shooter appears to have connections to Ukraine. As you know, the expression, "there is no evidence of" is often a lawyerly device. The WC said there is no evidence of LHO having co-conspirators. There is also the definition of "evidence," from hearsay to hard and solid, the latter being something like unaltered photographs, videos or recordings. I am sure there is a ton of "evidence" connecting the two TAAs to a lot of people including Iranians, the problem being is comes from flakes, or is rank hearsay, or deductions made by chance links and so on. Or...are you saying it is possible two the "lone nuts" were instigated by elements within the US government? Blaming Iran as a diversion is not a bad idea. Also, your wording of this sentence may be awkward: "the FBI has not ruled out that the two (supposedly lone-wolf) men who tried to shoot Trump do not have connections with the alleged Iranian plot to kill Trump out of revenge for an assassination he committed"--JM The "not" that I highlighted--did you mean that? IMHO, the Iranians do want to assassinate Trump. On the "lone nuts," I am keeping an open mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph McBride Posted October 14 Author Share Posted October 14 (edited) I'm just quoting this CIA organ, which as we know is, like the CIA itself, involved in propaganda and is, like the FBI, highly unreliable. I have no unusual knowledge of these events other than to suspect that the story about Trump being nipped in the ear by a bullet at the Butler rally may be false (partly I base this suspicion on the complete lack of information, due to a media blackout, from the doctors and other staff who treated him on the day of the incident; also, the story was changed, which is always suspicious). Edited October 14 by Joseph McBride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Cole Posted October 14 Share Posted October 14 1 hour ago, Joseph McBride said: I'm just quoting this CIA organ, which as we know is, like the CIA itself, involved in propaganda and is, like the FBI, highly unreliable. I have no unusual knowledge of these events other than to suspect that the story about Trump being nipped in the ear by a bullet at the Butler rally may be false (partly I base this suspicion on the complete lack of information, due to a media blackout, from the doctors and other staff who treated him on the day of the incident; also, the story was changed, which is always suspicious). JM-- Thanks for your reply. Of the bystanders and others who were injured or killed at the Butler---was that fabricated also? Also, we probably share a skepticism regarding WaPo reporting. But my take is the WaPo has been pro-Harris and anti-Trump. Am I missing something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph McBride Posted October 14 Author Share Posted October 14 (edited) Obviously the other injuries and the two deaths at Butler were not "fabricated." Jeez. Don't twist what I write out of shape. To spell it out for you, I am calling attention to the Post as a CIA organ reporting something from the FBI that is at odds with the current "official story" on the assassination attempts against Trump. Edited October 14 by Joseph McBride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Cole Posted October 14 Share Posted October 14 18 minutes ago, Joseph McBride said: Obviously the other injuries and the two deaths at Butler were not "fabricated." Jeez. Don't twist what I write out of shape. To spell it out for you, I am calling attention to the Post as a CIA organ reporting something from the FBI that is at odds with the current "official story" on the assassination attempts against Trump. OK then, what is the WaPo doing as a CIA mouthpiece (a reasonable assumption, btw)? Trying to downplay Trump assassination attempts? Or heighten them? As the WaPo appears solidly in the Harris column...would it be downplaying bona-fide assassination attempts and threats against Trump? I didn't twist what you wrote out of shape. You indicated you did not think Trump was shot in Butler. So...others were in fact shot (concurrently) but the Trump injury was faked on the spot, with the red blood and everything? That would mean the Trumpers had been advised in advance that there would be a shooting that day, and brought along some ketchup to throw on Trump's ear. I am just asking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph McBride Posted October 14 Author Share Posted October 14 (edited) Trump was hit by something, not necessarily a bullet. You must not have read some reports that Trump's ear was nicked by a piece of glass or some other small but sharp flying object dislodged by a bullet. FBI Director Christopher Wray expressed doubt about the bullet story but backed down after Trump and other Republicans became irate. NBC News reported on July 26: The FBI said Friday that a bullet or fragments of it struck Donald Trump's ear during an assassination attempt on the former president this month at a campaign rally. “What struck former President Trump in the ear was a bullet, whether whole or fragmented into smaller pieces, fired from the deceased subject’s rifle," the FBI said in a statement. The statement comes two days after FBI Director Christopher Wray, whom Trump nominated to his post in 2017, told House lawmakers that "there’s some question about whether or not it’s a bullet or shrapnel that, you know, hit his ear." Wray had testified about the FBI's ongoing probe into the assassination attempt. . . . The director's remarks before a House committee sparked widespread backlash among Republican lawmakers, as well as Trump, who has consistently said he was hit by a bullet. The former president has not released any medical records from his treatment at the hospital after the shooting. His campaign previously released a July 20 letter from Rep. Ronny Jackson, R-Texas, a former White House physician, who said that he had evaluated and treated Trump’s wound “daily” since the shooting and that Trump had "sustained a gunshot wound to the right ear." Trump referred to the new FBI statement in a social media post Friday night. "I assume that’s the best apology that we’ll get from Director Wray, but it is fully accepted!," he wrote on Truth Social. . . Edited October 14 by Joseph McBride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Cole Posted October 14 Share Posted October 14 Since no glass object (including the teleprompter) was shattered between Trump and the lone-nut gunsel..how would glass cut Trump's ear? BTW yet another "lone nut" assassination attempt on Trump. This guy had fake passports. Riverside Co. Sheriff says deputies ‘probably’ prevented third assassination attempt on Trump A man was arrested outside of a campaign rally for former President Donald Trump in Southern California, and multiple guns were illegally in his possession, according to authorities. The arrest took place at a checkpoint at the intersection of Avenue 52 and Celebration Drive in Coachella at 4:59 p.m. on Saturday, the Riverside County Sheriff’s Office said. The rally was scheduled to start at 5 p.m., but Sheriff Chad Bianco said at a news conference Sunday that the arrest took place before Trump arrived. The driver of a black SUV, who was later identified as 49-year-old Vem Miller of Las Vegas, was found to be in illegal possession of a shotgun, a loaded handgun, and a high-capacity magazine. Miller was then taken into custody and booked at the John J. Benoit Detention Center on suspicion of possession of a loaded firearm and possession of a high-capacity magazine. The Sheriff’s Office said the incident had no impact on the safety of rally attendees or former President Trump. According to the Riverside County Inmate Information System, Miller was released from the detention center Sunday on $5,000 bail. Deputies became suspicious of Miller due to the interior of his vehicle being in “disarray” and having fake license plates consistent of groups claiming to be “sovereign citizens,” Bianco said Sunday. Miller claimed to be a journalist, and had multiple fake passports with different names inside, Bianco said. The vehicle was unregistered, Bianco said. Bianco told reporters on Sunday that any charges coming from Riverside County would be limited to the firearm-related charges. If any further charges were to be filed, they would likely come federally. No additional details were immediately made available. Officials didn’t say where the guns were located in his SUV at the time of the arrest. On Sunday morning, Bianco, an open supporter of Trump, said the incident was “probably” a third assassination attempt on the former President, according to the Southern California News Group. Bianco told the news organization that Miller presented fake VIP and press passes at the checkpoint, which is what led to the search. “We probably stopped another assassination attempt,” Bianco told SCNG. At the news conference on Sunday, Bianco spoke in less clear terms about what he believed Miller’s intent to be. He told reporters that he “didn’t remember” calling the incident a possible assassination attempt to the SCNG, but admitted that it was something that he “would say.” “No matter what, it’s all going to be speculation about what his intentions were getting there,” Bianco said. “If you’re asking me right now, I probably did have deputies that prevented the third assassination attempt.” “The presence that we had at the rally … I am glad we’re not talking about this after we shot [Miller],” Bianco continued. In a statement released Sunday by the Department of Justice, officials said: “The U.S. Attorney’s Office, U.S. Secret Service, and the FBI are aware of the Riverside County Sheriff’s Office arrest on Saturday. The U.S. Secret Service assesses that the incident did not impact protective operations and former President Trump was not in any danger. While no federal arrest has been made at this time, the investigation is ongoing. The U.S. Attorney’s Office, and FBI extend their gratitude to the deputies and local partners who helped ensure the safety of last night’s events.” Miller is a registered Republican. He filed to run for Nevada’s state assembly in 2022. As of Sunday afternoon, Trump hadn’t publicly commented on the incident. The arrest comes as multiple high-profile attempts of violence against the former President have taken place during the heated election cycle. ---30--- They let the "lone nut" go on a $5k bail? A guy with fake passports and real VIP passes to the Trump event? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ege Posted October 14 Share Posted October 14 4 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said: Since no glass object (including the teleprompter) was shattered between Trump and the lone-nut gunsel..how would glass cut Trump's ear? BTW yet another "lone nut" assassination attempt on Trump. This guy had fake passports. Riverside Co. Sheriff says deputies ‘probably’ prevented third assassination attempt on Trump A man was arrested outside of a campaign rally for former President Donald Trump in Southern California, and multiple guns were illegally in his possession, according to authorities. The arrest took place at a checkpoint at the intersection of Avenue 52 and Celebration Drive in Coachella at 4:59 p.m. on Saturday, the Riverside County Sheriff’s Office said. The rally was scheduled to start at 5 p.m., but Sheriff Chad Bianco said at a news conference Sunday that the arrest took place before Trump arrived. The driver of a black SUV, who was later identified as 49-year-old Vem Miller of Las Vegas, was found to be in illegal possession of a shotgun, a loaded handgun, and a high-capacity magazine. Miller was then taken into custody and booked at the John J. Benoit Detention Center on suspicion of possession of a loaded firearm and possession of a high-capacity magazine. The Sheriff’s Office said the incident had no impact on the safety of rally attendees or former President Trump. According to the Riverside County Inmate Information System, Miller was released from the detention center Sunday on $5,000 bail. Deputies became suspicious of Miller due to the interior of his vehicle being in “disarray” and having fake license plates consistent of groups claiming to be “sovereign citizens,” Bianco said Sunday. Miller claimed to be a journalist, and had multiple fake passports with different names inside, Bianco said. The vehicle was unregistered, Bianco said. Bianco told reporters on Sunday that any charges coming from Riverside County would be limited to the firearm-related charges. If any further charges were to be filed, they would likely come federally. No additional details were immediately made available. Officials didn’t say where the guns were located in his SUV at the time of the arrest. On Sunday morning, Bianco, an open supporter of Trump, said the incident was “probably” a third assassination attempt on the former President, according to the Southern California News Group. Bianco told the news organization that Miller presented fake VIP and press passes at the checkpoint, which is what led to the search. “We probably stopped another assassination attempt,” Bianco told SCNG. At the news conference on Sunday, Bianco spoke in less clear terms about what he believed Miller’s intent to be. He told reporters that he “didn’t remember” calling the incident a possible assassination attempt to the SCNG, but admitted that it was something that he “would say.” “No matter what, it’s all going to be speculation about what his intentions were getting there,” Bianco said. “If you’re asking me right now, I probably did have deputies that prevented the third assassination attempt.” “The presence that we had at the rally … I am glad we’re not talking about this after we shot [Miller],” Bianco continued. In a statement released Sunday by the Department of Justice, officials said: “The U.S. Attorney’s Office, U.S. Secret Service, and the FBI are aware of the Riverside County Sheriff’s Office arrest on Saturday. The U.S. Secret Service assesses that the incident did not impact protective operations and former President Trump was not in any danger. While no federal arrest has been made at this time, the investigation is ongoing. The U.S. Attorney’s Office, and FBI extend their gratitude to the deputies and local partners who helped ensure the safety of last night’s events.” Miller is a registered Republican. He filed to run for Nevada’s state assembly in 2022. As of Sunday afternoon, Trump hadn’t publicly commented on the incident. The arrest comes as multiple high-profile attempts of violence against the former President have taken place during the heated election cycle. ---30--- They let the "lone nut" go on a $5k bail? A guy with fake passports and real VIP passes to the Trump event? Ben, thank you for your post and all your other input here on the EF. it seems a little bid odd that there would be any downplay of what EXACTLY hit a U. S. presidential candidate in the ear, regardless of party and/or ideology, during an assassination attempt to kill said candidate, using a .223 and/or 5.56 round. Who among us, would volunteer to being downrange, in the kill zone - even if the shot, instead of turning out to be the said "nick" - was to have eventually been concluded to actually have been JUST an intentional, complete miss - as a "scare"? I would not be in that queue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Fite Posted October 14 Share Posted October 14 5 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said: BTW yet another "lone nut" assassination attempt on Trump. This guy had fake passports. Foiled assassination attempt or just another gun nut Trump supporter out in the area? Quote A man arrested on gun possession charges near a Donald Trump rally in California on Saturday, spurring significant safety concerns, said that he was a major supporter of the former US president and would never harm him. “Yes, I’m 100% a Trump supporter,” the man, Vem Miller, told Fox News Digital in an interview. Miller, 49, denied the local sheriff’s allegation that he was bringing weapons to Trump’s event to kill him. “This is a man that I deeply admire,” the Las Vegas resident also said. He claimed to be a registered Republican and “all-in” with the Republican presidential candidate since 2018. link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Cole Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 9 hours ago, Ron Ege said: Ben, thank you for your post and all your other input here on the EF. it seems a little bid odd that there would be any downplay of what EXACTLY hit a U. S. presidential candidate in the ear, regardless of party and/or ideology, during an assassination attempt to kill said candidate, using a .223 and/or 5.56 round. Who among us, would volunteer to being downrange, in the kill zone - even if the shot, instead of turning out to be the said "nick" - was to have eventually been concluded to actually have been JUST an intentional, complete miss - as a "scare"? I would not be in that queue. RE-- Thank you for your collegial comment. BTW, I would also be alarmed and outraged if there were two serious assassinations attempts on Kamala Harris, a probable third, and Harris had part of her ear shot off, and the Iranians were gunning for her. The voters have the right to select the President, not some lone nuts, or the Deep State or the Islamo-fascists. Side note: Verily, if Harris had part of her ear shot off, and kept campaigning, and even returned to Butler to do it again, she would be justifiably lionized for her bravery. Critics there are, and I have reservations galore regarding Trump's personality. But..the guy got off the ground in Butler and fist-pumped to the crowd after having part of his ear shot off---exactly the attitude the public needed to after such a horrifying event. Give credit where credit is due. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Cole Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 9 hours ago, Bill Fite said: Foiled assassination attempt or just another gun nut Trump supporter out in the area? BF-- Thanks for your question, but of course, I do not have the answer. Many in the EF-JFKA believe LHO only posed as a leftie, but was in fact a CIA asset. Surely an assassin from the Deep State or Iran could pose as a Trump supporter, in order to gain access to the venue and Trump. There have been so many bona fide lone nuts and gun nuts truly involved in violence, that posing as such is a perfect cover for an agency wanting plausible deniability. Side note: We do not know the quality of the fake passports that the latest Trump possible assassin had. If they were top-quality...that would raise questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W. Niederhut Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Benjamin Cole said: RE-- Thank you for your collegial comment. BTW, I would also be alarmed and outraged if there were two serious assassinations attempts on Kamala Harris, a probable third, and Harris had part of her ear shot off, and the Iranians were gunning for her. The voters have the right to select the President, not some lone nuts, or the Deep State or the Islamo-fascists. Side note: Verily, if Harris had part of her ear shot off, and kept campaigning, and even returned to Butler to do it again, she would be justifiably lionized for her bravery. Critics there are, and I have reservations galore regarding Trump's personality. But..the guy got off the ground in Butler and fist-pumped to the crowd after having part of his ear shot off---exactly the attitude the public needed to after such a horrifying event. Give credit where credit is due. Yes, let's give Trump credit, Ben. Let's give Trump credit for inciting his armed mob to attack the U.S. Congress on January 6th, in an attempt to obstruct the certification of Biden's election. He's the only POTUS in American history who refused to relinquish power peacefully. Let's give him credit for organizing slates of False Electors in several swing states that he lost, in an attempt to overturn the results of the 2020 election. Let's give him credit for planning, before the November 2020 election, to falsely claim that that the election was stolen. Let's give Trump credit for inciting domestic terrorism, violence, and the murder of American citizens since 2016-- most notably, the El Paso Walmart Massacre. Let's give him credit for causing the preventable deaths of hundreds of thousands of U.S. citizens-- especially his Republican fans-- by denying and mismanaging the COVID pandemic. Let's give him credit for increasing the U.S. national debt by $8 trillion in 4 years, by cutting taxes for billionaires and corporations, while privately bragging about making his rich friends richer. Let's give him credit for denying climate change, withdrawing from the Paris Climate Accords, and rolling back more than 100 environmental regulations, while appointing an oil industry lobbyist to run the EPA. Edited October 15 by W. Niederhut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Cole Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 Sometimes it is interesting to see how foreign media plays JFKA/RFK1A and related stories, such as the recent spate of Trump assassination attempts. I will post a review of how foreign media has played the Iranian assassination threat soon. Donald Trump's ‘third assassination’ attempt thwarted by Riverside police, Sheriff claims ByTuhin Das Mahapatra Oct 14, 2024 05:35 AM IST Riverside County deputies arrested a suspect near a Donald Trump's California rally who possessed loaded firearms and fake IDs. Police in Coachella Valley, California, may have prevented “another assassination” attempt on former US President Donald Trump during his rally on Saturday, according to Riverside County Sheriff Chad Bianco. Riverside Country Sheriffs stand guard as Republican presidential nominee and former U.S. President Donald Trump arrives at his rally in Coachella, California, U.S., October 12, 2024. REUTERS/Mike Blake(REUTERS) The suspect, identified as 49-year-old Vem Miller from Las Vegas, was stopped by Riverside County deputies in a black SUV around 5 p.m., approximately half a mile from the rally site. Miller had reportedly passed through an initial security checkpoint by presenting false VIP and media credentials. The Riverside County Sheriff’s Office confirmed that Miller was arrested without incident and booked at the John J. Benoit Detention Center. He was charged with possession of a loaded firearm and possession of a high-capacity magazine. Riverside County Sheriff says the suspect is a ‘lunatic’ and ‘sovereign citizen’ Riverside County Sheriff Chad Bianco told reporters, “I truly do believe we prevented another assassination attempt.” Sheriff Bianco stated that a deputy noticed Miller’s vehicle was in “disarray” with an “obviously fake” license plate, which raised suspicions. Upon further investigation, deputies discovered that Miller was carrying multiple driver’s licenses and passports under different names. Police also found a loaded handgun and shotgun in the vehicle, both of which were unregistered. Sheriff Bianco indicated that the markings on Miller’s license plate suggested he might be part of the “sovereign citizens” movement, a right-wing group that rejects the legitimacy of the US government. He described Miller as a “lunatic.” “What we do know is he showed up with multiple passports with different names, an unregistered vehicle with a fake license plate, and loaded firearms. If you’re asking me right now, I probably did have deputies that did prevent the third assassination attempt.” Who is Vem Miller? Miller, however, has denied any intent to harm the former president. Speaking to Southern California News Group, he expressed, “These accusations are complete bull****. I’m an artist, I’m the last person that would cause any violence and harm to anybody,” and claimed to be a Trump supporter. Miller was released on $5,000 bail and is expected to appear in court in early January at the Indio Larson Justice Center. The sheriff suggested that federal authorities could bring any additional charges. The incident marks the THIRD armed threat on Trump event in recent months, following a September case in Florida and another in Pennsylvania. ---30--- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Andrews Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 What's Trump's ear look like now? If there were scarring, you can bet he'd be sticking that ear in front of the lens. "Look, see?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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