Karl Kinaski Posted October 26 Share Posted October 26 The JFK files are finally coming out, and Trump will release them “almost immediately upon entering office.” Rogan asked Trump why he never opened them up during his first term, and Trump responded that certain people “asked [him] not to do it.” “I can't tell you whether or not they're going to find anything of interest... But I was asked not to do it, and I thought that was a reasonable ask. But now I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it very soon,” Trump said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Cole Posted October 26 Share Posted October 26 44 minutes ago, Karl Kinaski said: The JFK files are finally coming out, and Trump will release them “almost immediately upon entering office.” Rogan asked Trump why he never opened them up during his first term, and Trump responded that certain people “asked [him] not to do it.” “I can't tell you whether or not they're going to find anything of interest... But I was asked not to do it, and I thought that was a reasonable ask. But now I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it very soon,” Trump said. KK- Thanks for posting. Like many people, I am skeptical of Trump. I would even say he has my "hard-earned skepticism." (BTW, I am equally skeptical of our feculent establishment parties and official Washington). Well, wait and see. I guess its 50/50 (or maybe less) on Trump releasing the files, and 20-to-1 against Harris releasing the files. Jefferson Morley has done some interesting work lately that there may be important files not in the JFK Records, now sequestered by the Biden Administration in offsite CIA facilities (perhaps unknowingly). Side question: If elected...does Trump live to inauguration day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denny Zartman Posted October 26 Share Posted October 26 The JFK records were scheduled to be released under President Donald Trump's watch. Someone in the government asked him not to release the records, and Trump characterizes this request as a “reasonable ask.” This leads me to wonder: what was the reason? Or is the reason itself too revealing? I don't see how it can be, because Trump also says “I can't tell you whether or not they're going to find anything of interest”, admitting that he doesn't know if there's a smoking gun in those unreleased records. So, it seems to me we can infer the reason given to Trump wasn't “we can't release them because they reveal a culprit other than Oswald”, and it also wasn't “there’s nothing of interest in the remaining records” because then continuing to withhold those records would not be a “reasonable ask.” What was the “reasonable” reason given to Trump to convince him not to release the remaining JFK records? (And, as an aside, a presidential candidate making a public pledge to do something they freely characterize as unreasonable is not very presidential imho.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W. Niederhut Posted October 26 Share Posted October 26 (edited) 2 hours ago, Denny Zartman said: The JFK records were scheduled to be released under President Donald Trump's watch. Someone in the government asked him not to release the records, and Trump characterizes this request as a “reasonable ask.” This leads me to wonder: what was the reason? Or is the reason itself too revealing? I don't see how it can be, because Trump also says “I can't tell you whether or not they're going to find anything of interest”, admitting that he doesn't know if there's a smoking gun in those unreleased records. So, it seems to me we can infer the reason given to Trump wasn't “we can't release them because they reveal a culprit other than Oswald”, and it also wasn't “there’s nothing of interest in the remaining records” because then continuing to withhold those records would not be a “reasonable ask.” What was the “reasonable” reason given to Trump to convince him not to release the remaining JFK records? (And, as an aside, a presidential candidate making a public pledge to do something they freely characterize as unreasonable is not very presidential imho.) Trump has a lengthy, well-documented history of lying and making false sales pitches. Anyone who believes his sales pitches in 2024 doesn't really understand Trump's sociopathic tendencies. He's a con man. Examples are legion. One of the most galling examples from his 2016 campaign was his repeated claim that he had, "a terrific healthcare plan that will cover everyone and cost less." He never had a healthcare plan. Still doesn't. What he did, in office, was to endorse Paul Ryan's March 2017 "No Care" Plan-- gutting funding for Medicaid and Medicare, and sabotaging the Affordable Care Act. Trump also said in 2016, "When I'm President, the American people are going to find out who really destroyed the World Trade Center on 9/11." So much for Trump sales pitches. Edited October 26 by W. Niederhut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Gallaway Posted October 26 Share Posted October 26 (edited) Maybe in a couple of weeks, our job here will be over Oh yeah I love this title Karl. I'm sure as Tucker said, the government kept detailed records of how they once killed JFK, and our job will be over! And we've already mentioned the reliability of Trump. I know you're planning a long vacation to North Macedonia, but do you think you might be setting yourself up for a letdown? Edited October 26 by Kirk Gallaway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Speer Posted October 26 Share Posted October 26 (edited) 4 hours ago, Denny Zartman said: The JFK records were scheduled to be released under President Donald Trump's watch. Someone in the government asked him not to release the records, and Trump characterizes this request as a “reasonable ask.” This leads me to wonder: what was the reason? Or is the reason itself too revealing? I don't see how it can be, because Trump also says “I can't tell you whether or not they're going to find anything of interest”, admitting that he doesn't know if there's a smoking gun in those unreleased records. So, it seems to me we can infer the reason given to Trump wasn't “we can't release them because they reveal a culprit other than Oswald”, and it also wasn't “there’s nothing of interest in the remaining records” because then continuing to withhold those records would not be a “reasonable ask.” What was the “reasonable” reason given to Trump to convince him not to release the remaining JFK records? (And, as an aside, a presidential candidate making a public pledge to do something they freely characterize as unreasonable is not very presidential imho.) Most everyone involved in all this has claimed from the beginning that there are no smoking guns and that the main concern is sources and methods. Now what does that mean? I think we can suspect that among the withheld docs there is reference to a few names who 1) would not want to be associated with the CIA, or 2) the CIA would not want associated with them. People like George H.W. Bush perhaps, or people whose families still retain power in the countries their father was spying against. And then there's methods. It could very well be that some of the methods in use for gathering information in 1963--specific wiretaps, or relationships with foreign intelligence and news agencies--are still in use today. if so, the CIA and similar agencies would bend over backwards to protect these sources from exposure--not only out of respect for the relationship, but out of current necessity. Let's say, for example, that we had a relationship with a certain branch of Cuban intelligence--much as we have a military base in Cuba--and that this branch has cooperated with the U.S. on occasion to thwart terrorism both in the U.S. and Cuba. Well, this is something that both sides would want to keep secret, for their own national security. Now, on the surface this may sound far-fetched, but we should recall that within the recent past the U.S. intelligence services warned Russia of an impending terrorist attack--and that Russia disregarded the warning so they could tell their people Ukraine was responsible. Edited October 26 by Pat Speer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Doudna Posted October 26 Share Posted October 26 4 hours ago, Denny Zartman said: This leads me to wonder: what was the reason? Or is the reason itself too revealing? I don't see how it can be, because Trump also says “I can't tell you whether or not they're going to find anything of interest”, admitting that he doesn't know if there's a smoking gun in those unreleased records. So, it seems to me we can infer the reason given to Trump wasn't “we can't release them because they reveal a culprit other than Oswald”, and it also wasn't “there’s nothing of interest in the remaining records” because then continuing to withhold those records would not be a “reasonable ask.” What was the “reasonable” reason given to Trump to convince him not to release the remaining JFK records? (And, as an aside, a presidential candidate making a public pledge to do something they freely characterize as unreasonable is not very presidential imho.) Trump said: if you saw what I saw in those records you would know how scary it was, or words to that effect. Then he says he has no idea if anything is there of interest. He’s like guys I’ve seen in bars talking about stuff. You can’t believe a word they say. The difference is this guy has half of America about to freely elect an unvarnished, no-malevolent-agenda-unexpressed fascist vowing a holocaust-scale mass deportation of millions (Hitler started out talking cleansing Germany only by mass deportations of Jews, not murder), punishing political opponents, closing down critical press. Like the saying goes, if one man has delusions it’s a psychiatric case; if a hundred million do it’s called a religion. Similarly if one man talks the way Trump does he’s a blowhard down at the corner bar. If a hundred million American voters vote for him, he’s the most powerful man on earth with the potential, if he wakes up one morning not in a good mood, to join the sociopathic monster rulers of the twentieth century up there with Stalin and the H word. Sinclair Lewis, It Can’t Happen Here. (A classic, available online.) It’s coming to pass, this is what it looks like when fiction becomes reality, depending on how the vote goes in another week and a half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Reeves Posted October 26 Share Posted October 26 1 hour ago, Greg Doudna said: Like the saying goes, if one man has delusions it’s a psychiatric case; if a hundred million do it’s called a religion. Similarly if one man talks the way Trump does he’s a blowhard down at the corner bar. If a hundred million American voters vote for him, he’s the most powerful man on earth with the potential, if he wakes up one morning not in a good mood, to join the sociopathic monster rulers of the twentieth century up there with Stalin and the H word. Yes, sociopathic monster rulers like Stalin and Hitler were known for letting loose in public with awful dad dancing like a moron to YMCA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Von Pein Posted October 26 Share Posted October 26 This one is even funnier..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W. Niederhut Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 42 minutes ago, David Von Pein said: This one is even funnier..... David, There's no way that a demented old stooge like Donald Trump could ever dance with such alacrity, even on extra Adderall. Bona fide humor needs to be somewhat reality-based, like this one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Cole Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 Well...we don't know what we don't know is in the JFK Records files. I disagree with people who pontificate on the likely content of the JFK Records. You don't know. If you have been following Andrew Eiler and other experts on the JFK Act, you know the federal government has recently asked Judge Seeborg to dismiss the MFF suit, which is an admirable attempt to open up the JFK Records as required by law. Now... Why would AG Merrick Garland approve such a scurrilous and cynical filing? Are Garland's true colors that of a feculent deep state apparatchik? Another CIA minion...or an individual compromised in some way by some personal or financial wrongdoing? Honeypotted by the CIA? You mean Garland, and the Biden Administration, created the Orwellian "Transparency Board"...just to protect some antique sources and methods? Really? That there is something virtuous in their actions? Government secrecy on the JFKA is now a good thing? Well...I don't know what records are in the JFK Records Act. Neither do you. I do know that the Biden/Garland Justice Department is not defensible, and in this regard, beneath contempt. Garland's reputation as a man of honor...doesn't mesh with the facts on the immediate ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Von Pein Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 (edited) 15 minutes ago, W. Niederhut said: Bona fide humor needs to be somewhat reality-based, like this one... W.N., Oh come now! The Saturday Night Fever spoof that I posted is much funnier. Not even close. I even felt compelled to add it to my Trump Webpage. Edited October 27 by David Von Pein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Gallaway Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 Since we're talking about Trump dancing. I agree with Bill Maher's interpretation! Bring on Lindsey Graham! Come on , it's just a joke! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph McBride Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 What a strange conception of our job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Bulman Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 17 hours ago, Karl Kinaski said: The JFK files are finally coming out, and Trump will release them “almost immediately upon entering office.” Rogan asked Trump why he never opened them up during his first term, and Trump responded that certain people “asked [him] not to do it.” “I can't tell you whether or not they're going to find anything of interest... But I was asked not to do it, and I thought that was a reasonable ask. But now I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it very soon,” Trump said. What is your job here Karl? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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