Kirk Gallaway Posted October 27 Posted October 27 (edited) All this conversation could have simply gone on over the phone. Why are we assuming Trump had physical contact with the files? Simply because he tells us so? Why couldn't he have made that up to convince us of his seriousness and then deferring the blame on others who very concerned that he not open them? Of course, he looks much more like he truly cared if he makes up a story that he physically had the files and forced the hand of those who then dissuaded him. Edited October 27 by Kirk Gallaway
Denny Zartman Posted October 27 Posted October 27 7 hours ago, Keven Hofeling said: Reasons for Withholding Full Release (01:08-01:41): He cited concerns about protecting individuals who are still alive Ruth Paine, y'all.
Benjamin Cole Posted October 27 Posted October 27 (edited) 7 hours ago, Robert Reeves said: It's very telling the particular areas that Trump has been briefed about that would be too sensitive to come to light. Trump mentioned addresses, and names, which I guess the CIA are fearing will be coming under great scrutiny when they fall into the lap of JFK researchers. These addresses and names will most likely join the key dots for research communities that have deeply studied niche events/areas of the assassination. Undoubtedly there will remain layers of deniability - for the mainstream media to parrot. RR-- Thanks for your on-topic and collegial comments. Yes! The JFKA research community has shown great tenacity and skill in working with primary documents and ferreting out organizational arrangements, the meaning of cryptonyms, likely associations, and so on. In addition there may be documents that place Joannides uncomfortably close to the orbit of LHO, or even reveal the whereabouts of E Howard Hunt on Nov. 22. But as I always say, we don't know what we don't know. Anyone who confidently says the documents will shed no light on the JFKA is engaging in hubris. My gut tells me there are bombshells in the JFK Records. Why? Explain why Biden and AG Merrick Garland would scale the zenith of fecklessness in the fabrication of the "Transparency Board" to illegally flummox law. And remember when Ed Lopez and Dan Hardway (HSCA) got close to the certain records...suddenly they get shut down by Joannides, lo those many years ago. Nothing in the records? Every time anyone outside the CIA gets close to the JFK records...something goes haywire. PS--- I am not a fan of "the CIA (or Deep State) killed a lot of witnesses." But what if an uncomfortable number of CIA records mentioned witnesses who later "died"? That is something Biden and Garland would be told had to be covered up. Edited October 27 by Benjamin Cole
Bill Fite Posted October 27 Posted October 27 9 hours ago, James DiEugenio said: If he wins its going to be hard for him to back out. Oh, I think a guy that's lied about everything all his life and committed frauds would have little trouble at all backing out.
Bill Fite Posted October 27 Posted October 27 4 hours ago, Kirk Gallaway said: And he opened them 50%, whatever that means, 🤣 Like Schrodinger's Cat, Kirk, it means the files may or may not have been opened. We won't know until we check the boxes, database folders or whatever container they were in whether they were opened or not.
W. Niederhut Posted October 27 Posted October 27 49 minutes ago, Bill Fite said: Oh, I think a guy that's lied about everything all his life and committed frauds would have little trouble at all backing out. Bill, One of Trump's biographers said, a few years ago, that Donald Trump has always gotten a peculiar thrill out of swindling people and getting away with it. In fact, we could accurately paraphrase Winston Churchill's famous quote about Russia by saying that, "Trump is a fraud, wrapped in a scam, inside of a swindle." And now the Orange Fraudster is on the brink of pulling off his biggest swindle ever -- getting re-elected to the presidency of a democracy that he tried to overthrow with an array of felonious dirty tricks.
Karl Kinaski Posted October 27 Posted October 27 7 hours ago, Robert Reeves said: I'm not into the whole UFO thing, not at all. But during this interview with Rogan I was sure I heard Trump say something like ''you mean the people who are coming from space?'' when Rogan brought the subject up. Kinda had me thinking ... what does he actually know about this subject. Well, Trump knows at least one of those "people". In the same interview Trump said: "Elon is from another planet."
Keven Hofeling Posted October 27 Author Posted October 27 (edited) On 10/27/2024 at 1:29 AM, Robert Reeves said: I'm not into the whole UFO thing, not at all. But during this interview with Rogan I was sure I heard Trump say something like ''you mean the people who are coming from space?'' when Rogan brought the subject up. Kinda had me thinking ... what does he actually know about this subject. Yes, right as Joe Rogan was asking Trump another question about the unreleased JFK records, Trump interjected "[t]here's a lot of interest in uh, the uh people coming from space, you know," and it instantly diverted Rogan from the subject of assassination records to the topic of UAVs. Rogan's intense interest in the subject of UAVs and extraterrestrial life is well known, and it made me wonder if someone much more knowledgeable than Trump had briefed him to bring up extraterrestrials to deflect the interview if Rogan encroached into an area of inquiry Trump did not wish to entertain. It really was a brilliant move -- far too incisive for Trump to have devised on his own -- which, you can see in the following transcript of the interview, excited Joe Rogan to the extent that Rogan seemed to be interviewing himself until Trump again changed the subject to his 2024 presidential campaign talking points. Rogan was clearly out of his depth interviewing Trump, but I think it was because Trump was well advised rather than because of any stroke of genius on his part. Just as I was unimpressed with Trump's knowledge about the unreleased JFK records, and his knowledge of the CIA's rationale for advising him not to release them, I was thoroughly unimpressed with Trump's expressed understanding of the UAV issue. He is, in my view, essentially an empty shell with the talents of a car salesman... __________ TRANSCRIPT: TRUMP: (00:00) There's a lot of interest in uh, the uh people coming from space, you know... ROGAN: Yes! TRUMP: ...and I know you're interested in... ROGAN: Oh I'm very interested in that, how much did they tell you about that? TRUMP: A lot. ROGAN: Really? TRUMP: Yeah. ROGAN: What'd they tell you? How much can you tell? TRUMP: So I... ROGAN: How's that work? Is it like super top secret? TRUMP: Tell you, know, well based on Hunter Biden, I can say whatever the hell I want right... ROGAN: Tell me! TRUMP: ...but no, but I interviewed a few people. It's never been my thing, I have to be honest, I I have never been a Believer, I have people that (00:26), area 51 or whatever it is. I think it's the number one tourist attraction in the whole country or something. Area 51, you know that right? ROGAN: Sure, I know what it is. TRUMP: So anyway, but it's a big tourist thing. So I interviewed jet Pilots that say they saw something, if you saw them you'd love to have a... ROGAN: I've had a couple in here. Commander David Fraver, I had him in, who had that sighting in 2004. Very, very compelling, with visual, video evidence, radar evidence, Ryan Graves TRUMP: I don't believe his name, but I interviewed jet Pilots, that (01:04) uh, were solid people, the perfect, I mean great Pilots, great everything, and they said "we saw things sir, that were were very strange," like a round ball, but it wasn't a comet or a meteor, it was something, and it was going four times faster than an F22, which is a very fast plane, you know, and it was round um, which is, in theory, a great shape. ROGAN: So when you were talking to these people was, was this something that you were compelled to have conversations about? Was this your personal interest? TRUMP: A little bit, it, it's not a great interest for me, but (01:41) it's a little interest. I get that question as much as almost any question, "do you think that we have aliens coming," you know, flying around, or whatever. ROGAN: So what do you think? TRUMP: There's no reason not to, I mean there's no reason not to think that Mars and all these planets don't have life, you know, because... ROGAN: Well Mars, we've had probes there, and Rovers, and I don't think there's any life there. TRUMP: Well maybe it's life that we don't know, but maybe... ROGAN: Well maybe there was life there at one point in time. This is the speculation about Mars, (02:08) that Mars had an atmosphere at one point in time, a long time ago, that could support life. It also, also had large bodies of water, but we've had no evidence of even bacterial life that exists on Mars, but the universe is pretty vast... TRUMP: ...big thing for me, I mean, when I looked at what China did to this, they would have never done it with me, where they put the balloon up, and a lot of people thought, and a lot of people thought for a little while that that was one of these things... ROGAN: Well that's a lot of the speculation too, that some of these (02:34) drones that hover over battleships, that these are Chinese drones and that they're not UFOs... TRUMP: They could be also... ROGAN: There's some super sophisticated... TRUMP: But I did interview a, let's say three or four guys that, and without tremendous interest, if you had them, as I said, you'd love to have them as your children, solid beautiful people, they said "sir, there's something there," you know they, there's something, they said it, yeah... ROGAN: Yeah I've talked to quite a few of them... TRUMP: They're not conspiracy guys... ROGAN: Well, I mean the, just the commander David (03:06) Fraver thing in 2004, off the coast of San Diego, they clocked that thing going from 50,000 feet above sea level to 50 in a second... TRUMP: Yeah... ROGAN: They don't know what it is... TRUMP: That's tough to beat... ROGAN: Yeah, they, they saw something in the water. It was hovering over that something that was making a disturbance in the water. They got video evidence of this thing. Two different fighter jets with pilots in them saw it, there's, you know, visual evidence, photographic evidence, video evidence, radar evidence, whatever the hell it is (03:33), it moves in a way that would turn a human being into Jello if you're inside of it. The G-force no one would survive, so like, what is that? And we don't, they, it doesn't have a heat signature, they don't know what their propulsion system was but... TRUMP: When you fly in some of these jets, these Pilots have to be in great shape... ROGAN: Oh yeah, I flew with the Blue Angels once... TRUMP: Yeah... ROGAN: I got to fly, I guess, that was a F/A-18... TRUMP: And those are older machines... ROGAN: And they're CRAZY! TRUMP: When you, when you fly in some of these things it's amazing... ROGAN: Yeah! TRUMP: But you got to (04:02) be special... ROGAN: But these things that these people are encountering are far superior to what we know of... TRUMP: Yeah... ROGAN: Is it possible that there's some military or government program that you weren't, that they didn't tell you about? TRUMP: I, I think I had a great relationship with the military basically, but I, you know, I didn't like certain people, I would have gotten them out if I thought, if I were, if the election was different, I would have fired, you know, all of them quickly, some, most of them I did fire. Timestamped summary: Trump expresses a mix of skepticism and mild curiosity about UFOs and unidentified aerial phenomena, while highlighting credible reports from experienced pilots and suggesting the existence of advanced technologies beyond conventional understanding. 00:00 Trump expresses skepticism about UFOs and Area 51, viewing it more as a tourist attraction than a serious topic. 00:38 Rogan points out that experienced jet pilots, including Commander David Fravor, reported compelling sightings of strange aerial phenomena with supporting video and radar evidence. 01:17 Trump discusses a mysterious fast-moving object, expressing mild interest in the topic of unidentified aerial phenomena. 01:47 Trump speculates on the possibility of extraterrestrial life and discusses recent drone sightings, indicating some initially thought they were UFOs rather than Chinese balloons. 02:39 Some credible individuals claim to have encountered extraordinary phenomena, suggesting there's more to explore beyond conventional beliefs. 03:07 Rogan indicates that a mysterious object off San Diego was recorded rapidly descending from 50,000 feet to 50 feet, exhibiting extraordinary movement that would be lethal to a human inside, supported by multiple forms of evidence. 03:36 Unidentified aerial vehicles lack heat signatures and their propulsion systems remain a mystery. ️03:44 Trump discusses the superiority of unidentified aerial phenomena compared to known military jets but doesn't provide a clear answer to Rogan's question about undisclosed government programs. Edited October 28 by Keven Hofeling
Nick Bartetzko Posted October 28 Posted October 28 Well, I saw the interview and at least Rogan brought up the JFK files. I was a bit disappointed with Trump's response, but at least it was briefly discussed. Whether it would be Trump, Biden or Harris as POTUS, what President would have time to go through the files and realize what could be significant or not. One would have to rely on advisors for that information. I appreciated Trump appearing for the interview. And yes, I saw the Harris interview with Bret Baird and will withhold comment on that one....
Benjamin Cole Posted October 28 Posted October 28 28 minutes ago, Nick Bartetzko said: Well, I saw the interview and at least Rogan brought up the JFK files. I was a bit disappointed with Trump's response, but at least it was briefly discussed. Whether it would be Trump, Biden or Harris as POTUS, what President would have time to go through the files and realize what could be significant or not. One would have to rely on advisors for that information. I appreciated Trump appearing for the interview. And yes, I saw the Harris interview with Bret Baird and will withhold comment on that one.... Verily. When I was a handicapper, looking a cheap claiming race, there were times I concluded, "Not one of these horses can win the race, or even outrun the glue factory "
Matt Allison Posted October 28 Posted October 28 15 hours ago, Bill Fite said: Oh, I think a guy that's lied about everything all his life and committed frauds would have little trouble at all backing out. Trump is an equal-opportunity conman, and didn't want JFK researchers to feel left out...
Ron Bulman Posted October 28 Posted October 28 8 hours ago, Keven Hofeling said: Our local Burger King is for sale. My favorite ff burger once upon a time as they are charbroiled. Which causes carcinogens to rain down on them while being cooked.
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