Thomas Graves Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 (edited) On 5/15/2017 at 10:55 AM, Thomas Graves said: On March 2, 2005, Tim Gratz posted: " [...] Angleton's concern that the Soviets had "moles" in high stations in the U.S. intelligence community was probably correct even if he was unsuccessful in locating them. The "reforms" of the [1975] Church Committee and the CIA itself following the revelations of the CIA abuses decimated Angleton's counter-intelligence operations with tragic results. Several CIA "assets" lost their lives as a result of the betrayals of Aldrich Ames. A. J. Weberman states on his website that had the Angleton operation been in operation, Ames would have been discovered before he had wreaked all of his damage. [...] " I agree, Tim. Interested readers should google the 35-page (2015) PDF "Ghosts Of Spy Wars" by Tennent H. Bagley, or better yet, google his free-to-read 2007 book "Spy Wars - Moles, Mysteries, and Deadly Games" In the latter, Bagley (who was the first CIA officer to interview Nosenko in Geneva in May, 1962) insists that Nosenko’s contact with CIA at that time was designed to conceal the presence of Soviet penetration agents and U.S. "moles" who, operating in US intelligence since at least the late 1930s (George de Mohrenschildt comes to mind; Edward Ellis Smith starting in 1957), and that Nosenko's "defection" to the U.S. in January 1964 was a risky-for-the-KGB change in that concealment operation to include a denunciation of the idea that KGB would have at least interviewed Oswald during the 2.5 years he lived in the U.S.S.R. Bagley challenges those who believe Nosenko was a genuine defector to answer 30 (iirc) questions about the Nosenko v. Golistyn "case," claiming that a “no” to any one of them would be enough to discredit Nosenko and to substantiate Angleton’s view that the the former was dispatched (i.e., fake) defector. Shall I list the questions here or would ya'all rather read the book and the follow-up PDF? ...crickets ... -- Tommy Edited and Bumped Edited February 22, 2018 by Thomas Graves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Graves Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 (edited) On 5/17/2017 at 12:20 PM, Thomas Graves said: Attempted bump after major edit. (See above) Edited February 17, 2018 by Thomas Graves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douglas Caddy Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 New video on Angleton: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Andrews Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 (edited) Interested readers should google the 35-page (2015) PDF "Ghosts Of Spy Wars" by Tennent H. Bagley, or better yet, google his free-to-read 2007 book "Spy Wars - Moles, Mysteries, and Deadly Games" I have the article download. Can you steer us to the link for the free book? Edited February 22, 2018 by David Andrews Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Josephs Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 16 minutes ago, David Andrews said: Interested readers should google the 35-page (2015) PDF "Ghosts Of Spy Wars" by Tennent H. Bagley, or better yet, google his free-to-read 2007 book "Spy Wars - Moles, Mysteries, and Deadly Games" I have the article download. Can you steer us to the link for the free book? https://archive.org/details/SpyWarsMolesMysteriesAndDeadlyGames http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/08850607.2014.962362?needAccess=true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Andrews Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Graves Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 (edited) On 2/22/2018 at 1:52 PM, David Andrews said: Thank you. David, You're welcome. -- Tommy PS (It's almost certain that Josephs found the link on one of the several other threads I've posted it on.) Edited March 4, 2018 by Thomas Graves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Josephs Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 16 minutes ago, Thomas Graves said: David, You're welcome. -- Tommy PS (It's almost certain that josephs found the link on one of the several other threads I've posted it on.) No Tommy I didn't cause you don't post links or evidence very often... I searched for it like everything else I find... get over yourself already as you're transitioning from cute and witty to desperate and annoying... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Graves Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 (edited) 22 minutes ago, David Josephs said: No Tommy I didn't cause you don't post links or evidence very often... I searched for it like everything else I find... get over yourself already as you're transitioning from cute and witty to desperate and annoying... Good on you, David. You must be very proud of yourself. The fact remains, however, that I have posted that link on this forum in the past. Too bad you missed it! Regardless, thanks for helping to spread the word about it! (Although I must say that I feel incredibly "dirty" and "compromised" now. LOL) -- Tommy Edited February 22, 2018 by Thomas Graves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Josephs Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 You're welcome... Hopefully now it's worth the read... I'll let you know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Graves Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 (edited) 34 minutes ago, David Josephs said: ..... 34 minutes ago, David Josephs said: ..... Hopefully now it's worth the read... I'll let you know David, With all due respect (which ain't much), what makes you think anyone cares about your opinion, least of all me? -- Tommy Edited February 22, 2018 by Thomas Graves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Josephs Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 Oh Tommy... your inferiority complex is showing signs of expansion... e.g. you bump the thread yet you had zero to add or offer.... as usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Graves Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 (edited) On 2/22/2018 at 3:46 PM, David Josephs said: Oh Tommy... your inferiority complex is showing signs of expansion... e.g. you bump the thread yet you had zero to add or offer.... as usual. ....... Keep it up, Josephs, and maybe, just maybe you can get your you-know-what kicked off the forum, again! Edited March 4, 2018 by Thomas Graves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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